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High 6-C Fantasy Tournament Round 5: Asta vs Sigmar
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Sigmar's Ghal Maraz causes great pain to evil and spiritual beings as well, and iirc can basically vaporize anything like them so AP advantage isn't that important. Not to mention his Crown of Sorceries can absorb magic attacks and make him immune to most magic. Sigmar is also incredibly skilled mind you, and fought Nagash of all people, so he definitely has the upper hand in close quarters imo, and has experience fighting against magic users.
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ok i don't know if it would work to Asta since this is base form but even if he would work Asta has an immense pain tolerance,
Asta use anti magic a "magic" that nullify all magic i don't think he would be able to absorb it
ok and Asta can fight people stronger than him and thanks to the ki sensing Sigmar would not be able to land hits on him,
also he has reactive power level
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Magic in the context of Warhammer is manipulation of reality and bringing different spells forth from Aethyr, so even if Sigmar doesn't absorb it with Crown of Sorceries, he absolutely should still resist it due to it being general resistance and not exclusive to Aethyr due to how Aethyr is utilized in Warhammer itself.
He fought Nagash, who himself was unable to nullify it with his wide range of spells that could disable other creatures' powers, so anti-magic isn't helping Asta.
He fought Nagash, who himself was unable to nullify it with his wide range of spells that could disable other creatures' powers, so anti-magic isn't helping Asta.
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ok but still how Sigmar is supposed to hit Asta in close combat, since he can predict his movements?
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Because Sigmar is kind of stupid skilled. And since Asta I'm pretty sure is fused with a demon... yuh oh.
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Bloodthirsters have near-perfect Analytical Prediction with Witchsight and their own Instinctive Reactions and Sigmar could still beat them in combat. We were not sure if Sigmar's abilities could scale to having his own Instinctive Reactions/Analytical Prediction but at the very least, he can easily contend with people with those abilities.
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Probably should explain what the piss Witch Sight is cause not everyone is attuned to Warhammer Fantasy.
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Witchsight being able to see someone's thoughts and intentions as though they're tangibly visible, so essentially the Daemons of Khorne themselves should know what Sigmar's next move is yet Sigmar still defeats them.
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this is Base Asta not Black asta
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Thank. Funny that Base Asta stands more of a chance then Black Asta lol
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tough is ironic its because there are infinite scenarios in the fights
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Anti-Magic works on those with powernull resistance
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That works on a NEP 2, Abstract 1, and Concept 1 source?
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Sigmar has fought people with broken analytical prediction before. If Sigmar lands a hit, he is going to purify Asta's devil out of him if the light Ghal Moraz emits doesn't do it for him automatically, if nothing else his Devil is going to be immense pain and likely unable to assist Asta when he needs it.
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I haven't read any of the books, heck i barely even know the lore of sigmar who has he fought with broken analytical prediction? I kinda wanna remake that one loss on his profile.
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Bloodthirsters of Khorne. Shit thst doesn't apply to his High 8-C key
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following.
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Is Sigmar a magic user?
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Asta wouldn't be able to neg something that is NEP 2, Abstract 1, and generally uses concept 1 even if Sigmar did use magic.
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That's in the third key
And that didn't answer my question
And that didn't answer my question
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No, all Aethyr(AKA Warhammer Fantasy magic) is NEP 2 and Abstract 1. You need both to null Aethyr Manipulation
No. Do you see Aethyr Manipulation in Sigmar's second key?
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Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Type 2), Weapon Mastery (With a large War-hammer and Swords), Social Influencing (Sigmar was able to unite the constantly warring tribes of men under one banner, something considered impossible by most), Purification/Light Manipulation (Ghal Maraz emits a blinding purifying light), Pain Manipulation (The presence of Ghal Maraz causes spiritual beings pain), Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly; Ghal Maraz can destroy the essence of a Daemon even in the Realm of Chaos), Power Nullification (Immortality type 7 and 8 via Ghal Maraz), Fire Manipulation (Ghal Maraz can wreath itself in holy fire), Non-Physical Interaction (Ghal Maraz can interact with a Daemons true essence and various Abstract/non-existent beings), Durability Negation (Against spiritual beings), Shockwave Creation (Knocked down a whole room of people comparable to him by smashing his hammer into the ground)
Same as before plus Power Nullification (The Crown of Sorcery passively nullifies the effects of the winds of Magic), Energy Absorption (The Crown of Sorcery absorbs magical energies), Blessed (Ulrics blessings provides another layer of magical resistance and a massive strength/speed boost)
Same as before plus Power Nullification (The Crown of Sorcery passively nullifies the effects of the winds of Magic), Energy Absorption (The Crown of Sorcery absorbs magical energies), Blessed (Ulrics blessings provides another layer of magical resistance and a massive strength/speed boost)
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And none of that is actual magic by Warhammer Fantasy standards, and Asta would have to null NEP 2, Abstract 1, and Concept 1 to null the Crown of Sorcery anyway. Cause Nagash put a shard of his soul in it. Which souls are also Aethyr.
This is magic in Warhammer Fantasy.
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And why is it not listed in the profile?
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It is. Sigmar may be missing a bit but souls in Warhammer Fantasy are generally NEP 2 and Abstract 1 on top of being a Low 1-C distance away, the ladder isn't the case for the Crown of Sorcery cause there is an actual soul in there I believe. But the souls thing has been accepted for awhile.
Regardless Asta is left with his skill and whatever natural hax he has, cause Aethyr manip is "yes" in terms of supernatural by kinda being everything in some way shape or form.
And Sigmar outskills because Bloodthirsters are stupid skilled.
Regardless Asta is left with his skill and whatever natural hax he has, cause Aethyr manip is "yes" in terms of supernatural by kinda being everything in some way shape or form.
And Sigmar outskills because Bloodthirsters are stupid skilled.
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Literally none of it is listed
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It doesn't need to because it's literally a part of the Lore blog. Head out of ass. Now.
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He does. He resists Aethyr Manipulation in general. Which includes power null.
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In these cases the blog is shown in the profiles, as in jojo and steven universe
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The blog was a part of the Aethyr Manipulation page but was split. So it was accepted along with Aethyr Manipulation. I don't exactly see why, the page is easily accessible.
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Said Anti-Magic has to have NEP2 Interaction, Abstract interaction to just to be able to interact with it. Nagash himself couldn't even null it and he's the dude with NEP2/Abstract Interaction + 5-D hax including Power-Null, and the one who bloody made it. So whatever this anti-magic stuff is, it has to fill all the prerequisites of NEP2/Abstract Interaction + being superior to Nagash's own Power Null, which we know Asta doesn't.
Remember this is an artifact that allowed Sigmar to fight someone who'd otherwise be able to incapacitate him with passives and spell nuke him from miles away with 5-D hax, this crown is that good.
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