Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[SuperNova55555]

Ummm… was IT born out of SoQ

 

[Diasui]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoyoverse_scaling/s/YRUgxDLAJ3 Im not reading allat

reading reddit threads are one of the many ways to ragebait yourself

 

[Zefkiel]

Ummm… was IT born out of SoQ

Did you find something that says that?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Did you find something that says that?

This is what I’ve been told by a few people. And that IT and SoQ are completely equal and stuff

 

[Ayato256]

Ummm… was IT born out of SoQ

I don't play Hi3, but from what I remember, yes? At least, most of the time when I see the scans that describe their origins, it says that the Tree was born from the Sea, that it grows, and that in the end, they try to eat each other.
These are the first scans from the Imaginary section of the cosmology blog.
Why this question?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ummm… was IT born out of SoQ

This is what I’ve been told by a few people. And that IT and SoQ are completely equal and stuff

Yeah but in hsr its also said to be unparalleled compared to SoQ so its veery confusing (hoyo try to make consistent shit challenge)

 

[Ayato256]

Yeah but in hsr its also said to be unparalleled compared to SoQ so its veery confusing (hoyo try to make consistent shit challenge)

It's possible that most people in HSR aren't even aware of SoQ's existence, so the database might be incorrect, or Dan Heng might have made a mistake in writing it, I don't know. In any case, I have serious doubts about the veracity of this information, because if it's true, it means that IT has currently absorbed SoQ.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Isn’t SoQ explicitly 11D?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Isn’t SoQ explicitly 11D?

It isn’t capped at a dimensionality nor does it have a stated dimensionality. It just contains 11D Bulk Space

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Isn’t SoQ explicitly 11D?

nah only the ether bathtub inside SoQ is explicitly 11D

 

[Ayato256]

Isn’t SoQ explicitly 11D?

Bubble worlds are, however, I was told that SoQ as a whole is not; it's more of an informational void, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Le'garde273]

Ummm… was IT born out of SoQ

A young shoot sprouted from the cracks of primordial chaos. Nurtured by time for billions of years, it grew into a huge, unrivaled tree.
The branches of the giant tree bore colorful young leaves, each containing a fragment of the universe's will — a will that eternally speaks in cryptic vagaries but also bestows stunning scenery, treasures, epics, and life upon every world.

Tbf, "unrivaled" Just asserting and refer that is no being within the tree (universe) can rival the imaginary tree itself. Not specifically refer to SoQ cause it's the polar opposite and hsr itself never even mention SoQ other than this

This thing also might be the item that sampo bring from the hi3 timeline collab along with sparkle

 

[SuperNova55555]

I wonder if ya’ll sweating rn at the threat of a downgrade

 

[Ayato256]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hoyoverse_scaling/s/YRUgxDLAJ3 Im not reading allat

It's rubbish, but I'm so used to the arguments coming from the common folk who hang out with Dr. Primitive on TikTok that seeing such a lengthy, albeit false, argument made me smile. Anyway, Genshin has become a bit more interesting thanks to Admin Dottore; we'll see what comes of it.

 

[Ayato256]

I wonder if ya’ll sweating rn at the threat of a downgrade

There are already too many open threads

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I wonder if ya’ll sweating rn at the threat of a downgrade

The downgrade being?

(Also you could always just wait for Weaver because he was making a thread for SOQ and IT)

 

[SuperNova55555]

The downgrade being?

Obviously talking about L1A here

(Also you could always just wait for Weaver because he was making a thread for SOQ and IT)

Good on him bro

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Obviously talking about L1A here

What makes SoQ=IT an anti feat for l1A if both are real space anyway

 

[SuperNova55555]

What makes SoQ=IT an anti feat for l1A if both are real space anyway

Cuz it can’t be that Imaginary is L1A if it were born from 11D SoQ

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Cuz it can’t be that Imaginary is L1A if it were born from 11D SoQ

??????????
buddy what has that to do with Imaginary Space if its above both of them why is it called the origin of the universe in first place? do you also think it has birthed imaginary space if its also below imaginary space that makes no sense at all

 

[PedjaTarzan]

dont tell me you also made img tree low 1A :sob.:

 

[SuperNova55555]

??????????
buddy what has that to do with Imaginary Space if its above both of them why is it called the origin of the universe in first place? do you also think it has birthed imaginary space if its also below imaginary space that makes no sense at all

When’s it’s stated that it’s above SoQ. Real Space only extends to the projection of the Tree with Imaginary Energy. It really has nothing to do with SoQ

I’ve stated implicitly that Real Space is merely the physical part of the Tree. You should know ts by now

 

[PedjaTarzan]

When’s it’s stated that it’s above SoQ. Real Space only extends to the projection of the Tree with Imaginary Energy. It really has nothing to do with SoQ

i need this part quoted rn

I’ve stated implicitly that Real Space is merely the physical part of the Tree. You should know ts by now

its literally just IT, Imaginary Space is what holds all this anyway the fact that SoQ rivals this space is alr enough to be below Imaginary Space thats actually simple

 

[SuperNova55555]

i need this part quoted rn

Ya know when Cyrene was in Path Space and called Irontomb destroying the cosmos the "Real Space-Time"?
Also lesser stuff like this

its literally just IT, Imaginary Space is what holds all this anyway the fact that SoQ rivals this space is alr enough to be below Imaginary Space thats actually simple

Real Space is the Space were Imaginary Energy flows to create stuff, but the Tree's includes all the other stuff as well like the trunk which is prior to both space and time.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ya know when Cyrene was in Path Space and called Irontomb destroying the cosmos the "Real Space-Time"?
Also lesser stuff like this


Real Space is the Space were Imaginary Energy flows to create stuff, but the Tree's includes all the other stuff as well like the trunk which is prior to both space and time.

Then the "Tree" being born in question is just the real space, in fact since HSR refers IT as the universe, and in hi3 the statement about SoQ and Tree rivaling each other is like very early into game the rivarly in question is just Real Space of Tree and SoQ because theres still no indication that SoQ can interact with Imaginary Space, so the only anti feat would be that real space is 1-B so it would either fall into High 1-C or upgrade SoQ to 1-B because SoQ isnt capped at 1-B as the actuall 11D space there is ether bathtub.

Now, up to this point, it was actually later clarified in Durandal's visual novel that the 11-dimensional bulk space so-called "Ether Bathtub" isn't actually referring to the true form of the Sea of Quanta, but rather another structure that is greater than all of the Bubble Worlds that is encompassed by the Sea of Quanta.

Otto Apocalypse implied that the Ether Anchor is the special structure that stores all of the Bubble Worlds, its entire system and its merging and expansion; "membranes" refers to Bubble Worlds of endless varieties, even in sets of dimensional manifolds and volume.

Otto Apocalypse later explicitly asserts the Anchor Point is actually the topological space that exists between all dimensional folds, further proving that the "Ether Bathtub" is not actually referring to the Sea of Quanta itself, but rather a specific structure that is embedded upon it as a separate entity, called the "Ether Anchor".

Moving on, the Ether Anchor was later confirmed to be the root and origins of all dimensions, inferring to the "11 dimensions" mentioned along with the "Ether Bathtub". It was also all types of dimensional activities, such as the merging of dimensional membranes and Bubble Worlds, and traversal of Bubble Universes, all to have taken place within the Ether Anchor.

Up till this point, it is safe to say that the "Ether Anchor Point" is the same concept as the "Ether Bathtub" -- rightfully the same thing as the "Ether Bathtub", the 11-dimensional construct that was explained to shape all different varieties of Bubble Universes of different dimensional information in Durandal's visual novel.

this smells like low 1-A soq too

 

[SuperNova55555]

Then the "Tree" being born in question is just the real space, in fact since HSR refers IT as the universe, and in hi3 the statement about SoQ and Tree rivaling each other is like very early into game the rivarly in question is just Real Space of Tree and SoQ because theres still no indication that SoQ can interact with Imaginary Space, so the only anti feat would be that real space is 1-B so it would either fall into High 1-C or upgrade SoQ to 1-B because SoQ isnt capped at 1-B as the actuall 11D space there is ether bathtub.



this smells like low 1-A soq too

Again, Cyrene implicitly refers to Real Space as just the “Cosmos’ Real Space-Time”. You can check the statement yourself. Cosmos refers to both IS and RS

Additionally, Aeons explicitly overtake the Masterless Imaginary Energy when ascending, which also explicitly emerged from the SoQ. And ya know, the Energy is implicitly a part of IS, otherwise Irontomb couldn’t have traced it back to Nous

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

I mean the SoQ isn't limit to 11d it's the aether Bathtub that is, it shouldn't really be an anti feat but an up scale for the SoQ, BC we have multiple things to say that dimensionality isn't limited to 11d and can be infinite

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Again, Cyrene implicitly refers to Real Space as just the “Cosmos’ Real Space-Time”. You can check the statement yourself. Cosmos refers to both IS and RS

Calls Real Space "cosmos" "cosmos refers to both IS and RS" so Irontomb nuked IS too?

Additionally, Aeons explicitly overtake the Masterless Imaginary Energy when ascending, which also explicitly emerged from the SoQ. And ya know, the Energy is implicitly a part of IS, otherwise Irontomb couldn’t have traced it back to Nous

why do they ascend into IS and not SoQ then, why do you think imaginary energy would come out of SoQ and not IS if thats where Aeons ascend and YK they are also just imaginary energy like paths

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean the SoQ isn't limit to 11d it's the aether Bathtub that is, it shouldn't really be an anti feat but an up scale for the SoQ

Well sure, I don’t have a problem there but:

Again, Cyrene implicitly refers to Real Space as just the “Cosmos’ Real Space-Time”. You can check the statement yourself. Cosmos refers to both IS and RS

Additionally, Aeons explicitly overtake the Masterless Imaginary Energy when ascending, which also explicitly emerged from the SoQ. And ya know, the Energy is implicitly a part of IS, otherwise Irontomb couldn’t have traced it back to Nous

These are just the words of the blog and not of the series so I can’t 100% trust em

 

[RoninSlayer200]

SoQ while isn't explicitly capped at 11D, it's also stratch immediately scaling it to Low 1-A just because it isn't capped. Is there anything that implies SoQ is at least way above 11D?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

SoQ while isn't explicitly capped at 11D, it's also stratch immediately scaling it to Low 1-A just because it isn't capped. Is there anything that implies SoQ is at least way above 11D?

if according to nova SoQ rivaling imaginary tree makes SoQ also Rival Imaginary space then SoQ would also be low 1-A

 

[SuperNova55555]

Calls Real Space "cosmos" "cosmos refers to both IS and RS" so Irontomb nuked IS too?

No, Cyrene just confirmed that Irontomb was only going to destroy the Real part. Which is completely in line with Lygus’ plan. (You can use context clues ya know)

why do they ascend into IS and not SoQ then, why do you think imaginary energy would come out of SoQ and not IS if thats where Aeons ascend and YK they are also just imaginary energy like paths

Cuz the Trunk spewed out from SoQ… and Imaginary Energy originates from the Trunk… there’s no need for them to go to SoQ.

Anyway you should clear the 11D SoQ thingy with the other HI3 bros. I’ll only make a CRT via that consensus

 

[RoninSlayer200]

if according to nova SoQ rivaling imaginary tree makes SoQ also Rival Imaginary space then SoQ would also be low 1-A

Based on my understanding, if:

SoQ exists -> Tree borns -> Tree grows up and rivals SoQ -> Said Tree is also comparable to Imaginary Space (I guess?)

Then that can make SoQ Low 1-A because this implies SoQ was always Low 1-A-ish structure because if Tree born from it and grew up to challenge then SoQ has to be Low 1-A otherwise IT would easily dwarf SoQ (if it was on 11D or similar level.)

Ngl I hate Imaginary Space, it makes things confusing.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Not sure if this does anything but this something I found regarding the sea and tree

 

[PedjaTarzan]

No, Cyrene just confirmed that Irontomb was only going to destroy the Real part. Which is completely in line with Lygus’ plan. (You can use context clues ya know)

Then IS is not the cosmos then plain simple when the only thing destroyed is real space which includes the cosmos.

Cuz the Trunk spewed out from SoQ… and Imaginary Energy originates from the Trunk… there’s no need for them to go to SoQ.

The trunk is the universe, the imaginary energy originates from imaginary space, you literally have the this scans here, also since the scan also mentiones that its the origin of all "roots" given the tree sprouted from soq that would make soq its root and then makes both soq and it originate from IS

 

[SuperNova55555]

Then IS is not the cosmos then plain simple when the only thing destroyed is real space which includes the cosmos.

Negative reading comprehension

The trunk is the universe, the imaginary energy originates from imaginary space, you literally have the this scans here, also since the scan also mentiones that its the origin of all "roots" given the tree sprouted from soq that would make soq its root and then makes both soq and it originate from IS

Not even what those scans say lmao.

Here’s something legit:

The crown of the tree remains in a dynamic state as it absorbs the masterless Imaginary Energy from the space-time vasculature of the trunk.

The Crown (leaves and branches) is respectively Space and Time. The Trunk is where the IE emerges from (ya know, Imaginary Space)

Anyways, I rlly wanna read the Loli Yog downgrade so I’m not bothering with this until I maybe make a downgrade CRT for it. I’m all too well aware of the pointlessness of HSR Discussion Thread banter… just make sure SoQ is above 11D and alls fine

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The Crown (leaves and branches) is respectively Space and Time. The Trunk is where the IE emerges from (ya know, Imaginary Space)

okay hoyo what the ****?
Hi3: Trunk is Tree
HSR: Trunk is IS
????????? yea i gotta need source of this

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I mean the SoQ isn't limit to 11d it's the aether Bathtub that is, it shouldn't really be an anti feat but an up scale for the SoQ, BC we have multiple things to say that dimensionality isn't limited to 11d and can be infinite

Can you fix the imgur

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Can you fix the imgur

What about now does it work

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

What about now does it work

It's not working yet