Homestuck Revision

[Promestein]

To get to the point, I disagree with the Low 1-B scaling.

Low 1-B is based off a feat from Problem Sleuth, when Demonhead Mobster Kingpin splits the universe and reveals the underlying quantum strings that compose reality. The relevant Homestuck characters are Low 1-B through scaling to this, through the belief that all of the MS Paint Adventures media shares the same canon. This doesn't fly for me; there's nothing indicating this. Problem Sleuth is repeatedly referenced in Homestuck, but only in the form of gags, and briefly being mentioned as a work of fiction. Now, maybe it actually canonically exists within the same setting as Homestuck, but there's no proof of that. I don't remember string theory or Problem Sleuth ever being referenced otherwise.

I think rating the relevant characters as "At least High 2-A, possibly much higher" would be better. Low 1-B is far too speculative for me.

The High 2-A feat is Lord English destroying Paradox Space, which transcends and connects Genesis Frogs (which contain infinite universes and infinite possibilities) and the Furthest Ring. I've seen some things about Horrorterrors transcending other Horrorterrors, but this seems to be more baseless speculation and not implied by anything in canon. My memory isn't the best, admittedly, but that's what I remember.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Hussie is referenced as the MSPA writer in the canon, so I'm not sure why Problem Sleuth would be fake while Homestuck would be real. If this is because Problem Sleuth is portrayed as possible fiction from a character's perspective at a certain point, so is Homestuck, within itself. Them being linked by the Furthest Ring is a strong possibility, since a Horrorterror is summoned in PS, and the exact same one is shown and mentioned by name in HS.

Even ignoring that and strictly going by Homestuck, LE would be well above High 2-A. Keep in mind this order might be a bit mixed, but the result is the same. Genesis Frogs contain all the endless possible versions of their universes, which is 2-A. Then you have discs and cartridges that contain all of that reality and exist in a realm where that is viewed as fictional, which is High 2-A. Alongside those, you have dream bubbles, which literally only exist to the horrorterrors as dreams, the furthest ring (which is where they only exist as dreams), and Hussiespace, where everything prior is fiction. That is a minimum of 1-C while lowballing the furthest ring, and assuming no other MSPA stories are real in Homestuck, and English casually murdered the creator of all of this.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That feel when two of the best Staff Members have equally good, yet conflicting arguments and I don't know which one to side with.

 

[Promestein]

I feel like it's better to go off of what's definite as opposed to taking things from conflicting continuities (eg. Godhead Pickle Inspector's role in the cosmology when Hussie exists). I'm not saying it's not a possibility, and I forgot about Fluthulu, but I still think it'd be better to go off of the feats in Homestuck. I wouldn't be against listing it as a possibility.

Oh, you're right. I forgot about that. I'd be fine with "At least 1-C, likely/possibly Low 1-B or far higher" or something to that effect.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I have no problem with "At least 1-C, likely Low 1-B, possibly far higher" or whatever variation of such sounds best.

 

[Promestein]

Sounds good! I can do that when I'm more awake and it's less late, then.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

And thus, it took Prom twice as long to edit Lord English's page as it did for her to edit the Genestealer page, or so the legend goes.

On a serious note, I realized the "possibly far higher" can just be "possibly higher", since both suggest 1-B, anyway.

 

[Promestein]

Have some faith, man.

 

[Promestein]

Look at that thing I did, when I said I would.