- 8,319
- 2,914
All of my favorite verses are 9-C i think homelander actually takes a dub in this thread guys....
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Homelander vs Your Favourite Characters/Verses - Let's Play "Kick the Homelander"
- Thread starter Random-Helper323
- Start date
LeoEpicGamer8910
They/Them- 6,527
- 2,861
- 8,319
- 2,914
The Walten Files pages are very outdated, but even with the updates none of them could hax him to death.
the only character that could technically kill him is Bon, who could transport his soul to wonderland and leave homelander there to slowly just vanish out of reality.
the only issue with that wincon is that bon has never shown to use it on someone who isn't incapacitated.
or i could go with the boring answer and say "Madness Combat" and he'd ******* explode from a less than brain dead fodder character looking at him wrong.
- 101
- 76
He could lose in TJOC.
- 8,319
- 2,914
it's a big could, and depends on if it's the modern or the classic versions (cuz fun fact, the 2024 versions are going on their own profiles!!!!)
- 101
- 76
Equal Stats they might have a chance. But using the keys in the thread, yeah they probably not surviving in their 2017 counterparts. The only hope is if the Ignited get some insane scaling in the Remake.
- 8,319
- 2,914
oh no quite the opposite.
2016 ignited technically stomp homelander with their madness manipulation since their deadly hallucinations work when they're reduced to small pieces.
2024 ignited don't have same busted hax the original ignited do, the only two characters that do are Foxy and the cupcakes, who can regenerate from literally anything homelander could throw at them, but they don't have any offensive haxes that'd allow them to kill homelander.
- 101
- 76
Ig, but against a Bloodlusted Homelander, he will most def blitz and one-shot the 2017 Ignited.
As for the 2024 Ignited, it will probably be a tie since the Ignited can regen from ashes, and Homelander has only dealt with people with Mid Regen, and has no ability or hax that can counter it. Also Ignited Freddy has Intangibility. I really hoping they get buffed more in the remake.
- 8,319
- 2,914
He can destroy them, but he literally cant do anything about them being alive anyways and making him go insane.
but TJOC is the boring answer to this question. they defo just kinda ball on him cuz they can't die.
- 2,496
- 1,397
Gonna skip all of the ones where he gets obviously stomped by fodder (Sonic, Kirby, Pokemon) in favor of more interesting ones:
Undertale: He could wreak havok on some of the weaker monsters before getting blitzed and killed by a Boss Monster
South Park: This could go so many different ways. But even if Homelander just demolishes the town of South Park and everyone in it, he's still gonna get mauled by Manbearpig or Satan
Breaking Bad: Homelander would sweep if not for the fact that Heisenberg is Walterversal
Stranger Things: The verse has what it takes to defeat Homelander, but they need precise planning and preparation for it. Otherwise Eleven gets blitzed and they're just screwed.
Undertale: He could wreak havok on some of the weaker monsters before getting blitzed and killed by a Boss Monster
South Park: This could go so many different ways. But even if Homelander just demolishes the town of South Park and everyone in it, he's still gonna get mauled by Manbearpig or Satan
Breaking Bad: Homelander would sweep if not for the fact that Heisenberg is Walterversal
Stranger Things: The verse has what it takes to defeat Homelander, but they need precise planning and preparation for it. Otherwise Eleven gets blitzed and they're just screwed.
- 101
- 76
Alright I've been scaling Classic Sonic for nearly a month now and I can confidently say-
Homelander when Hyper Sonic double jumps once:
Homelander after seeing Classic Sonic phasing through all of his laser beam attacks with well timed Insta-Shields:
Homelander after Classic Sonic uses the Blue Emerald to spawn clones of himself:
Homelander when Hyper Sonic double jumps once:
Homelander after seeing Classic Sonic phasing through all of his laser beam attacks with well timed Insta-Shields:
Homelander after Classic Sonic uses the Blue Emerald to spawn clones of himself:
- 2,496
- 1,397
Homelander after Classic Sonic breathes in his general direction
- 2,818
- 1,712
- 10,174
- 3,858
Kirby has an incredibly casual Planet Busting feat, IIRC.
Like, for a Mini-Game.
If Waddle Doo is even one sixth as strong, that'll be well in excess of anything Homelander can tank.
Waddle Doo's eye beams are stronger than Homelander's eye beams.
- 10,174
- 3,858
Sorry.
- 8,319
- 2,914
actually bullying murderers is ok.
- 4,767
- 5,249
No it's not.
- 8,319
- 2,914
Bowser pfp checks out.
- 2,755
- 500
Well, my favorite verse is Pokemon. Not much more I need to say. Anything more than a Baby Pokemon without Egg Moves or levels would make him look like the Hulk in Infinity War.
TegamiBachi25
He/Him- 739
- 245
I'm just thinking the fact he can just be destroyed by a Rattata because of game mechanics with endeavor
- 10,174
- 3,858
By our scaling, Rattata does not NEED Game Mechanics to beat Homelander.
Tier: At least 8-A, higher with Heat Vision and Rage Power
Raticate
Raticate is a Normal-type Pokémon introduced in the first generation. It evolves from Rattata, one of the first Pokémon a trainer can get, at level 20. It can gnaw through almost anything with its ever-growing fangs, and will bite a hand clean off if someone tries to touch its whiskers, which it...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Tier: At most Low 7-B | 7-B
Homelander's best chance, as it often is, is in his Heat Vision & Flight.
- Temperature Manipulation and Energy Projection (Heat Vision - He can easily slice cleanly through human's flesh and bones. Melts an SMG. Fries Madelyn Stillwell's brain. Gives Stormfront a third-degree burn. Slices a private jet in half. Heats up a rifle to 500° F, causing it to explode. Can match Butcher's heat vision, which is hot enough to burn even Soldier Boy's skin[6], who can withstand oxy-acetylene flames without any damage[14])
"an acetylene/oxygen flame burns at about 3,773 K (3,500 °C; 6,332 °F).[4]"
Homelander is assumed to match someone who upscales from no-selling that.
Rattata itself can't fly, although it can fight opponents that do fly.
As for tolerance of Heat, IDK if 1st stages have any crazy heat feats. (Probably. Melting Team Rocket's mechs had to have happened at least once, even if it was by trained Pokemon.)
The best it has, off the top of my head are from, in ascending order, Fennekin, Darumaka, Torchic, Numel & Larvesta:
Fennekin:
Darumaka:
Torchic:
Numel:
Larvesta:
| X | Eating a twig fills it with energy, and its roomy ears give vent to air hotter than 390 degrees Fahrenheit. |
|---|
Darumaka:
| Y | When it sleeps, it pulls its limbs into its body and its internal fire goes down to 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit. |
|---|
Torchic:
| Ruby | Torchic sticks with its Trainer, following behind with unsteady steps. This Pokémon breathes fire of over 1,800 degrees F, including fireballs that leave the foe scorched black. |
|---|
Numel:
| Scarlet | Magma of almost 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit courses through its body. When it grows cold, the magma hardens and slows it. |
|---|
Larvesta:
| Ultra Sun | When battling opponents, it sprays fire from its five horns. The max temperature of the flames can reach nearly 5,500 degrees Fahrenheit. |
|---|
Even without any of those, it might scale above Magby's heat feat, which is below 1st stages like Rattata, as Magby is a Baby Pokemon.
| Silver | It is found in volcanic craters. Its body temp. is over 1100 degrees, so don't underestimate it. |
|---|
The original temperature (In localizing from the original Japanese to English, temperatures are converted from celsius to fahrenheit, & height & weight are converted from metric to imperial, & sometimes rounded or given approximating qualifiers.) for Larvesta's feat is 3,000 Celsius. The "nearly" is likely 1 of said approximating qualifiers from the localization.
Anyway, TV Series Homelander's heat vision scales to matching someone who's heat vision could harm someone who could no-sell flames that should be 3,500 °C.
500 degrees hotter, which is only about a 6th hotter than Larvesta's feat.
Rattata could probably survive the heat vision, even independent of being higher tiered than Homelander.... But it probably wouldn't survive it sustainedly.
But with the tiers as is, it'd probably one-shot John in return.
Would be fun to see. Flying Superman rip-off terrifiedly fearing for his life, trying to evade a big, vicious purple rat while also trying to heat vision it as it dodges because it no-sold his punches.
Speed would probably need to be Equalized for it to be fair, though:
Speed: Hypersonic+[Statistics Values 2] (Saved Billy Butcher from the explosion of Madelyn's bomb vest[28]. Quickly disarms three terrorists and blitz a woman.[21] Catches up to and flies in conjunction with a Learjet 31 plane. Flew at Mach 1.5 when looking for Translucent[7]. Reached a Boeing 747 before F-16 fighter jets.[18] Stated that he broke the sound barrier when he was 8[12])
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Can dodge attacks from Magnemite and other Electric Pokémon) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than before, comparable to other Pokémon at this level, such as Charmeleon)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Can dodge attacks from Magnemite and other Electric Pokémon) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than before, comparable to other Pokémon at this level, such as Charmeleon)
Last edited:
- 2,496
- 1,397
Youngster Joey's "top %" Rattata is unironically top % in The Boys.By our scaling, Rattata does not NEED Game Mechanics to beat Homelander.
Tier: At least 8-A, higher with Heat Vision and Rage Power
Raticate
Raticate is a Normal-type Pokémon introduced in the first generation. It evolves from Rattata, one of the first Pokémon a trainer can get, at level 20. It can gnaw through almost anything with its ever-growing fangs, and will bite a hand clean off if someone tries to touch its whiskers, which it...
Tier: At most Low 7-B | 7-B
Homelander's best chance, as it often is, is in his Heat Vision & Flight.
The link highlights this text on Wikipedia:
- Temperature Manipulation and Energy Projection (Heat Vision - He can easily slice cleanly through human's flesh and bones. Melts an SMG. Fries Madelyn Stillwell's brain. Gives Stormfront a third-degree burn. Slices a private jet in half. Heats up a rifle to 500° F, causing it to explode. Can match Butcher's heat vision, which is hot enough to burn even Soldier Boy's skin[6], who can withstand oxy-acetylene flames without any damage[14])
an acetylene/oxygen flame burns at about 3,773 K (3,500 °C; 6,332 °F).[4]
Homelander is assumed to match someone who upscales from no-selling that.
Rattata can't fly, although it can fight opponents that do fly.
As for tolerance of Heat, IDK if 1st stages have any crazy heat feats. (Probably. Melting Team Rocket's mechs had to have happened at least once, even if it was by trained Pokemon.)
The best it has, off the top of my head are from, in ascending order, Fennekin, Darumaka, Torchic, Numel & Larvesta:
Fennekin:
X Eating a twig fills it with energy, and its roomy ears give vent to air hotter than 390 degrees Fahrenheit.
Darumaka:
Y When it sleeps, it pulls its limbs into its body and its internal fire goes down to 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Torchic:
Ruby Torchic sticks with its Trainer, following behind with unsteady steps. This Pokémon breathes fire of over 1,800 degrees F, including fireballs that leave the foe scorched black.
Numel:
Scarlet Magma of almost 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit courses through its body. When it grows cold, the magma hardens and slows it.
Larvesta:
Ultra Sun When battling opponents, it sprays fire from its five horns. The max temperature of the flames can reach nearly 5,500 degrees Fahrenheit.
Even without any of those, it might scale above Magby's heat feat, which is below 1st stages like Rattata, as Magby is a Baby Pokemon.
Silver It is found in volcanic craters. Its body temp. is over 1100 degrees, so don't underestimate it.
The original temperature (In localizing from the original Japanese to English, temperatures are converted from celsius to fahrenheit, & height & weight are converted from metric to imperial, & sometimes rounded or given approximating qualifiers.) for Larvesta's feat is 3,000 Celsius. The "nearly" is likely 1 of said approximating qualifiers from the localization.
Anyway, TV Series Homelander's heat vision scales to matching someone who's heat vision could harm someone who could no-sell flames that should be 3,500 °C.
500 degrees hotter, which is only about a 6th hotter than Larvesta's feat.
Rattata could probably survive the heat vision, even independent of being higher tiered than Homelander.... But it probably wouldn't survive it sustainedly.
But with the tiers as is, it'd probably one-shot John in return.
Would be fun to see. Flying Superman rip-off terrifiedly fearing for his life, trying to evade a big, vicious purple rat while also trying to heat vision it as it dodges because it no-sold his punches.
Speed would probably need to be Equalized for it to be fair, though:
Speed: Hypersonic+[Statistics Values 2] (Saved Billy Butcher from the explosion of Madelyn's bomb vest[28]. Quickly disarms three terrorists and blitz a woman.[21] Catches up to and flies in conjunction with a Learjet 31 plane. Flew at Mach 1.5 when looking for Translucent[7]. Reached a Boeing 747 before F-16 fighter jets.[18] Stated that he broke the sound barrier when he was 8[12])
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Can dodge attacks from Magnemite and other Electric Pokémon) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than before, comparable to other Pokémon at this level, such as Charmeleon)
- 10,174
- 3,858
Funnily enough, it's not even very good (Contrary to what Joey claims about his own Rattata.) in the Pokemon universe.
Individual values
NPC's Pokémon
- In Generation I, all NPC's Pokémon have the same DVs:
- Attack = 9
- Defense, Special, Speed = 8
- In Generation II, all Pokémon owned by the same NPC share the same DVs.
Bulbapedia's info is shamefully incomplete (As well as that of other sites; Finding IV info for other NPCs is apparently considered by some on various sites to be not worth the effort , as they seem to not cover Gen 3 & onwards, but....
| Youngster | 9 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 33 | 8.25 |
Sadly, the most recent Youngster Joey would be from HG/SS, AKA a Gen 4 game.
It's no better in HG/SS, where instead of a wonky scale from 0 to 15 with weird rules, it's just 0 to 31 & completely random. (& weird, but with player-obtainable-Pokemon-favouring rules.)
Joey's Rattata, his Rattata specifically, that he boasts so much about, is either middle of the road, or unsurpassably bad in terms of DVs/IVs.
You could literally go & find a Rattata in the grass, & depending on if it's Gen 2 or Gen 4 Joey, have a 50% or BETTER chance of that Rattata you randomly found after a moment of searching, to be better than Joey's.
The pain of trainer-class-set IVs.
Last edited:
- 2,014
- 2,424
Infinity Blade:
He could beat fodder like most Titans and might even beat one of the named Deathless in their first encounter with heat vision, since they don't have heat resistance, after encroaching on their land but once they spin the block on him after resurrecting like this he's gonna get cooked by whatever plan they come up with whether it be tearing him apart with a Black Hole from a Dark Ring or smiting him with lightning
He could beat fodder like most Titans and might even beat one of the named Deathless in their first encounter with heat vision, since they don't have heat resistance, after encroaching on their land but once they spin the block on him after resurrecting like this he's gonna get cooked by whatever plan they come up with whether it be tearing him apart with a Black Hole from a Dark Ring or smiting him with lightning
Last edited:
- 3,209
- 1,578
Homelander when he gets dropped into World of Darkness and tries bullying some luchador with facial deformities
- 2,755
- 500
That's his FIRST fight, mind you. You actually fight him multiple times in the game so long as you have his phone number.
Kazuma_kuwabara
He/Him- 4,869
- 2,304
Any random kid in Black Clover stomps him
- 2,362
- 1,309
- Thread starter
- #70
Youngster Joey's Ratatta does evolve to Raticate later, capping around level 35-ish in Gen 2. I don't know if it gets any EV's to strengthen it. Gen 2 was the generation of maxed EV's for all (hence the abundance of attackers which still have solid defence), which definitely helps.
- 2,755
- 500
And that's JUST Gen 2. HGSS has postgame refights.
Meaning he scales to Lance.
- 2,362
- 1,309
- Thread starter
- #72
For even the casual trainers you exchange numbers with? I know the phone contacts call you for rematches, and I know the boss trainers are stronger post-game, although I don't know how high the phone contacts level up in HGSS. It generally has a higher level curve than Gen 2, so it wouldn't surprise me.
- 2,755
- 500
Only certain characters do this, not every single one, but Joey is one of them.
- 281
- 218
Sonic the Hedgehog RIP. I can try to make it interesting by using Homelanders TV show version and by using idw as it's own continuity. I know idws canon but it has more grounded feats for Sonic that I thought were neat so I will pretend it is it's own thing. I also love Homelanders charecter so I will give him some leeway for the fun of it.
God tiers.) Homelander dies because 5A and ftl scaling means the ap gap is in the quadrillions while Homelander is over 20000 times slower. Wish I could say more but super Silver lifting the equivalent of all biomass on earth if it were metal with telekinesis is more impressive than anything in the boys by a wide margin. Super Sonic can also fly dozens of laps around the planet instantly so Homelander would get floored before he could even process anything.
Top tiers. ) Giant Zavok has a 6C calc for tipping an island and master overlord can destroy angel island. These guys are also comparable to base Sonic who is ftl due to deflecting lasers and outrunning Surge, so even if we use madam Stillwells statement of Homelander being immune to human weapons to get him to 7A it just doesn't matter.
High tiers.) Surge is a cyborg who is verbatim stated to be lightspeed and she can create enormous storms which puts her somewhere in tier 7. Sonic, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Starline etc scale to this meaning they all horrifically blitz Homelander so he can't do anything even if he were 7A.
Mid tiers.) Amy, Tails, Tangle and Whisper are examples of characters who fit into this tier. These characters occasionally keep up with Sonic. However the moment Sonic goes all out they get blitzed so they don't truly scale to him. That said this tier gets to 8A with high hypersonic speed due to matching a casual Sonic who can toss lances through steel, destroy robots the size of buildings and cross islands in seconds. Homelander is currently 8A as well and he should have high hypersonic speed due to going to space which would require mach 34 speeds for escaping the atmosphere. Finally Homelander wins because the stats are similar but Homelander has more and better abilities than than most people in this tier who have mundane powers like a stretchy tail or punching really hard.
Low tiers.) Sadly a 9B Motobug can't beat Homelander.but the low 2C ones can.
God tiers.) Homelander dies because 5A and ftl scaling means the ap gap is in the quadrillions while Homelander is over 20000 times slower. Wish I could say more but super Silver lifting the equivalent of all biomass on earth if it were metal with telekinesis is more impressive than anything in the boys by a wide margin. Super Sonic can also fly dozens of laps around the planet instantly so Homelander would get floored before he could even process anything.
Top tiers. ) Giant Zavok has a 6C calc for tipping an island and master overlord can destroy angel island. These guys are also comparable to base Sonic who is ftl due to deflecting lasers and outrunning Surge, so even if we use madam Stillwells statement of Homelander being immune to human weapons to get him to 7A it just doesn't matter.
High tiers.) Surge is a cyborg who is verbatim stated to be lightspeed and she can create enormous storms which puts her somewhere in tier 7. Sonic, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Starline etc scale to this meaning they all horrifically blitz Homelander so he can't do anything even if he were 7A.
Mid tiers.) Amy, Tails, Tangle and Whisper are examples of characters who fit into this tier. These characters occasionally keep up with Sonic. However the moment Sonic goes all out they get blitzed so they don't truly scale to him. That said this tier gets to 8A with high hypersonic speed due to matching a casual Sonic who can toss lances through steel, destroy robots the size of buildings and cross islands in seconds. Homelander is currently 8A as well and he should have high hypersonic speed due to going to space which would require mach 34 speeds for escaping the atmosphere. Finally Homelander wins because the stats are similar but Homelander has more and better abilities than than most people in this tier who have mundane powers like a stretchy tail or punching really hard.
Low tiers.) Sadly a 9B Motobug can't beat Homelander.
Last edited:
- 1,107
- 304
Ultrakill:Homelander gets killed by the 7-C's rather easily,and he gets stomped by Benjamin,the mid and low tiers he can definitely beat though.
Faith:The unholy trinity:the majority of the verse is 9-C,with only a few being 9-B,Homelander stomps,unless its characters that have possesion like Alu,Malphas or Astaroth.
Blasphemous:Eh,no,maybe? the verse is 9-A,though theres probably better feats in both DLC's and the second game.
Faith:The unholy trinity:the majority of the verse is 9-C,with only a few being 9-B,Homelander stomps,unless its characters that have possesion like Alu,Malphas or Astaroth.
Blasphemous:Eh,no,maybe? the verse is 9-A,though theres probably better feats in both DLC's and the second game.
- 2,362
- 1,309
- Thread starter
- #76
Would it be a good idea to set it up with him in-character and allow him to interact with the entire verse he's entering?
- 3,418
- 1,258
Captain Marvel. So not even in Homelander's dream he poses a slight threat, even in her weakest key she is many tiers above him.
White Fox. She is weaker than him physically but she has mind manipulation so she still wins.
Quake. Weaker physically but an earthquake on his heart is a guaranteed win so...
Any of those could make him suffer for all his crimes my favorite kind of torture would likely be Quake doing an earthquake on his heart until he starts crying like the little baby he is.
White Fox. She is weaker than him physically but she has mind manipulation so she still wins.
Quake. Weaker physically but an earthquake on his heart is a guaranteed win so...
Any of those could make him suffer for all his crimes my favorite kind of torture would likely be Quake doing an earthquake on his heart until he starts crying like the little baby he is.
Similar threads
