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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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Zanesucksatlife
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It would be funny if the LS went bye bye 
Zanesucksatlife
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Removing immeasurable LS from aeons that was promised 3000 years ago
So.. as the title suggests, Immeasurable LS should be changed to infinite and the Cyrene amps should also be infinite, there's no justification for Immeasurable LS All aeons should get infinite LS via Cyrenes feat of holding the universe Cyrene holding the universe: Agree: Mbpoops ...
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Someone is into Kuchiba
Mbpoops
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Maybe a bit..
Mbpoops
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Follow the path of enigmata and you’ll see
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So if I join can I make Hook>Aeons?
Mbpoops
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somethin like that
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This verse aint dying until I have Nanook extreme diffing Pela
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Rakih_Elyan
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HSR and HI3rd isn't like GoW because we have standard.
Low 1-C tree is still funny tho
Low 1-C tree is still funny tho
Mbpoops
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when are they dropping egypt GoW
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I really doubt it'll go - Especially with the likely coming HE = Imaginary Energy reforms that will hit one day trust.
From what I understand things like Herrscher Cores are just reservoirs of power you pull from and they enable you to use certain abilities. Striking strength, Durability, etc, things that scale with Honkai Energy and have no requirements shouldn't be effected. It's like how Blade of Taixuan makes people stronger through both hypnosis and making them adaptable to HE.
Paths should be similar to that.
Mbpoops
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i guess thats fine then but lets hope it doesnt get worst
Rakih_Elyan
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What I don't like is the current UES scaling, it's so wacky.
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I just realized both verses have a Low 1-C tree.....
Mbpoops
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i never actually thought of this before
Mbpoops
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for some verses yea i mean i see the point how now every implication of using the energy system should scale the same (pink energy destroying a planet vs pink energy in a fist need more evidence of scaling the same) but eh
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i never actually thought of this before
Yggdrasil (God of War)
The Yggdrasil, alternatively the World Tree or Tree of Life, is the force that appears to be responsible for all that there is in the Norse Realms of God of War. Directly interwoven into the grand tapestry that is reality, all of existence is part of Yggdrasil and all of existence eventually...
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Yo, let's make a profile for the IT so we can have an actual match between the two
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On the topic of throwing out UES
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I have some issues with this. The way things are listed makes it so characters have access to hax they have never shown using or have no business having. The logic here is that since X shares the same Path as Y, they can therefore use the same powers. I've literally seen a thread where Boothil using gravity hax is used just because it was listed under the Hunt's ability section, despite it being a Lan exclusive power that no other Hunt pathstider, including Boothil, has used.
This leads to some insane BS like Space Station arc TB apparently using black holes, existence erasure, large-size type 7, and radiation manipulation, just cuz they share the same path as Phainon, Zephyro, and Irontomb.
Or the same TB using the power of Tuning just cuz they share the same path as Sunday. This is, of course, absurd, as there is no way early game TB is using any of those hax just because they operate on the same power system. They have not shown using them, nor should they have them. Unless the average Voidranger can use the same hax Irontomb, Phainon, and Zephyro had just because they all have the same path (I'm not even exaggerating, the first abilities listed under destruction are from Irontomb), I fail to see why this makes any sense. The same applies to other character's and their paths.
For example, despite Topaz saying Aventurine's powers are much more flashy than hers, or each Stoneheart has their own unique powers, Topaz somehow has access to Jade's enhanced senses and Aventurine's danmaku despite those powers being unique to their cornerstones. Bronya and Gepard also end up having these abilities because they follow Perseveration, which obviously makes no sense.
The Erudtion gives me a bigger headache. Cuz we end up with Ruan Mei using Herta's hax just because of UES. Despite those powers coming from abilities and tech exclusive to Herta. We also have the SH all having access to time hax just because they follow the Finality.
The only one that makes sense here for now is the Trailblaze, because it is flat-out confirmed that every follower has those skills. Ig the Nhility makes sense too, since its effects are very universal, so Zephyro sharing Acheron's hax makes sense
Like, if we're killing UES, then we should also include this. I think the Path sections of the IE page should be removed, and characters should instead only use powers that are directly shown to be used or are stated to be capable of. Unless I'm led to believe Rappa can use Paralysis inducement just because Lan once did that.
Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
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I have some issues with this. The way things are listed makes it so characters have access to hax they have never shown using or have no business having. The logic here is that since X shares the same Path as Y, they can therefore use the same powers. I've literally seen a thread where Boothil using gravity hax is used just because it was listed under the Hunt's ability section, despite it being a Lan exclusive power that no other Hunt pathstider, including Boothil, has used.
This leads to some insane BS like Space Station arc TB apparently using black holes, existence erasure, large-size type 7, and radiation manipulation, just cuz they share the same path as Phainon, Zephyro, and Irontomb.
Or the same TB using the power of Tuning just cuz they share the same path as Sunday. This is, of course, absurd, as there is no way early game TB is using any of those hax just because they operate on the same power system. They have not shown using them, nor should they have them. Unless the average Voidranger can use the same hax Irontomb, Phainon, and Zephyro had just because they all have the same path (I'm not even exaggerating, the first abilities listed under destruction are from Irontomb), I fail to see why this makes any sense. The same applies to other character's and their paths.
For example, despite Topaz saying Aventurine's powers are much more flashy than hers, or each Stoneheart has their own unique powers, Topaz somehow has access to Jade's enhanced senses and Aventurine's danmaku despite those powers being unique to their cornerstones. Bronya and Gepard also end up having these abilities because they follow Perseveration, which obviously makes no sense.
The Erudtion gives me a bigger headache. Cuz we end up with Ruan Mei using Herta's hax just because of UES. Despite those powers coming from abilities and tech exclusive to Herta. We also have the SH all having access to time hax just because they follow the Finality.
The only one that makes sense here for now is the Trailblaze, because it is flat-out confirmed that every follower has those skills. Ig the Nhility makes sense too, since its effects are very universal, so Zephyro sharing Acheron's hax makes sense
Like, if we're killing UES, then we should also include this. I think the Path sections of the IE page should be removed, and characters should instead only use powers that are directly shown to be used or are stated to be capable of. Unless I'm led to believe Rappa can use Paralysis inducement just because Lan once did that.
Mbpoops
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i had actually planned to add restrictions to paths varying from pathstrider, emanator, and Aeon level. though i still need to finish adding the chrysos heir hax to the page n what not thatll take a bitOn the topic of throwing out UES
Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
I have some issues with this. The way things are listed makes it so characters have access to hax they have never shown using or have no business having. The logic here is that since X shares the same Path as Y, they can therefore use the same powers. I've literally seen a thread where Boothil using gravity hax is used just because it was listed under the Hunt's ability section, despite it being a Lan exclusive power that no other Hunt pathstider, including Boothil, has used.
This leads to some insane BS like Space Station arc TB apparently using black holes, existence erasure, large-size type 7, and radiation manipulation, just cuz they share the same path as Phainon, Zephyro, and Irontomb.
Or the same TB using the power of Tuning just cuz they share the same path as Sunday. This is, of course, absurd, as there is no way early game TB is using any of those hax just because they operate on the same power system. They have not shown using them, nor should they have them. Unless the average Voidranger can use the same hax Irontomb, Phainon, and Zephyro had just because they all have the same path (I'm not even exaggerating, the first abilities listed under destruction are from Irontomb), I fail to see why this makes any sense. The same applies to other character's and their paths.
For example, despite Topaz saying Aventurine's powers are much more flashy than hers, or each Stoneheart has their own unique powers, Topaz somehow has access to Jade's enhanced senses and Aventurine's danmaku despite those powers being unique to their cornerstones. Bronya and Gepard also end up having these abilities because they follow Perseveration, which obviously makes no sense.
The Erudtion gives me a bigger headache. Cuz we end up with Ruan Mei using Herta's hax just because of UES. Despite those powers coming from abilities and tech exclusive to Herta. We also have the SH all having access to time hax just because they follow the Finality.
The only one that makes sense here for now is the Trailblaze, because it is flat-out confirmed that every follower has those skills. Ig the Nhility makes sense too, since its effects are very universal, so Zephyro sharing Acheron's hax makes sense
Like, if we're killing UES, then we should also include this. I think the Path sections of the IE page should be removed, and characters should instead only use powers that are directly shown to be used or are stated to be capable of. Unless I'm led to believe Rappa can use Paralysis inducement just because Lan once did that.
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This was supposed to be addressed like ages ago by me but couldn’t because of the spike of like 30 different crtsOn the topic of throwing out UES
Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
I have some issues with this. The way things are listed makes it so characters have access to hax they have never shown using or have no business having. The logic here is that since X shares the same Path as Y, they can therefore use the same powers. I've literally seen a thread where Boothil using gravity hax is used just because it was listed under the Hunt's ability section, despite it being a Lan exclusive power that no other Hunt pathstider, including Boothil, has used.
This leads to some insane BS like Space Station arc TB apparently using black holes, existence erasure, large-size type 7, and radiation manipulation, just cuz they share the same path as Phainon, Zephyro, and Irontomb.
Or the same TB using the power of Tuning just cuz they share the same path as Sunday. This is, of course, absurd, as there is no way early game TB is using any of those hax just because they operate on the same power system. They have not shown using them, nor should they have them. Unless the average Voidranger can use the same hax Irontomb, Phainon, and Zephyro had just because they all have the same path (I'm not even exaggerating, the first abilities listed under destruction are from Irontomb), I fail to see why this makes any sense. The same applies to other character's and their paths.
For example, despite Topaz saying Aventurine's powers are much more flashy than hers, or each Stoneheart has their own unique powers, Topaz somehow has access to Jade's enhanced senses and Aventurine's danmaku despite those powers being unique to their cornerstones. Bronya and Gepard also end up having these abilities because they follow Perseveration, which obviously makes no sense.
The Erudtion gives me a bigger headache. Cuz we end up with Ruan Mei using Herta's hax just because of UES. Despite those powers coming from abilities and tech exclusive to Herta. We also have the SH all having access to time hax just because they follow the Finality.
The only one that makes sense here for now is the Trailblaze, because it is flat-out confirmed that every follower has those skills. Ig the Nhility makes sense too, since its effects are very universal, so Zephyro sharing Acheron's hax makes sense
Like, if we're killing UES, then we should also include this. I think the Path sections of the IE page should be removed, and characters should instead only use powers that are directly shown to be used or are stated to be capable of. Unless I'm led to believe Rappa can use Paralysis inducement just because Lan once did that.
Also UES isn’t being killed. That’s @Mbpoops somehow thinking the staffs are deleting the entire UES page in general from ALL verses.
Mbpoops
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once again still on a topic that was finish an hour ago
let it go
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Under UES not all characters have the same abilities, etc. It's literally just that many of the profiles have agenda baked into them. You're right with a lot of the criticisms.
For the record though I disagree with Zephyro sharing Acheron's abilities.
Zephyro is never explicitly shown to be a Nihility Emanator and the way they speak about Acheron clearly implies she's the only one. With self-annihilators being so well known about Aventurine would not have hyped up Acheron like she's one of a kind or a thing that shouldn't exist if all self-annihilators were Emanators of Nihility.
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Brother the guy thinks ues is being killed because of you. I'm explaining to him that it isn't and its just you somehow extrapolating it as that.once again still on a topic that was finish an hour ago
But this isn't the reason why all path abilities are listed like that. They don't have it because of "UES". They have it because of @PedjaTarzan having Genshin IQ and me sliming him several times for making it like that.
Mbpoops
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and if you scrolled up you can see this was already cleared up
let it go
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Broskie you screwing up isn't that deep. You don't have to be offended over itand if you scrolled up you can see this was already cleared up
Mbpoops
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its mostly the fact you keep talking about it im saying let it go. i just missed the part where he said "since we're killing UES" so yea thats my bad but dawg let it goBroskie you screwing up isn't that deep. You don't have to be offended over it
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But back on topic. Yes the pathstriders aren't supposed to have every single path hax. Yes slime @PedjaTarzan for thinking the Trailblazer's exception applies to all of them.
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What do you want me to do. Was I supposed to not correct him and explain to him what happened
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come vote in my little mismatch
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Crow (Natasha Cioara) vs Infant (Lily the Stranger) - WAB vs HI3
(source) vs (source) - profiles: Lily | Cioara - verse specific powers: Cracking Being Physiology & Cracking|Honkai Energy - equipment: standard (the A & her train for Lily | the Third Divine Key & Soulium claws & bow for Cioara) - first key Lily (Sona-Nyl) is being used. - 25m starting...
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Is this what it feels like to be on the receiving end of our Kiana’s HDE camping?
Ah yes that staff thread.
Yeah I don’t think Honkai’s getting UES entirely slimed but now it’d need to actually prove that affecting cosmology feats or things like SoE + Zephyro scale to casual attacks (of characters not named Kevin)
Mbpoops
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kiana genuienly soloing aeons now
oh well the zephyro/welt nuke shouldnt be scaleable anyway
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Just what happens when you use the feats currently available instead of vibes and narrative scaling we can’t confirm yet
Kevin can still scale to it right? I mean he does slice Zeroth power like it’s fresh cheese. And in AHR he can stand in its singularity without feeling a thing.oh well the zephyro/welt nuke shouldnt be scaleable anyway
Or is Zephyro/Welt gonna be considered a unique interaction that amped the results of the clash way more than just each contributing half?
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No, I know.
I'm saying the reason path abilities on profiles are listed like that is because of agenda, while also saying if it was listed like that because of UES it'd be wrong anyway. My bad if things seemed unclear.I'm fairly certain Honkai UES won't be killed by any changes anyways.
Moon Arc Kevin SHOULD scale to anything barring Aeons given he's likely hundreds of times stronger than anything Welt does. Kevin literally statues and 3v1's Herrschers (HoFS, HoT and HoR) who would mop the floor with Welt without even using his full power. That's statue-ing people several times stronger than Welt, likely at absolute minimum.
However, big however, we don't really have anything to go off of other than vibes for this. I'm sure the above is common consensus but it isn't really provable because Kevin could be anywhere from 10x Welt to 1000x Welt... and even then, we can't prove it's the combined AP of the attacks that wiped out the universe, it could just be a unique interaction like you said.
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One way a staff member in the thread mentioned physicals could still scale relative to an energy system is if the character does a beam or fire blast or whatever. Shows no visible effort, but punches and kicks gas them out. But I cannot think of a single case in HI3 at least like this at all. Everyone in the verse above Durandal has stamina so good this doesn’t really happen
Yeah I fully agree, by proxy finality trio + maybe Sa/Sa Authority Vita should too
Just being over 100x welt isn’t crazy since. 1% of his power downscales from a Durandal which is above SoE. But Kevin got stronger with the finality authority and has AHR (ignoring deliverance obv cause we know)
I’d say one thing really not in favor of the combined attacks simply being half half is how Zephyro wants to destroy the universe.
If he has the aoe to do half on his own then why not just end it all on a random Sunday or even by combo attacking with another Ravager instead of Welt Clashing with Zephyro being this horrible alternate future which should be avoided ideally?
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