Helltaker Downgrade

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I also feel this need to be solved quick as right now this revision got dragged too long

The thing is Yuri is officially leaved VSBW so we're gonna have a problem

 

[Antvasima]

@Sir_Ovens @Ogbunabali

Would you be willing to help out here again please?

 

[lyric]

No, she isn't. Unless you have some feats I don't know of.

Well there’s author statements that said judgement is stronger.

 

[azontr]

Well there’s author statements that said judgement is stronger.

Okay. What feats put Beelzebub at 9-B was the question though.

 

[lyric]

Just wait until Van has one of the girls make a solar system sized fortress.

Then they'll really be on the level of 40K lol.

I do not remember any feats of that level.

It’s just author statements. He said from strongest to weakest is judgement, beel, Lucifer/Justice.

 

[azontr]

It’s just author statements. He said from strongest to weakest is judgement, beel, Lucifer/Justice.

OK.

Why are they 9-B though?

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[azontr]

Nothing has been applied yet and technically there is still a debate about a few bits.

The removal of "At least" for tier and AP, Social Influencing, Resurrection, Portal Creation, Extrasensory Perception, Immortality and Resistance to Disease, Perception and Death Manip are mostly uncontested.

Only the removal of Plot/Time Manip (level skipping) has an onging debate.

Resistance to Disease, Perception and Acid manip might be vaible though due to a pair of official comics released on twitter.

If I've missed anything, someone please feel free to correct me.

I believe all of this needs to be discussed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[azontr]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[Antvasima]

So what have our staff members accepted here so far then?

 

[azontr]

You'll have to call the staff who have argued for that. Except for QuasiYuri as they have taken their leave.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like they have largely agreed.

@Saikou_The_Lewd_King

Are you willing to apply what has been accepted here?

 

[lyric]

OK.

Why are they 9-B though?

I don’t think I ever made the claim they were. More so saying how others do compare to beel. But I’m guessing it’s wall level cause of the helltaker pushing the boulders that are his size. As well as beel making a castle

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like they have largely agreed.

@Saikou_The_Lewd_King

Are you willing to apply what has been accepted here?

@Saikou_The_Lewd_King

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump?

 

[Antvasima]

Would somebody else who knows how to edit properly, and what to apply here, be willing to handle this instead?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

If you just want someone to apply the proposed changes, I can handle that no problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, apply the changes that have been accepted above. I don't remember if there have been changes along the way.

Anyway, thank you for helping out. Feel free to do so then.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, so I will be applying everything in the OP, as that was mostly uncontested, but I would like to ask if I can add the following as well;

• Resistance to Disease, Perception and Acid manip might be vaible though due to a pair of official comics released on twitter.

They are kinda minor resistances and have official scans as support.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that we can consider comics only released via Twitter as official. My apologies.

 

[azontr]

How so? They are made by the author and I don't see any arguments to argue they aren't Canon.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, finished applying the changes.


If this thread has taught be anything, it's don't bother with making Helltaker revisions. Which is a shame, cause I had a couple things I wanted to add.

 

[Antvasima]

How so? They are made by the author and I don't see any arguments to argue they aren't Canon.

If they are not officially published, they are too close to fan works, although if the copyright owner created them it is a gray area.

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, finished applying the changes.

Thank you. Should I close this thread then?

If this thread has taught be anything, it's don't bother with making Helltaker revisions. Which is a shame, cause I had a couple things I wanted to add.

What kind of things?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

If they are not officially published, they are too close to fan works, although if the copyright owner created them it is a gray area.

Pretty sure the comics are posted to the creators personal twitter. Does that make it better?

 

[azontr]

If they are not officially published, they are too close to fan works, although if the copyright owner created them it is a gray area.

They are not fan works. Vanripper, the creator of the helltaker game, posts the comics on his personal Twitter. Calling them fan works makes no sense, my friend.

 

[Antvasima]

Pretty sure the comics are posted to the creators personal twitter. Does that make it better?

Only if he owns the copyright to it.

 

[Antvasima]

They are not fan works. Vanripper, the creator of the helltaker game, posts the comics on his personal Twitter. Calling them fan works makes no sense, my friend.

Okay. If he owns the game, I suppose that it is probably fine, but you should upload the evidence to Imgur and link to it, or use a reference instead.

 

[azontr]

Okay. If he owns the game, I suppose that it is probably fine, but you should upload the evidence to Imgur and link to it, or use a reference instead.

You can search it up yourself and every source will tell you that Vanripper made the game. He also had no help and it was completely by himself, so nobody could own it barring him.

The Wikipedia page on the game confirms this.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Is linking to specific tweets alright?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then it should probably be fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Is linking to specific tweets alright?

No. They can easily be taken down. Use references or linked single scans instead.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, brb.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, here's what I got.

Resistance to Disease and Perception Manip were both removed on the basis that there was no proof he functioned normally in the Abyss. These comics, posted after the thread was abandoned made show he does in fact function normally, after an unknown length of time. They also show him getting acid on his hand with almost no reaction.

This comic displays Lucy's shapeshifting, which is already on her profile, so I'll just go change the link.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Sick. I'll just get that added and then we're done here.

For now, at least.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done, and I should close this thread.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Let's just be done with this thread. I've finished applying the revisions discussed here, and would rather just not have this in the back of my mind anymore.