Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Nighting4l33yes]

What are you talking abt i didnt know the xienzhou was a universe they’re obviously just giant ships that fly through the hsr universe if you wanna say they’re planetary in size idm but the xienzhou doesnt have its own imaginary barrier let alone its own universe blocking it, its a ship

are you alr? each world we've visited is their own "universe"/leaf. they are seperated by the barriers.

This is a misconception with imaginary spaces. THE imaginary space is the membrane of the imaginary tree (the Hi3 one specifically) and other imaginary spaces are their own thing. The imaginary spaces between worlds would just be bound to the 4D real space and not sharing the same properties as THE imaginary space

what. the space between worlds is THE imaginary space.

 

[Ezalipaz]

if The Imaginary Barrier is the exact same as The Imaginary Space then there is 2 choice either 11D-12D Real Space so it can contain 11D structure like Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta or 3D-4D Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta with 11D statement being throw out the window, choose your own poison

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I do love me some 12D real space

 

[Mbpoops]

are you alr? each world we've visited is their own "universe"/leaf. they are seperated by the barriers.

The hi3 solar system is a universe… sure i guess

what. the space between worlds is THE imaginary space.

Ur just repeating urself

 

[Mbpoops]

if The Imaginary Barrier is the exact same as The Imaginary Space then there is 2 choice either 11D-12D Real Space so it can contain 11D structure like Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta or 3D-4D Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta with 11D statement being throw out the window, choose your own poison

Im extremely tempted to do the latter if people keep arguing tree and sea = hsr universe. EXTREMELY

 

[Mbpoops]

Where is this from

Honkai star rail

 

[Ezalipaz]

gotta love me some everyone is H1-C now cuz their power at the core is Imaginary Energy

 

[Mbpoops]

If you cant see me its not your fault, im just an 11D human on the imaginary tree

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

The hi3 solar system is a universe… sure i guess

its a leaf. this is the entire reasoning behind expies

if The Imaginary Barrier is the exact same as The Imaginary Space then there is 2 choice either 11D-12D Real Space so it can contain 11D structure like Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta or 3D-4D Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta with 11D statement being throw out the window, choose your own poison

and why can it not just be a seperate metaphysical plane that doesn't affect the "box within a box" concept?

how is it possible that this is the only hoyoverse community/forum where the most basic cosmological concepts are still being argued? lol

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Snip.

Can you provide proof / statements for all of this?
What you're saying
Is basically
"Tree and sea exist in the 4D universe!!"
When it's EXPLICITLY not the case.
Not too mention, let's ignore the blatant contradictions you need to make what you're saying work
"The space between worlds is a imaginary space" well actually no .

^ this debunks your whole narrative. No those little spaces can't be imaginary space, sure imaginary space can exist but until Hoyo takes note for it in HSR , were not headcanoning that HI3 works the same way HSR works when we know those two games contradict eachother:

Also

If this is beta or still in the game (idk) then it's actually pretty hilarious how terrible the writing in HSR can be

 

[Voidnether]

gotta love me some everyone is H1-C now cuz their power at the core is Imaginary Energy

Where was this complaining when it's 1-A verses

 

[Mbpoops]

its a leaf. this is the entire reasoning behind expies

Yea its a leaf but its not a universe just a solar system not all leaves are universes

and why can it not just be a seperate metaphysical plane that doesn't affect the "box within a box" concept?

Is that not what we’re saying? The only metaphysical planes are the tree, sea, pathspace (prolly an imaginary space) and other lesser imaginary spaces NONE OF THESE are apart of reality they are high dimensional planes just some are higher than others

how is it possible that this is the only hoyoverse community/forum where the most basic cosmological concepts are still being argued? lol

Blame welt

 

[Mbpoops]

Where was this complaining when it's 1-A verses

Because 1-A is completely different from dimensional tiers? 1-A is qualitive so anything of the same quality as 1-A will be 1-A?

 

[Voidnether]

how is it possible that this is the only hoyoverse community/forum where the most basic cosmological concepts are still being argued? lol

Mfs debating the most semantic shit per usual when HSR is explicitly the after-events of HI3 with Welt, Void Archives and Vita acknowledged in HSR and that HSR is just basically Welt after he left the leaf world of HI3

 

[Mbpoops]

Mfs debating the most semantic shit per usual when HSR is explicitly the after-events of HI3 with Welt, Void Archives and Vita acknowledged in HSR and that HSR is just basically Welt after he left the leaf world of HI3

Ok..? Thanks for explaining the timeline?

 

[Voidnether]

Because 1-A is completely different from dimensional tiers? 1-A is qualitive so anything of the same quality as 1-A will be 1-A?

You do know 1-A is way worse, correct? You can't have a qualitative powersource and have that quantitative structure be capable of containing said qualitative powersource in which this happens with a LOT of 1-A verses but no one cares to even acknowledge them

 

[Ezalipaz]

and why can it not just be a seperate metaphysical plane that doesn't affect the "box within a box" concept?

how is it possible that this is the only hoyoverse community/forum where the most basic cosmological concepts are still being argued? lol

there also the fact that Imaginary Barrier is possible to traverse the HSR data bank itself said that it nigh impossible to traverse not impossible to traverse, we also know that in HI3 there is multiple being from various time period that came from outside of HI3 leaf where Star Rail does not exist 1.Senadina and her gang coming to Mar 2.Kalpas crash on Earth 3.Sky People coming to Earth, so i don't really know how is it going the be the same when it possible to traverse Imaginary Barrier unless you want to argue that somehow Kalpas spaceship can traverse 11D Plane

 

[PedjaTarzan]

if The Imaginary Barrier is the exact same as The Imaginary Space then there is 2 choice either 11D-12D Real Space so it can contain 11D structure like Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta or 3D-4D Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta with 11D statement being throw out the window, choose your own poison

or img barrier is just a img tidal zone that separates leaf worlds and its in real space so it cannot be 11D

 

[Mbpoops]

You do know 1-A is way worse, correct? You can't have a qualitative powersource and have that quantitative structure be capable of containing said qualitative powersource in which this happens with a LOT of 1-A verses but no one cares to even acknowledge them

What the hell are you talking about

 

[Mbpoops]

or img barrier is just a img tidal zone that separates leaf worlds and its in real space so it cannot be 11D

Id agree with you bjt everyone seems to think that anything with the word imaginary = 11D sooooo nuke the verse

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Id agree with you bjt everyone seems to think that anything with the word imaginary = 11D sooooo nuke the verse

UES=11D pile of energy located in outer space

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Id agree with you bjt everyone seems to think that anything with the word imaginary = 11D sooooo nuke the verse

Lmao.
11D irl humans atp

 

[SuperNova55555]

how is it possible that this is the only hoyoverse community/forum where the most basic cosmological concepts are still being argued? lol

This just isn't true. It's just that most forums don't actually look into the specifics are realize how awfully convoluted everything is

 

[Ezalipaz]

Where was this complaining when it's 1-A verses

how am i suppose to know when i start paying some attention to VSBW the verse already sit at 1-B i think, not like I'm that knowledgeable about tier 1 stuff anyway

 

[Mbpoops]

This just isn't true. It's just that most forums don't actually look into the specifics are realize how awfully convoluted everything is

Nah bro the xienzhou is a universe

 

[Voidnether]

What the hell are you talking about

Exactly, you don't even understand all this shit and you were the one talking trash anyway

If we are THIS restrictive to quantitative based stuff, we should also be restrictive to Marvel's magic that's 1-A in potency but somehow is able to be contained and exist within structures below 1-A, heck LOTM is the most clear case out of this with how the Astral Plane is 1-A and they still have 3-C keys for destroying galaxies with 1-A powersource like do you not realize how asinine this is

The fact you need a qualitative powersource to be capable of destroying quantitative matter, and still HAVE THE REST OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE INTACT EXCEPT THOSE GALAXIES is an antifeat because logically the entirety of the physical planes SHOULD BE DESTROYED

 

[SuperNova55555]

heck LOTM is the most clear case out of this with how the Astral Plane is 1-A and they still have 3-C keys for destroying galaxies with 1-A powersource like do you not realize how asinine this is

Funny you mention that

 

[Mbpoops]

Exactly, you don't even understand all this shit and you were the one talking trash anyway

Half the shit you argue doesnt even make sense like please read your arguments before posting them because you bring up 3 different points every paragraph you type it just looks like word salad im just asking you to clarify

If we are THIS restrictive to quantitative based stuff, we should also be restrictive to Marvel's magic that's 1-A in potency but somehow is able to be contained and exist within structures below 1-A, heck LOTM is the most clear case out of this with how the Astral Plane is 1-A and they still have 3-C keys for destroying galaxies with 1-A powersource like do you not realize how asinine this is

The fact you need a qualitative powersource to be capable of destroying quantitative matter, and still HAVE THE REST OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE INTACT EXCEPT THOSE GALAXIES is an antifeat because logically the entirety of the physical planes SHOULD BE DESTROYED

Im not caught up on LOTM yet so i cant comment on these but having a 1-A power source ≠ having 1-A ap/dc

 

[Voidnether]

Funny you mention that

Ngl you should tell @Mbpoops to stop larping about the standards sometimes, he already got a warning for trying to nuke IX's ability being passive despite knowing the actual IX doesn't have any feats other than itself scaling to their shadows feat and the simulated universe lol

 

[Mbpoops]

Ngl you should tell @Mbpoops to stop larping about the standards sometimes, he already got a warning for trying to nuke IX's ability being passive despite knowing the actual IX doesn't have any feats other than itself scaling to their shadows feat and the simulated universe lol

I never got warned lol

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ngl you should tell @Mbpoops to stop larping about the standards sometimes, he already got a warning for trying to nuke IX's ability being passive despite knowing the actual IX doesn't have any feats other than itself scaling to their shadows feat and the simulated universe lol

What warning bro

 

[Mbpoops]

Because i would definetly get a warning for pointing out why i dont believe IX shadows = IX sure bro

 

[Mbpoops]

Because i would definetly get a warning for pointing out why i dont believe IX shadows = IX sure bro

Also i didnt try to nuke them being passive??? I just dont like how IX’s shadows have them especially at full capacity since 3 mfs were able to casually resist it and they arent even self annihilators it should only be kn the real IX imo

 

[Voidnether]

Half the shit you argue doesnt even make sense like please read your arguments before posting them because you bring up 3 different points every paragraph you type it just looks like word salad im just asking you to clarify

"Word salad" This is actually nothing more than your reading comprehension being terrible bro

Im not caught up on LOTM yet so i cant comment on these but having a 1-A power source ≠ having 1-A ap/dc

What? THIS ONLY WORKS FOR SPECIFIC VERSES LIKE THE VERSE YAKAGI SUIMEI WAS BASED ON, this doesn't HAPPEN on a general basis and I'm sure you wouldn't know why specifically is not the case for verses like those the same way that you were unable to explain SMT's terminologies on Discord

If you don't know shit then just don't say anything, especially saying half the shit I said doesn't make sense, well YEAH because YOU WERE LARPING IT ALL THE TIME. You larped HSR with how you tried to nuke IX's ability being passive because it "contradicts" the narrative then says stupid shit like "why isn't Annihilation Gang capable of finding the real IX" despite knowing this would contradict the entire Acheron narrative on Penacony, you larped about the standards on why quantitative based stuff is "apparently" more RESTRICTIVE than qualitative based stuff. Saying how HI3 and HSR is way worse than SMT and Persona despite Persona barely acknowledging SMT's terminology in the slightest plus I love how you were unable to explain the all the terminologies they used for the Devil Survivor series. Like you know HI3 and HSR's connections are more linear because HSR is explicitly the after-events of what happened after HI3, like it should be obvious that the Persona series especially Persona 4 & 5 barely had any correlations with SMT and if Persona 2 were deemed unusable for scaling because this is the only Persona series that had the strongest ties with SMT. Literally no one in Persona would even remotely scale to SMT, just stop bro

 

[Voidnether]

Also i didnt try to nuke them being passive??? I just dont like how IX’s shadows have them especially at full capacity since 3 mfs were able to casually resist it and they arent even self annihilators it should only be kn the real IX imo

??? You do know the real IX has their abilities derived from the Shadow of IX? IX would have NOTHING if it doesn't scale to them and ESPECIALLY if it doesn't scale to its simulated universe version

THE ACTUAL IX IS FEATLESS OTHER THAN NIHILITY BEING THE ANTITHESIS OF REALITY LMFAO

 

[SuperNova55555]

I'm amazed at Nether's ability to just completely derail into random incomprehensible tangents

 

[Mbpoops]

"Word salad" This is actually nothing more than your reading comprehension being terrible bro

What? THIS ONLY WORKS FOR SPECIFIC VERSES LIKE THE VERSE YAKAGI SUIMEI WAS BASED ON, this doesn't HAPPEN on a general basis and I'm sure you wouldn't know why specifically is not the case for verses like those the same way that you were unable to explain SMT's terminologies on Discord

I said i never played SMT i only Played persona 3 aigis 4 golden UAM and 5 royal strikers and tactica why would i need to explain SMT when the games i play dont mention SMT structures outside of references?

If you don't know shit then just don't say anything, especially saying half the shit I said doesn't make sense, well YEAH because YOU WERE LARPING IT ALL THE TIME. You larped HSR with how you tried to nuke IX's ability being passive because it "contradicts" the narrative then says stupid shit like "why isn't Annihilation Gang capable of finding the real IX"

Never said this either. I said they were looking for the real IX so why would they be looking for a shadow? You can go back and read the argument it was a page or 2 back

despite knowing this would contradict the entire Acheron narrative on Penacony, you larped about the standards on why quantitative based stuff is "apparently" more RESTRICTIVE than qualitative based stuff. Saying how HI3 and HSR is way worse than SMT and Persona despite Persona barely acknowledging SMT's terminology in the slightest plus I love how you were unable to explain the all the terminologies they used for the Devil Survivor series. Like you know HI3 and HSR's connections are more linear because HSR is explicitly the after-events of what happened after HI3, like it should be obvious that the Persona series especially Persona 4 & 5 barely had any correlations with SMT and if Persona 2 were deemed unusable for scaling because this is the only Persona series that had the strongest ties with SMT. Literally no one in Persona would even remotely scale to SMT, just stop bro

Misinformation lmao i was saying persona was easier to digest than amphoreus, didnt even mention hi3 just amphoreus because shaoji started larping neoplatonism and someone who doesnt understand that like myself would have a hard time digesting it especially when it wasnt touched till the last patch. Persona focus’ on its themes throughout the entire story so its easier to digest than amphoreus

 

[Mbpoops]

??? You do know the real IX has their abilities derived from the Shadow of IX? IX would have NOTHING if it doesn't scale to them and ESPECIALLY if it doesn't scale to its simulated universe version

THE ACTUAL IX IS FEATLESS OTHER THAN NIHILITY BEING THE ANTITHESIS OF REALITY LMFAO

Icba to look at IX’s profile rn are all of his hax actually from shadows lmao

 

[Mbpoops]

I said i never played SMT i only Played persona 3 aigis 4 golden UAM and 5 royal strikers and tactica why would i need to explain SMT when the games i play dont mention SMT structures outside of references?

Never said this either. I said they were looking for the real IX so why would they be looking for a shadow? You can go back and read the argument it was a page or 2 back

Misinformation lmao i was saying persona was easier to digest than amphoreus, didnt even mention hi3 just amphoreus because shaoji started larping neoplatonism and someone who doesnt understand that like myself would have a hard time digesting it especially when it wasnt touched till the last patch. Persona focus’ on its themes throughout the entire story so its easier to digest than amphoreus

YOU were the one who started asking me to explain SMT stuff even though i said i never played SMT i should play them lowkey but my ps5 is at another house and icba to drive there

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Yea its a leaf but its not a universe just a solar system not all leaves are universes

thats why i used the word world as a synonym. the word universe was meant to imply that its isolated from other worlds

^ this debunks your whole narrative

how exactly?

Is that not what we’re saying? The only metaphysical planes are the tree, sea, pathspace (prolly an imaginary space) and other lesser imaginary spaces NONE OF THESE are apart of reality they are high dimensional planes just some are higher than others

i didnt disagree with that though and saying that img space can exist between the worlds does not have to change anything regarding IT's structure or dimensionality. its just a different layer of reality intertwined with the tree