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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Super_Nova said:
Interestingly, both “Demiurge” and “Nous” are also alternate names for Neoplatonism’s Divine Intellect, which in fact, is also literally the World of Forms.

Intellect, in this wiki, would then be no less than the strongest High 1-A+ if tiered. Does that mean that Nous solos fiction? **** no, because it’s merely a cool reference. Lygus referencing some philosophy means nothing if the verse doesn’t lay it out correctly.
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I never said referencing it means they scale to it, though.
What I said is that it references it so many times and uses explanations from said allegory, hints of it being at leasta Type 1 concept.
And Type 1 Concept =/= platonic concept in this wiki anymore.
And if you want a layout, I already explained above some possible scenarios as to why it could be a Type 1 concept. because i don't have the full context to what an Aeon is or how it is currently accepted in the wiki and planned to be revised in the first place

what you committed here is a Strawman
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
I never said referencing it means they scale to it, though.
What I said is that it references it so many times and uses explanations from said allegory, hints of it being at leasta Type 1 concept.
And Type 1 Concept =/= platonic concept in this wiki anymore.
And if you want a layout, I already explained above some possible scenarios as to why it could be a Type 1 concept. because i don't have the full context to what an Aeon is or how it is currently accepted in the wiki and planned to be revised in the first place

what you committed here is a Strawman
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But you yourself said that it “hints” towards Type 1, no? Maybe I exaggerated a bit about how much you were attempting to prove with the allegory, but you were attempting to prove something, no?

Also I never said Type 1s = Forms. That’s a strawman.
 
Super_Nova said:
Also I never said Type 1s = Forms. That’s a strawman.
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But our topic is Type 1 and 2 concept, and you brought that up yourself.
Please don't act like we are arguing in general without a topic
Super_Nova said:
But you yourself said that it “hints” towards Type 1, no? Maybe I exaggerated a bit about how much you were attempting to prove with the allegory, but you were attempting to prove something, no?
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I said it is not an offshoot because a Type 1 concept can still manifest even while a reality that is independent of it is occurring midway.
As I made an example. There are also multiple other scenarios where, in a Type 1 concept, being removed doesn't mean it ceases to exist, but just results in a distortion where the object becomes a vague object without definition. Context matters where a direct definition falls
It is possible. And I'm giving examples, not proof
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
But our topic is Type 1 and 2 concept, and you brought that up yourself.
Please don't act like we are arguing in general without a topic

I said it is not an offshoot because a Type 1 concept can still manifest even while a reality that is independent of it is occurring midway.
As I made an example. There are also multiple other scenarios where, in a Type 1 concept, being removed doesn't mean it ceases to exist, but just results in a distortion where the object becomes a vague object without definition. Context matters where a direct definition falls
It is possible. And I'm giving examples, not proof
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The point is that you were saying that Lygus using the cave allegory somehow makes Type 1 more believable, which I disagreed with and then gave you an example of another referenced philosophy in HSR (neoplatonism) and told you that it is absurd to assume things of of this. If you want I can also use other philosophies referenced in HSR like Immanuel Kant’s Idealism or Aristotle’s Prime Mover as an example instead, but it doesn’t change the core of my critique.
 
:rolleyes:
You gave an example in extremity. I gave an example through reasoning and rationale.

I'm not continuing this conversation. go win your argument elsewhere
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
As @PedjaTarzan said, how are we going to cooperate with a bunch of people who think that: Concepts across the Multiverse/Universe are Type 3 and not even at the very least Type 2? Explain to me how we're going to manage that?
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You said this is a proof how you guys are quick to be so angered about it
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
The main reason I crashed was because people only complain and don't help at all in creating current profiles they despise so much
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That's the thing no? They just asking a question, they didn't mean to help fully, that's literally the nature of this site, if said people didn't satisfied with a question in a discussion thread, they will make a specific thread for it, and vice versa
 
Yeah
Also my memory serves right
Himeko or someone once said something like Stellaron hunters can destroy planets and aeons can destroy galaxy's
Idk where it was stated though
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Zephryo destroying a galaxy. The lord ravagers being capable of incinerating multiple galaxies. Welt and Zephryo nuking the entire cosmos and ending the universe
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PedjaTarzan said:
Meh. tb is literally S ranker according to Welt and kicked another Emanator ass (Zandar) and Welt going full thragg vs battle beast on zephyro is like rupturing cosmos
anyone below welt and tb can be downgraded
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Trailblazer received gazes from Nanook, Qlipoth and Xipe just to become at least comparable to Rita, lol
 
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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Trailblazer received gazes from Nanook, Qlipoth and Xipe just to become at least comparable to Rita, lol
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S rank is weird bcs Herrschers at least have some divided tiers where chars like wendy sirin and unknown PE goons arent strong
then we have actual top dogs being HoO HoFi and HoTr
with the reet being middle ground
S rank is Cecilia being Sirin lvl
Rita i dont even know and durandal being high tier in all battlesuits she has outside valkyrie gloria and the kid one since p2 stuff is weaker than it actually is due to honkai being on moon
 
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