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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread
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Keep in mind that Nanook’s method of destroying the universe is heat death
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He's a very patient guy, why one-shot entire universe if you can just sit for gazillion of years and watch the universe die naturally
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Did your cm 3 downgrade even cover honkai energy cm anyway
Cause honkai and soul stuff still treated as type 1
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watch them recontextualized Heat Death into some funny out of pocket explanation that doesn't make sense
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That’s for another thread
It’s really just to mean the exhaustion of Imaginary Energy since that’s what allows worlds to grow
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Everytime you mention another honkai thread, you give heart attack to mbpoops and nether
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Robin buffing everyone doesn’t really change my point like the scaling IS weird. The AE does nothing to Aventurine but add Robin in and they beat Sunday. Btw if they were buffed why is Sunday used as a scaling point?
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The game has weird scaling. I just don’t know why you bought up these 2 fights like there’s a scaling issue though.
What do you mean do nothing? The Astral Express and Aventurine fought each other into a stalemate. I don’t know why adding Robin’s harmony buff into the equation an issue either
What profiles are you reading. Sunday isn’t even used as a scaling point. Someone for some reason even removed my renewed justification regarding the 3.8 fight so there’s no way you could’ve been confused from that either so where did you get that idea.
Even in a pre 3.8 scaling. The astral express only scaled to a weakened Dominicus due to disharmony debuff.
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AE couldn’t do anything to a guy with a fragment of a fragment of an Emanator’s strength. They get a buff from a normal pathstrider and beat an Emanator. That is odd. How is Robin making up that difference?
They literally did zero damage to Aventurine. He casually catches TB’s lance with his bare hand and yeets them. Tanks Himeko’s orbital laser with zero damage and then preps a large scale attack that prompts Acheron to step in.
Didn’t know the profiles had changed. I recall Sunday being mentioned as a scaling point back then.
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They fought the guy into a stalemate.
What’s the issue with a harmony buffer empowering the gang to face the Embryo of Philosophy. It’s not like he fought back. He stayed stationary and took every single attack head on.
Because of Aventurine’s main shtick as being a Preservation character? His main ability is Fortified Wager meant to absorb all damage. You can straight up see Fortified Wager activated during the cutscene.
Notice how they stalemated each other? Notice how Acheron stepped in only when Aventurine was gambling everything into a final attack? Acheron only said she’d interfere and help if she didn’t believe the Astral Express would win. Meaning nothing Aventurine did throughout the entire fight against the Astral Express prompted her to interfere because she still believes they can win. Which forced Aventurine to gamble everything in order to finally force Acheron to retaliate against him (which was his goal btw)
If you meant pre 3.8 scaling. They only scaled to a weakened disharmony Dominicus, who just upscales Aventurine at most.
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Erm......he was clearly having an advantage in the cutscene. He even casually tanked Himeko's ult.
They only lived because Acheron was there to aura farm.
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He very clearly had the edge as none of their attacks could do anything.
A single pathstrider making that much of a difference against an Emanator IS odd. Robin's power alone takes these guys who struggle with a fragment of a fragment of an Emanator to being able to beat the real deal?
If you're in a fight and you can't hurt your opponent, but they can hurt you, that isn't a stalemate you're just cooked.
So them 'stalemating' Aventurine was just because he didn't go all out. He threw an attack so strong Acheron stopped believing in their victory.
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It’s js Nether being stinky, Mbpoops agrees with me on pretty much most stuff now
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Again, Fortified Wager.
Again, he literally gambled EVERYTHING into a final attack because nothing he has done against the express could force Acheron to interfere. His entire goal is to force Acheron into interfering and everything he did failed except for his final wager.
Again, Fortified Wager. Why does this keep getting ignored. Unironically enough the fact that he even feels the need to have protection against the Express shows they can actually do something against him.
Not like the same harmony buffer had to be personally nerfed by Constance because it was too hard for Sparkle and Sampo to handle her
Clearly not because again, nothing warranted Acheron to interfere with the fight. She STILL believe the Astral Express cam still beat Aventurine,
Broskie.
His entire goal is to get Acheron to interfere with the fight. Literally NOTHING he could do could actually accomplish that goal. We saw the entire fight unfold through the boss fight itself and none of those could stop the Express. Hell, yall be portraying like Aventurine could casually stomp the Astral Express like Frieza fighting Vegeta back on Namek yet in his own words he needed to gamble EVERYTHING into an all-out attack. Keep in mind that same attack that Acheron needed to transform in order to stop final gamble attack.
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He had a free spammable shield they couldn't break so yes they couldn't do anything to him. If I punch a guy in plate armour and accomplish nothing then I accomplished nothing. He has the skill so they can't hurt him.
Robin is nigh Emanator level?
They stalemated him when he held back and when he went all out Acheron had to intervene because the crew couldn't do anything.
Even if they matched Aventurine it doesn't change anything because it is still really weird that one path strider can take a group of people who can't best a fraction of a fraction of an Emanator to beating a real Emanator. How is Robin providing so much power singe handedly?
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Unless the guy either tires out or theres an opening created from breaking the shield then yes they can do something to him. Still a reason why Acheron still believed they got it
Respect the Robin agenda. Love it. (Just saying her harmony hax is just really strong)
He gambled everything he had into a final attack. This is the equivalent to like a Goku who is already at full power channeling everything he has (or in the context of Aventurine, gambling) into a maximum kamehameha and goes beyond his normal capability.
"who cant best a fraction of a power" the final gamble attack that forced Acheron into transforming
Robin is a strong harmony buffer with her hax that needed to be nerfed by Constance herself in order for Sparkle and Sampo to actually take her down. She also played a part in actually destroying the 3 layers of Ena's Dream. I really don't see the issue.
Even then, this was also in the old justification if you want "Even while weakened due to Acheron's Unsheathed Sword powers having affected the Dreamscape"
You could say Dominicus got nerfed since this is straight up what he looked like after Ena's dream was destroyed. (He didn't look like this the first time in 2.2 when destroyed Ena's Dream)
Understandable so because theres like quadruple the amount of people that were involved including QLIPOTH'S HAMMER to actually stop False God Sunday so here theres your second explanation.
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You guys ain't ready for Firefly soloing Dominicus
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There was zero indication of him tiring out so they couldn't do anything to him.Unless the guy either tires out or theres an opening created from breaking the shield then yes they can do something to him. Still a reason why Acheron still believed they got it
Respect the Robin agenda. Love it. (Just saying her harmony hax is just really strong)
He gambled everything he had into a final attack. This is the equivalent to like a Goku who is already at full power channeling everything he has (or in the context of Aventurine, gambling) into a maximum kamehameha and goes beyond his normal capability.
"who cant best a fraction of a power" the final gamble attack that forced Acheron into transforming
Robin is a strong harmony buffer with her hax that needed to be nerfed by Constance herself in order for Sparkle and Sampo to actually take her down. She also played a part in actually destroying the 3 layers of Ena's Dream. I really don't see the issue.
Even then, this was also in the old justification if you want "Even while weakened due to Acheron's Unsheathed Sword powers having affected the Dreamscape"
You could say Dominicus got nerfed since this is straight up what he looked like after Ena's dream was destroyed. (He didn't look like this the first time in 2.2 when destroyed Ena's Dream)
Understandable so because theres like quadruple the amount of people that were involved including QLIPOTH'S HAMMER to actually stop False God Sunday so here theres your second explanation.
His final attack was still from him using a fraction of a fraction of an Emanator's power
Robin didn't destroy the dream layer by raw force. Didn't she just hold a Charmony Festival?
You know that what actually happened when they nerfed Sunday was they just dropped him from basically Aeon level to Emanator tier right?
What you've posted doesn't answer anything as the AE still went from struggling with Aventurine to besting a true Emanator with Robin's lone buff
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Ok so opening then? I dont see what changes from the fact that she still thinks they can win one way or another
I still dont get why you are phrasing it as a fraction of a fraction. Hes 1/10th an Emanator. Thats his normal capabilities. His final gamble forces even Acheron to transform. Is Acheron only 1/10th an Emanator now?
I never said by raw force. I've been saying her hax is really strong. Her harmony hax is activated everywhere in order to help actually destroy the layer.
You do know you can still be weakened and still be called an Emanator right?
If Zephyro loses an arm. Does this mean hes not an emanator anymore?
Like at the end. Ena's Dream, something that empowers him, is gone. Acheron's powers affected the entire dreamscape. He would still be weakened, especially after a simultaneous attack from like 10+ angles/people
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Aventurine caught the TB's lance with his bare hand. Was that fortified wager as well?
Cornerstone is part of an Emanator's authority. Aventurine had a shattered stone so that is a fraction of a fraction. It says nothing about Acheron it just means the crew can't even measure of to that.
She could only do that via holding the Charmony Festival.
Sunday's weakening is explicitly noted to be him losing his nigh Aeon status. Can you show me anything that says he was dropped from Aeon to Emanator and then further weakened again before the AE fought him?
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I don’t know man. Oh hey look what’s that oddly shaped 4 sided shield I’m seeing
So basically you vibe scaled an entire fraction out of nowhere despite the stone still being capable of threatening Acheron using a final gamble attack. Come on man.
Sure. Her power was still needed to break the layers of Ena’s Dream which were still the same exact power used to buff the express.
Your pic says goes from Nigh Aeon to Emanator status. Which is factual. However, nothing about this disqualifies the fact that he can just be weakened as well. Being weakened doesn’t somehow make someone not an Emanator anymore. Like again, Ena’s dream, something that empowers him, is destroyed. His source of strength was also abruptly jumped by like 10 people and an Aeon’s hammer alongside the entire dreamscape being affected by Acheron’s power. Again still more merit than whatever multiple you pulled out of nowhere.
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Ok so they still had no way to do any damage to him. Thanks for clarifying though.
I don’t know man. Oh hey look what’s that oddly shaped 4 sided shield I’m seeing
So basically you vibe scaled an entire fraction out of nowhere despite the stone still being capable of threatening Acheron using a final gamble attack. Come on man.
Sure. Her power was still needed to break the layers of Ena’s Dream which were still the same exact power used to buff the express.
Your pic says goes from Nigh Aeon to Emanator status. Which is factual. However, nothing about this disqualifies the fact that he can just be weakened as well. Being weakened doesn’t somehow make someone not an Emanator anymore. Like again, Ena’s dream, something that empowers him, is destroyed. His source of strength was also abruptly jumped by like 10 people and an Aeon’s hammer alongside the entire dreamscape being affected by Acheron’s power. Again still more merit than whatever multiple you pulled out of nowhere.
...How is it vibe scaling. Cornerstone is a portion of Emanator authority, his stone was broken so it was weaker. These are facts. Did you yourself not just state that Acheron intervened because the crew couldn't handle him? This doesn't reflect on her scaling at all. It simply shows he was too much for the AE which should be obvious based on them doing no damage to him.
Yes but that power was born from a Charmony Festival. Did she direct that same gathered power to the AE?
You see this is actually vibe scaling lol. Sunday being weakened was him dropping to Emanator tier. You're then assuming there must've been another unmentioned nerf somewhere without any evidence. all the things you brought up are just the things that dropped him to Emanator tier where he just has Dominicus. Again show me a single statement or whatever that says he dropped to Emanator tier and was then further weakened again before he fought the crew.
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Just nether
Mbpoops
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Apparently acherfraud just didnt fight hat all until the final gamble (even though shes in a fighting stance before the fight lol)
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Maybe she was just aura farming
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Maybe she forgot why she was there
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Truly an Emanator of the Nihility
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Bro Welt was 100% shivering when he threatened Acheron lmao
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According to supporters only himeko and tb fought aventurine.
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Welt borderline has the worst scaling in Hoyoverse bro, it genuinely makes no sense. Like he’s supposedly on par with both Acheron and Zephyro but is also simultaneously explicitly below Emanator level…?
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Imo “emanator level” is more of a status if anything. The power of an emanator isnt exclusive to emanators a pathstrider can get up to the level to damage a emanator the only difference is emanators can draw directly from their aeon (which is the sole reason the scaling is ****** rn emanators lost their baseline 3-B scaling for no reason at all now we have l1C yanqing and yunli) zephyro being pushed to use his white hole against welt (stated to be equal and blew up the cosmos) just means welt is peak emanator level with SoE in terms of strength but hes still classified as a pathstrider. Im not falling for the acheron agenda.
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