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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Jackof_noTrades068 said:
For the clash Welt has vs Zephyro and Welt being the last man standing against the guy (he’s still inferior).
You don’t see no “Permansor Terrae” or “Evernight” fighting Zephyro

Varies cause Singularity Rebuild and Zeroth Power are much stronger than the random little energy blasts star of Eden can fire.
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Tbf we could just sum up singularity rebuild to range and gravity/dimensional manip potency
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
For the clash Welt has vs Zephyro and Welt being the last man standing against the guy (he’s still inferior).
You don’t see no “Permansor Terrae” or “Evernight” fighting Zephyro

Varies cause Singularity Rebuild and Zeroth Power are much stronger than the random little energy blasts star of Eden can fire.
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the "varies" rating is only given to characters with canon explanations for why their stats fluctuate, welt is just inconsistent
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
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Well there isn’t any Imbibitor Lunae there either but he got booted out of Phantylia downscaling land ig.

So is Zephyro and Welt’s clash taken as a unique reaction or being mostly Zephyro’s power then?
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It is most definitely Zephyro’s thing here. He does the same feat with IX.

And again. I’ll debate anyone who says Zephyro ~ Welt to death.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Evernight appears every time march is in danger it doesnt matter if its amphoreus or not
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She sure was consistent about holding this up 🤥 unless she precogged March getting saved by rando mfs the entire story

In any case, it doesn’t really matter since it’s an extremely vague scenario. Welt is mainly there due to themes and such
 
SuperNova55555 said:
She sure was consistent about holding this up 🤥 unless she precogged March getting saved by rando mfs the entire story

In any case, it doesn’t really matter since it’s an extremely vague scenario. Welt is mainly there due to themes and such
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I say 3-C with SoE is fine cus like its not explicit that one hole overpowered the other kafka says they devoured eachother
 
Mbpoops said:
Emanator > highest pathstrider feat or smthn idk
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Yes. But there are no 3-C Pathstriders after DHIL nuke.

Mbpoops said:
I say 3-C with SoE is fine cus like its not explicit that one hole overpowered the other kafka says they devoured eachother
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If I take a bite outta Oroboros’ tongue, are we technically “devouring each other”? We explicitly see Welt’s black hole get completely diffed. Like we see it get absorbed, and Zephyro’s white hole is what causes the explosion.

It genuinely does not scale
 
Mbpoops said:
I say 3-C with SoE is fine cus like its not explicit that one hole overpowered the other kafka says they devoured eachother
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Broskie that shit is an At Most
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SuperNova55555 said:
Also. Who would Evernight even scale to in order to be 3-C. Same thing with Lygus if there are no 3-C Pathstriders
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Evernight fighting a 3-C Dr Tomb?
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Yes. But there are no 3-C Pathstriders after DHIL nuke.


If I take a bite outta Oroboros’ tongue, are we technically “devouring each other”? We explicitly see Welt’s black hole get completely diffed. Like we see it get absorbed, and Zephyro’s white hole is what causes the explosion.

It genuinely does not scale
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its like zephyro can just rupture cosmos by himself when characters soloing cosmos are explicitly above emanator tier?
like you know that fulirene exceeded that tier as well as irontomb, unless u have the genuine proof zephyro alone scales above all emanators and is = irontomb and fulirene then this might even make sense
Instead u see the effect of two characters fighting each other causing the damage
Zephyro winning means hes just scaling higher than welt which is even implied on his profile
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Dude @Mbpoops spent like 2 entire days trying to explain to me with a straight face by arguing their black/white holes are merging by bringing up the color blue/purple/black without realizing those were literally all the colors of Zephyro’s white hole 😭
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I’m genuinely not sure why he’s so specifically hung up on Zephyro vs Welt, like my goat is NOT jobbing to a senile man
 
Wait whats the feat of AE trio hurting Irontomb. From what I can see the only cutscene is Cyrene’s group attack and then obv all of the amp stuff. Did I miss something?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
he just folded before he locked in and nuked cosmos
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Yea I’m really not sure of this ngl. I think Cyrene herself scaling is alright, but it seems sus. The only cutscene as I said is the Chrysos Heir combined attack or whatever, and obv this doesn’t include all of the outside influence as well. And when you have enough mfs, you can cross a scaling threshold without every particular mf scaling to it.

And this isn’t a narrative issue since Irontomb atp is stronger than most emanators
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Yea I’m really not sure of this ngl. I think Cyrene herself scaling is alright, but it seems sus. The only cutscene as I said is the Chrysos Heir combined attack or whatever, and obv this doesn’t include all of the outside influence as well. And when you have enough mfs, you can cross a scaling threshold without every particular mf scaling to it.

And this isn’t a narrative issue since Irontomb atp is stronger than most emanators
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Cyrene herself having direct scaling is fine the others would just have at most or even possibly scaling.
Now for Irontomb hes only above emanators after his path energy spikes and destroys cosmos since at that point only fulirene with GB could defeat irontomb
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Wait whats the feat of AE trio hurting Irontomb. From what I can see the only cutscene is Cyrene’s group attack and then obv all of the amp stuff. Did I miss something?
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They can fight and keep up with Irontomb. They aren’t getting one shotted. They aren’t portrayed as getting stomped like how a fake skarcabaz put ass to belt on Stelle in the span of 56 seconds. No one is portrayed as one carrying another like with the Phantylia group. No one is amped either because the buffing only starts in phase 3.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Cyrene herself having direct scaling is fine the others would just have at most or even possibly scaling.
Now for Irontomb hes only above emanators after his path energy spikes and destroys cosmos since at that point only fulirene with GB could defeat irontomb
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iirc correctly even baby Tomb is above most emanators since the statement actually talks about it being born. Unborn Tomb is js when it was a normal scepter

CastoriceTheFifth said:
They can fight and keep up with Irontomb. They aren’t getting one shotted. They aren’t portrayed as getting stomped like how a fake skarcabaz put ass to belt on Stelle in the span of 56 seconds. No one is portrayed as one carrying another like with the Phantylia group. No one is amped either because the buffing only starts in phase 3.
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But this is ignoring the fact that it’s the entire cosmos against it basically. It’s pretty implicit nobody directly scales to it. And they are actually being helped by Cyrene here a lot, since they seemed to need to combine all their attacks and stuff. I wonder how the wiki treats combined attacks like this tho, Im not sure on the ruling
 
SuperNova55555 said:
iirc correctly even baby Tomb is above most emanators since the statement actually talks about it being born. Unborn Tomb is js when it was a normal scepter
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as far as i know CN was talking about incomplete and complete irontomb as in just lord ravager irontomn and then irontomb upon coronation, which was prevented by herta hijacking nous first so what we were left with is just super amped irontomb that could one shot everyone except cyrene
 
PedjaTarzan said:
as far as i know CN was talking about incomplete and complete irontomb as in just lord ravager irontomn and then irontomb upon coronation, which was prevented by herta hijacking nous first so what we were left with is just super amped irontomb that could one shot everyone except cyrene
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Im prettyyyyy sure it was talking about the Scepter tho. It does say that its effects are Lord Ravager level as a scepter (since, well, it is a Lord Ravager atp) and that it goes above that once it combines with Phainon and is born
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Im prettyyyyy sure it was talking about the Scepter tho. It does say that its effects are Lord Ravager level as a scepter (since, well, it is a Lord Ravager atp) and that it goes above that once it combines with Phainon and is born
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im afraid we cant downscale anyone including cyrene bcs that means even cyrene by hersef outscales all emanators which only happens after she becomes fulirene 😭 this company bro..
anyway imma sleep i better see welt 3-C with soe or im calling big yahu
 
PedjaTarzan said:
im afraid we cant downscale anyone including cyrene bcs that means even cyrene by hersef outscales all emanators which only happens after she becomes fulirene 😭 this company bro..
anyway imma sleep i better see welt 3-C with soe or im calling big yahu
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I’ll think on this too. It being a 10 quintillion vs 1 might have a say in the chainscaling as Im saying.

But Ima go nap ye. It should be midnight there in serbia too
 
SuperNova55555 said:
But this is ignoring the fact that it’s the entire cosmos against it basically. It’s pretty implicit nobody directly scales to it. And they are actually being helped by Cyrene here a lot, since they seemed to need to combine all their attacks and stuff. I wonder how the wiki treats combined attacks like this tho, Im not sure on the ruling
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You also have to factor in that the Chrysos Heirs group were the only ones actually fighting Dr Tomb directly at Ground Zero while everyone else was just ship shooting a stationary target doing nothing lol.

I dont know how much that combine attack actually contributes but it shouldn't be a disqualifier considering Epics As We've Written also exists in Phase 3 while also knowing we're strong enough in Phase 3 to fight Mr Tomb.

But yeah compared to every single other fight. We aren't getting ass to belt and one shotted by Irontomb like with Temu Sakaracabaz nor we aren't fighting flowers 2.0/getting carried by 1 person. Irontomb isn't weakened nor we aren't amped like Dominicus fight. This fight is actually one of the most straight forward scaling of Express fighting an Emanator.
 
Of course Irontomb is still stronger though. Not saying they're equal. Just wanna make it clear. Its just that for this fight to ever be possible without getting belt to ass on, they'd have to be in the same AP tier.
 
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