Hsharpe
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Well they did add/remove some stuff, but yeah I did notice.
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Honkai Impact 3rd
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wrong thread lil bro 
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Oh shi, my bad lil bruh.wrong thread lil bro
Thought its still the same for both and somehow i can't go to the hsr discussion thread.
Rakih_Elyan
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Durandal doesn't literally carry the burden of a bubble universe dawg (It almost doesn't have mass), the localizer really takes their freedom for this lol. I would say that the burden referred to in the original description isn't the bubble universe itself, but the armor.
EN Localization for Dea Anchora
Original ZHS description
几乎没有质量 (jīhū méiyǒu zhìliàng) = almost no mass
EN Localization for Dea Anchora
Original ZHS description
Lit EN Translation
Google Translate
几乎没有质量 (jīhū méiyǒu zhìliàng) = almost no mass
Rakih_Elyan
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Honkai Impact 3rd Immeasurable LS Downgrade
As we can see, Immeasurable LS (which shouldn't even make sense in the first place) came from Durandal Dorm's scan of Dea Anchora. Immeasurable (Durandal carries the weight of the Bubble universe and the Ether Anchor since she was 12 years old and it still feels incredibly light for her) But...
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This is copied from older threads lol
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Why would people do their powerscaling on reddit anyway? Lmao
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he isnt even doing that, he is just copy pasting older outdated and rejected crts
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I have a question, does anyone really understand 1-B? (The imaginary tree and the sea of quanta cannot be lower than L1-A normally)
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1-B is through Imaginary Tree's transcendence over Sea of Quanta, you're correct that it cannot be lower than Low 1-A though. The tier supposed were to be like that, Absolute Infinity is just one of the many feats anyway
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The imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are relative; neither is truly superior to the other. Otherwise, the imaginary tree could have absorbed the sea of quanta, but while they constantly argue, the imaginary tree wants to absorb the SoQ and the SoQ wants to drown it. The SoQ is not 11-D, it's the bubble worlds, and each bubble world ends up being 11-D. I won't go into detail, but the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are the two minimum L1-A structures in the verse. I say minimum because both scale higher.
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Retconned in HSR unfortunately, it says the Tree is unrivaled in the databank there
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In hsr, the imaginary tree is just a theory, there is no real information in hsr about the imaginary tree and especially that the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are in conflict at all times. Even the true forms of the Aeons must not truly know what the imaginary tree and the sea of quanta are.
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Well, Kiana would win. The ways are amalgams of imaginary energy, and the aions are therefore imaginary beings like the herrschers. Besides her ability to create herrschers, therefore imaginary beings, Kiana manipulates imaginary energy, therefore the ways themselves.
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That primordial chaos the databank was talking about obviously refers to the Sea of Quanta, even if it was a theory: It still doesn't change the fact that well, HSR was taken after Alien Space (HI3) so there's no reason to still assume SoQ is equal to the Tree when it's also Otto himself that said he must transcend reality in SoQ to eventually become a slave of Imaginary Tree
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yet it is said word for word that the imaginary tree wants to "absorb" the sea of quanta and that the SoQ wants to "drown" the IT" so if the IT was really superior, wouldn't it do it easily? and yet this fight has lasted since their creations.
EINAKUROMU
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Shouldn't Fu Hua (Fenghuang of Vicissitude) be at least Tier 1-B? Iirc, she fought Kevin to the point where he had to use the power of Finality before facing the trio (not in their strongest forms). Also, Herrscher of Sentience was capable of cracking Diabolical Kevin's horn
(if my memory serves me right
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(if my memory serves me right
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I'm going to ask a question.
For you, what is the true scale of the imaginary tree and the Sea of Quanta?
For you, what is the true scale of the imaginary tree and the Sea of Quanta?
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if u have scans sureShouldn't Fu Hua (Fenghuang of Vicissitude) be at least Tier 1-B? Iirc, she fought Kevin to the point where he had to use the power of Finality before facing the trio (not in their strongest forms). Also, Herrscher of Sentience was capable of cracking Diabolical Kevin's horn
(if my memory serves me right
Yanina92
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Yeah she should be 1-B since she haves multiple feats for it:Shouldn't Fu Hua (Fenghuang of Vicissitude) be at least Tier 1-B? Iirc, she fought Kevin to the point where he had to use the power of Finality before facing the trio (not in their strongest forms). Also, Herrscher of Sentience was capable of cracking Diabolical Kevin's horn
(if my memory serves me right
- Fought Sa who was comparable to the 1/10 of the Cocoon of Finality in size.
- Herrscher of Sentience managed to do an crack in Diabolic Kevin horn doing "true damage".
- Kevin was forced to use Active Honkai Reaction to defeat Fu Hua in the Previous Era.
- With the sword of Durandal, Fu Hua managed to cut Kevin which was later reconfirmed there.
- Durandal with Dea Anchora fought against Kevin, I don't know if she can be 1-B too but her Palatinus Equinox already is.
- Though, Fu Hua with her FP can barely waver the Finality on Kevin.
I mean Fu Hua scales to Kalpas and above Base Kevin in her profile, Kalpas and Previous Era Base Kevin are 1-B so she should've automatically be in that tier.
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thanks a lot
Yanina92
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Also I don't think most of them should've Hyperversal, for example Kiana and Durandal fought False God Otto but she used Imaginary Renormalization to defeat him and the Kalpas statement was already debunked there, also the trio didn't have a chance against Kevin while Senti blitzed him off-guard which is already more impressive than what the trio did. I don't know, but the scaling is a bit messy, If we discard the mention of Kalpas then the majority could not be Hyperversal due to chain scaling
Btw, isn't Six Cores Sirin High 1-C? Fu Hua Phoenix form should've High 1-C in that case
Btw, isn't Six Cores Sirin High 1-C? Fu Hua Phoenix form should've High 1-C in that case
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Kpas and Ely being h1C in their ER keys is fine yeah
But otto one no since he has 1-B physicals as well and its consistent with being literally part of IT itself so nah they are good at being 1-B
Kevin upscales greatly due to snatching power of finality which is strongest shit in hi3
been thinking abt this and yea i think she should be h1C, i have her there in sandbox which is not finished yet
EINAKUROMU
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Nice 
I assume that anyone who scales from S-rank (or from Welt) would automatically be 3-B, right?
I assume that anyone who scales from S-rank (or from Welt) would automatically be 3-B, right?
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Yes, someone should update hi3 profiles with 3-C ap to 3-B but it should be 4.5 quettafoeNice
I assume that anyone who scales from S-rank (or from Welt) would automatically be 3-B, right?
Yanina92
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Didn't Kiana use her hax to revert his infinite power? I don't think she should've scale at all the power of Otto if she does, once Otto empowered himself he implied that his power was infinite and he also mentioned that Kiana renormalized his power to defeat him, I don't see why Kiana would scale to him since in that form she didn't even did an scratch to Kevin who wasn't using all his power, despited Senti doing better than them. Also it was mentioned that Finality power is beyond the power of False God Otto? If I'm not wrong there was also an statement that compares his power with the arrival of PE Finality, I need to check it though
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So then…nothing debunks the 1-B scaling? all you are doing is proving Tunality>Img authority
plus you dont really need to defeat someone to scale to their value, but if you saw the fight he was already getting physically overpowered by kiana and durandal, which is already enough given only reason he was still alive is due to imaginary tree keeping his autority active
Yanina92
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Why would they scale to him? They managed to hurt him because they were nullifying his authority with the power of the Herrscher of the Void, which is to revert the infinite state into finite so how would they physically scale to him if they were weakening him? Even Otto was very confident in taking down them but as long the fight passes he got defeated as his powers were weakened, and if he was compared with the PE Herrscher of Finality why would Kiana and Durandal defeat him? I don't think this makes much sense at all, also the Void Renormalization is accepted as Power Nullification in Herrscher of the Void Kiana profile so I don't think why this can't be the same case.
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because she used imaginary renormalizatopn shen she pinned otto on the wall with her sword, before that they were fighting otto for a long time and he wasnt even able
to defeat them. like i said all of his stats are z1-B and they still managed to fight against him so thats why they are 1-B aswell
Yanina92
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Otto wasn't using his true strength in the first fight, he was casually fighting them before he used his power.
After that Kiana did use the Void Renormalization since Durandal mentioned it, Otto mentioned they were relying in the power of the Herrscher of the Void and the renormalization, that's why they were capable of fighting Otto at first place since even at the begin Otto implied that's it's impossible to take down an infinite being as they were capable of fighting him at first place due to the power of HoV, Otto says that his power transcend herrschers so I wouldn't see why they will scale to him at all if they were weakening him at first place
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So ig they get back to high 1-C while finality kiana remains 1B or?
Yanina92
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Yeah I agree with 1-B Finality Kiana, remember that the trio was capable of injury Deliverance Kevin and he was hard to fight mainly due to his shield, and Kevin did mastered the authority of finality becoming much more powerful than the PE Herrscher of Finality, so he would be very close to the power of Kiana with the Cocoon of Finality for sure. He was hard to injure due to his STIGMA shield, but once it was broken the trio managed to hurt him without problems.
EINAKUROMU
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Ig this would also affect Herrscher of Thunder(Post-Elysian Realm)
Anyway... For Kiana, is it only High 1-C or High 1-C, 1-B with Void Authority/Hax(or just Hax) since she managed to disturb the laws of imaginary tree(even tho it's just miracle)?
Anyway... For Kiana, is it only High 1-C or High 1-C, 1-B with Void Authority/Hax(or just Hax) since she managed to disturb the laws of imaginary tree(even tho it's just miracle)?
Yanina92
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Yeah with the Void Authority, HoV Kiana already has it in her profile in her range part. I don't think that Mei became that strong in her Thunder form, remember that she fought casually against an simulation of Elysia but against Diabolic Kevin once he swing his blade it was over for her and the trio.Ig this would also affect Herrscher of Thunder(Post-Elysian Realm)
Anyway... For Kiana, is it only High 1-C or High 1-C, 1-B with Void Authority/Hax(or just Hax) since she managed to disturb the laws of imaginary tree(even tho it's just miracle)?
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Trio cast should be 1-B in Truth Origin and Finality keys rly
Weaver261
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First of all, we shouldn't take everything Otto said as factual truths since Otto is playing the role of villain to instigate conflicts to achieve his goal of reaching the tree. Imaginary Renormalization is only used at the moment when Otto entered infinity domain where Kiana blew him up with void power. As stated by Nagamitsu here, this can be only done at specific moment and not every moments. His power doesn't rly transcend herrschers. The only difference between false god otto and other herrschers is the supply of honkai energy. Otto established an active honkai supply channel to him. Even before using Imaginary Renormalization, Kiana and Bianka are throughly beating Otto. Don't take all of his yaps seriously since he is not some 2 dimensional villain who says everything that came into his mind.
Yanina92
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I don't see that is what happened, Otto is very explicit with them relying into the power of the Herrscher of the Void to stop him. Even with that Nagamitsu also mentioned that Otto can't unleash nearly infinite power as individual so I don't see why Kiana and Durandal would scale to an infinite power from the Imaginary Tree themselves.
Otto didn't use all his power in their first fight, in the second fight was when he empowered himself to fight them and Kiana already mentioned that she will try using the Herrscher of the Void power so she is clearly using it continuously as Otto reverted back into his normal form while fighting against them, which was obviously an product of the Imaginary Renormalization.
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