HE'S BACKKKK - Hazbin Hotel downgrades

[Vzearr]

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...uva_Boss_-_Robo_Fizz_dodges_a_sniper_2.0_(v2)​

The Problem:​

There is no evidence that Robo Fizz does a full 360 degree spin, it's a baseless assumption.​

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._in_slow_motion,_minimum_speed_of_Adam's_rays​

The Problem:​

This is wrong because they assume the dome is split equally in to 2. This can be proven with pixel scaling, however, the problem here is that the dome lost some of it's width (being split in two), an unquantifiable amount of width, which is why I believe something like using the frame count would be better.​

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._in_slow_motion,_minimum_speed_of_Adam's_rays​

The Problem:​

Where is the proof it happens in 1 frame?​

 

[DaReaperMan]

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...uva_Boss_-_Robo_Fizz_dodges_a_sniper_2.0_(v2)​

The Problem:​

There is no evidence that Robo Fizz does a full 360 degree spin, it's a baseless assumption.​

Do I honestly need to rehash my arguments from last time? But yes, this being the only calc in that tier is bad and new feats should be found to replace it or reinforce it... which can be done by someone else cause I am not a CGM and frankly I have other verses that need more tending to than Hazbin

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Minos_the_Judge/The_size_of_the_Hazbin_Hotel,_Adam_cuts_the_hotel,_Lucifer_catches_Charlie_in_slow_motion,_minimum_speed_of_Adam's_rays​

The Problem:​

This is wrong because they assume the dome is split equally in to 2. This can be proven with pixel scaling, however, the problem here is that the dome lost some of it's width (being split in two), an unquantifiable amount of width, which is why I believe something like using the frame count would be better.​

Calculation:​

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Minos_the_Judge/The_size_of_the_Hazbin_Hotel,_Adam_cuts_the_hotel,_Lucifer_catches_Charlie_in_slow_motion,_minimum_speed_of_Adam's_rays​

The Problem:​

Where is the proof it happens in 1 frame?​

These are probably fine though, I'll throw my agree hat into this.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Downgrades cannot pass in a Calc Group Thread, just to make this clear. You'll have to make a CRT afterward and get staff approval there after this one is finished.

However, I agree with the OP and the calculations are not usable.

While I do have other idea for calculations, especially for speed, I'm far too disinterested and busy with other verses to actually try.

 

[Vzearr]

Downgrades cannot pass in a Calc Group Thread, just to make this clear. You'll have to make a CRT afterward and get staff approval there after this one is finished.

Pretty sure they can, with admin/thread mod approval.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Pretty sure they can, with admin/thread mod approval.

Either way, ol' Robo Fizz was cosplaying a beyblade and moving as a blur, so 360° is a valid route to take.

 

[Vzearr]

Either way, ol' Robo Fizz was cosplaying a beyblade and moving as a blur, so 360° is a valid route to take.

That doesn't necessarily mean he spun 360 degrees within the distance he moved.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That doesn't necessarily mean he span 360 degrees within the distance he moved.

It didn't he'd be looking closer to Sonic(when he isnt spindashing) rather than just a blur...

However, you have visible colors, so now that I think about it, you could calculate the exact amount of degrees he moved, and that would be a far more acceptable alternative, yeah?

 

[TheRustyOne]

Pretty sure they can, with admin/thread mod approval.

I don't see that anywhere in our rules.

I'm against trying to bypass normal procedure.

Calc Group Thread are for discussing the validity of calculations, Content Revision Threads are for making changes to the profiles.

 

[Vzearr]

However, you have visible colors, so now that I think about it, you could calculate the exact amount of degrees he moved, and that would be a far more acceptable alternative, yeah?

That is what I suggested in my old thread, but now I realise that the colours aren't consistent.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That is what I suggested in my old thread, but now I realise that the colours aren't consistent.

They seemed pretty consistent to me, least near the end, but I don't have frame-by-frame to check to be sure

 

[Vzearr]

Downgrades cannot pass in a Calc Group Thread, just to make this clear. You'll have to make a CRT afterward and get staff approval there after this one is finished.

However, I agree with the OP and the calculations are not usable.

While I do have other idea for calculations, especially for speed, I'm far too disinterested and busy with other verses to actually try.

@Agnaa is this true? Apologies for the tag, you're the only supermod online currently.

The reason why I'm contesting it is because I've seen calc group threads passed without a crt. Perhaps I'm wrong though.

 

[Vzearr]

They seemed pretty consistent to me, least near the end, but I don't have frame-by-frame to check to be sure

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_2024-02-14_065857.png
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_2024-02-14_065922.png

 

[Agnaa]

Calc Group Discussion threads can determine the legitimacy of calcs. If there's any ensuing dispute about where exactly characters should land, a CRT will be necessary.

If there exist conflicting accepted calculations for the same feat, the calc group members should discuss which ones that are most reliable to use in their own forum. The calc group is free to ask for relevant information from reliable members, by using the knowledgeable members list for verses or the associated verse page list of supporters. After a decision has been reached, and the most reliable calculations have been selected, a discussion should be started in the content revision forum to decide which characters that should scale to the feats.

If there's no controversy, we can shortcut that process a little bit, tho.

 

[JnSteHar002]

Not sure if I have a problem w/Fizz's calc but pretty much agree on OP's opinion of Adam's calcs

 

[ShionAH]

Adams beam speed is not even being used, its not accepted why are we trying to downgrade something that is not accepted

Disagree on Robo-Fizz argument, he pretty much was doing a 360

 

[Vzearr]

Adams beam speed is not even being used, its not accepted why are we trying to downgrade something that is not accepted

It's on the page.

Disagree on Robo-Fizz argument, he pretty much was doing a 360

This isn't a debunk.

 

[ShionAH]

It's on the page.

Read the statistics value.

This isn't a debunk.

Because this argument was already debunked before

 

[Vzearr]

Because this argument was already debunked before

Good debunk.

 

[Robo432343]

Read the statistics value.

What the page says>statistic value

 

[Vzearr]

Bump. Btw, do we know where the characters would scale if this thread gets passed?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Other calcs on the Verse page are all Subsonic.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bump. Btw, do we know where the characters would scale if this thread gets passed?

To Robo Fizz? Everyone.

I can already tell you that it's better to look into Helluva Boss for replacement feats, cause Hazbin rarely has fights in that regard.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Other calcs on the Verse page are all Subsonic.

Keep in mind the verse page was last updated with Helluva feats properly at like, Episode 5 of currently 22. It's not too reliable in that regard

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Off the top of my head to avoid Subsonic Hell we have Robot Fizz catching a bullet:



And Stolas dodging a bullet:

 

[Homie890]

interesting.

 

[Vzearr]

Bump.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

bump

 

[Vzearr]

Bump.

 

[Vzearr]

Bump.

 

[JnSteHar002]

Bump.

If this get's passed, I believe the highest any HH/HB characters would scale to is roughly town level and FTL. Though, there's a new Stolas calc that could put him and anyone above him at solar system, but I'm not sure if it's even been accepted by a CM or proven as a non-outlier.

 

[Homie890]

If this get's passed, I believe the highest any HH/HB characters would scale to is roughly town level and FTL. Though, there's a new Stolas calc that could put him and anyone above him at solar system, but I'm not sure if it's even been accepted by a CM or proven as a non-outlier.

FTL?
Solar system?

 

[JnSteHar002]

FTL?
Solar system?

Yeah, they both come from ep 2 of HB when Stolas sings that lullaby for Octavia and they teleport to a dying star. There's already a calc that put's Stolas' flying speed and possibly others at FTL. A new calc puts Stolas at solar system level for resisting the gravity of said star; so far, it hasn't even been accepted nor has it been cleared/established of being an outlier.

Here's the FTL

Collection of Vivziepop Calculations

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is the potential SL - Gravity one (kinda crazy)

Stolas ignoring the gravity of a dying star

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah, they both come from ep 2 of HB when Stolas sings that lullaby for Octavia and they teleport to a dying star. There's already a calc that put's Stolas' flying speed and possibly others at FTL. A new calc puts Stolas at solar system level for resisting the gravity of said star; so far, it hasn't even been accepted nor has it been cleared/established of being an outlier.

Here's the FTL

Collection of Vivziepop Calculations

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is the potential SL - Gravity one (kinda crazy)

Stolas ignoring the gravity of a dying star

vsbattles.fandom.com

Where was FTL accepted?

 

[ShionAH]

A new calc puts Stolas at solar system level for resisting the gravity of said star; so far, it hasn't even been accepted nor has it been cleared/established of being an outlier.

Lucifer and Angels can create their own Solar Systems so its consistent asf

 

[JnSteHar002]

Where was FTL accepted?

I honestly don't know; just assumed since it's on Stolas' profile and scales to a few others (Lucifer, Adam, Bee)

Lucifer and Angels can create their own Solar Systems so its consistent asf

I believe that specific instance was talked about in a HH thread. I don't remember what conclusion they came to but do recall they thought it could makes sense but it was also very vague.

 

[Homie890]

Bee

Who is Bee?
Bee happy

 

[JnSteHar002]

Who is Bee?
Bee happy

Short for Beelzebub, ruler of Gluttony, Tex's girlfriend and voiced by Kesha

 

[DaReaperMan]

Lucifer and Angels can create their own Solar Systems so its consistent asf

Which doesn't scale to AP cause Hazbin has no UES~

 

[ShionAH]

Which doesn't scale to AP cause Hazbin has no UES~

Of course not, but still makes the cosmic feats consistent

 

[Vzearr]

Bump.