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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

You think the Simulated Universe Aeons are the actual ones when it's just their manifestations?
Simulated Universe is literally meant to simulate the Aeons, does this mean the Aeons in the Simulated Universe are the actual ones when it's EXPLICITLY their manifestations? Literally "simulated Aeons"

These scans prove nothing im not even sure what you were trying to prove with them. Im saying that the simulated universe is supposed to reflect the actual aeons and not just their manifestations (example: IX shadows)
I actually don't know how one could think that the Simulated Universe Aeons are the actual ones, we give Resistance to mfs being in the Horizon of Existence because functionally IX on Simulated Universe and the Shadow of IX are the same shit that are thousands of IX's manifestations. The actual IX is literally chainscaled OFF their MANIFESTATIONS / Avatar or whatever
i never said they were the actual aeon bruh they are just simulated versions of the ACTUAL AEON which has nothing to do with simple manifestations like IX shadows
Or you can do me a favor at this point and just give the actual IX acausality type 5 to differentiate it from the rest, just because no Aeons are capable of interacting with the actual IX
youd need more proof for that. Unironically highschooler kevin has more proof then IX
 
yo what? the tree does not refer to real space alone. the tree includes the imaginary space between worlds where nihility is also everpresent. and yes... the imaginary is part of reality as in, it exists. the tree is also called tree of existence. idk what u are trying to say.
 
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These scans prove nothing im not even sure what you were trying to prove with them. Im saying that the simulated universe is supposed to reflect the actual aeons and not just their manifestations (example: IX shadows)

i never said they were the actual aeon bruh they are just simulated versions of the ACTUAL AEON which has nothing to do with simple manifestations like IX shadows

youd need more proof for that. Unironically highschooler kevin has more proof then IX
I'm glad you realized what you said in the bolded text, UNIRONICALLY all of IX's abilities come from their manifestations whether it be their Simulated Universe or Shadow of IX, it's stated that Self-Annihilators's corporeal body, mental cognition, and personal memories are dissolved as stated on the databank which is already NEP1 and this includes their soul & information

If the actual IX doesn't interact with other Aeons in the loading screen, do you actually think those Annihilation Gang found the actual IX? They only found their shadows, the reason why Device IX was searched upon by almost EVERYONE is because it reveals the location for the actual IX themselves. IX is literally featless other than Nihility being the antithesis to reality which includes Imaginary Space on the profiles APPARENTLY, IX's abilities are scaled from their manifestations
 
Oh yeah right Nova just nuked IX being the opposite of Imaginary Space on the justifications even if the CRT is only meant to remove NEP2, man how awesome
 
Because unless you wanna prove IX is the whole SoQ (or something else being the exact opposite from Imaginary Space) then it's unsubstantiated and should've been removed.
I'm saying it needs a CRT because the NEP2 thread doesn't involve this at all, which falls under vandalism anyway and this is how the wiki works since we don't wanna risk another Solaris 2.0 where that guy thinks he's the most knowledgeable person on HI3 so he ****** over the entire Honkai Energy pages
 
the tree does not refer to real space alone.
In HSR, it does.

the tree includes the imaginary space between worlds
That it includes them, is there proof?

where nihility is also everpresent.
Proof?

And also, clarify what you mean by "presence". The topic here is that Nihility is the opposite of Imaginary Space, not that it exists within it.
the imaginary is part of reality as in, it exists.
Hoyoverse does not use reality as such. Colloquially it's just Real (ordered) Space. You can have your qualms about the strict definition of it, but it genuinely never has referred to Imaginary Space, only Real Space.

the tree is also called tree of existence.
Because it is Reality. I.e Real Space.

Honestly, your whole point is just a bunch of unsubstantiated denial. You have the series go out of it's way to clarify what "Reality" strictly refers to (it did it even in 3.7. Yes, it explicitly used "Reality" as a word in CN and Real Space-Time in EN), have it tell you that IX is opposite only to Reality, and go one step further and specify literal constituents of Reality like Order and Matter and you'll still make up headcanons. Sigh.
 
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Oh yeah right Nova just nuked IX being the opposite of Imaginary Space on the justifications even if the CRT is only meant to remove NEP2, man how awesome
I nuked Imaginary Space because it no longer adds anything to the abilities' proof. It was only in NEP2 justification because it used to be NEP1 and acted as supporting proof. You have IX be the opposite of both SoQ and IT elsewhere in the profile. That remained unchanged.
 
I nuked Imaginary Space because it no longer adds anything to the abilities' proof. It was only in NEP2 justification because it used to be NEP1 and acted as supporting proof. You have IX be the opposite of both SoQ and IT elsewhere in the profile. That remained unchanged.
Just make it transparent next time about what you're going to add, what you're going to remove, etc
 
I'm glad you realized what you said in the bolded text, UNIRONICALLY all of IX's abilities come from their manifestations whether it be their Simulated Universe or Shadow of IX, it's stated that Self-Annihilators's corporeal body, mental cognition, and personal memories are dissolved as stated on the databank which is already NEP1 and this includes their soul & information
Huh?
If the actual IX doesn't interact with other Aeons in the loading screen, do you actually think those Annihilation Gang found the actual IX? They only found their shadows, the reason why Device IX was searched upon by almost EVERYONE is because it reveals the location for the actual IX themselves. IX is literally featless other than Nihility being the antithesis to reality which includes Imaginary Space on the profiles APPARENTLY, IX's abilities are scaled from their manifestations
Why wouldnt i assume that? Their goal was to be the first to kill an aeon why go after a manifestation? Acheron literally destroys IX manifestations casually so obviously they would target the real IX
 
Huh?

Why wouldnt i assume that? Their goal was to be the first to kill an aeon why go after a manifestation? Acheron literally destroys IX manifestations casually so obviously they would target the real IX
They only found their shadows, the reason why Device IX was searched upon by almost EVERYONE is because it reveals the location for the actual IX themselves
Scoops did you skip the entire plot point of why Acheron is in Penacony that Acheron pretended to be a galaxy ranger because some mf was drunk on a bar saying they know where Device IX is?
 
Scoops did you skip the entire plot point of why Acheron is in Penacony that Acheron pretended to be a galaxy ranger because some mf was drunk on a bar saying they know where Device IX is?
What does this have to do with anything i said
 
So why do you think a random Annihilation Gang thats below Ifrit is capable of finding the actual IX instead of their manifestations?
I mean why not? Its never explained where aeons actually exist they kinda just come and go from pathspace like anyone else idk whats stopping them from finding the actual IX
 
I mean why not? Its never explained where aeons actually exist they kinda just come and go from pathspace like anyone else idk whats stopping them from finding the actual IX
Because it goes against the entire Device IX narrative that everyone is obsessed with it because the device reveals where the actual IX is
 
are you asking for proof that the imaginary space specifically said to exist between worlds that exist within the tree, is part of the tree?
Is Imaginary Space within the Tree like the worlds are? I'm prettyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy sure they're supposed to be the thing outside of them.
 
Is Imaginary Space within the Tree like the worlds are? I'm prettyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy sure they're supposed to be the thing outside of them.
insert the log of the tree image again cuz what? the imaginary space is the "empty" distance between each leaf/world within the tree. it's literally part of the tree. its in the name. what?
 
are you asking for proof that the imaginary space specifically said to exist between worlds that exist within the tree, is part of the tree?
The space between the galaxies in hsr? I think youd need more proof they are above 4D (3 space + N + 1 time) and more proof that space works like THE imaginary space because not all imaginary spaces function the same (elysian realm ≠ theatre of domination, theatre of domination ≠ membrane of the tree)
 
there's a reason there wasnt interstellar travel before the star rail was established cuz ppl couldnt pass through the imaginary barriers??? except for emanators?
 
The space between the galaxies in hsr? I think youd need more proof they are above 4D (3 space + N + 1 time) and more proof that space works like THE imaginary space because not all imaginary spaces function the same (elysian realm ≠ theatre of domination, theatre of domination ≠ membrane of the tree)
The xienshou flies through that space all the time so like it cant be the same as THE IS
 
The xienshou flies through that space all the time so like it cant be the same as THE IS
it flies in the space of its own world/universe. not across the entire tree. if this werent the case, literally why would the world have a need for the star rail? and why are we and other spaceships warping?
So what? The worlds are seperated by imaginary barriers.. what does that prove?
that the space between them is the imaginary space...?
 
it flies in the space of its own world/universe. not across the entire tree. if this werent the case, literally why would the world have a need for the star rail? and why are we and other spaceships warping?
What are you talking abt 😭 i didnt know the xienzhou was a universe 😭😭 they’re obviously just giant ships that fly through the hsr universe if you wanna say they’re planetary in size idm but the xienzhou doesnt have its own imaginary barrier let alone its own universe blocking it, its a ship
that the space between them is the imaginary space...?
This is a misconception with imaginary spaces. THE imaginary space is the membrane of the imaginary tree (the Hi3 one specifically) and other imaginary spaces are their own thing. The imaginary spaces between worlds would just be bound to the 4D real space and not sharing the same properties as THE imaginary space
 
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