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[DaReaperMan]

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What I be doin':

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Al is definitely superior to Adam in speed, Im so tired of people saying hes not, literally the only 2 things adam has on Al is power and the need for angelic weapons

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

A day after this CRT was made lol

can we stop making profiles for characters that barely have any feats and probably won't get anymore?



I say, as I make a profile for someone's Dad who mostly just scales to his son, and whose best physical feat he did is eating a baby raccoon

 

[Mythic381]

What I be doin':

Accidentally deleted it, anyways you just bored.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I'm generally fine with everything besides the Adam/Alastor stuff.

As in sections with then or every single thing related to them or what?

 

[Mythic381]

I say, as I make a profile for someone's Dad who mostly just scales to his son, and whose best physical feat he did is eating a baby raccoon

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[TheOrangeGuy09]

You absolutely are one. he has a 50/50 chance of not liking it though. Or not liking it very much. Calling someone an "Ace in the Hole" can mean like four different things including Alastor just being Aromantic not Asexual, or he could be Greyromantic or Greysexual. Or he can be any combination of the four. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

WHAT

 

[Comiphorous]

As in sections with then or every single thing related to them or what?

The only stuff i disagree in the alastor section is the tier 7 stuff and specifically the blood manipulation as that looks more like he stabbed his hand. Everything else looks fine.

Adam stuff i disagree with any removal of Adam being superior to Alastor and his weapons getting a far higher since the reasoning you gave didn't relate to Adam at all. Everything else looks fine.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Blow up the verse.

Finally someone had brains to offer that.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The only stuff i disagree in the alastor section is the tier 7 stuff and specifically the blood manipulation as that looks more like he stabbed his hand. Everything else looks fine.

Just last specific - didn’t you agree with shadow downscaling? IIRC you were only attacking tentacles like Reaper.

 

[DaReaperMan]

WHAT

You know what explaining the joke makes it not funny I'm just going to enjoy your reaction lol

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Adam should have "superior to Al" removed for speed considering all the evidence that shows the exact opposite

 

[Comiphorous]

Just last specific - didn’t you agree with shadow downscaling? IIRC you were only attacking tentacles like Reaper.

I'd feel better if it were a possibly rating, but it won't kill me if it doesn't.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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smth smth, it's for a Animated Verse about a Hotel and mythical creatures,

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

does no one liek my ideors....

the problem is that Adam is so far into 7-C, he's almost town level+.
To get to L7C (Either to baseline or Small town+), Al would be below adam by 44.91 times or 13.2088235294 times and i'm not quite sure that's what's portrayed here with Oranges arguments

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

the problem is that Adam is so far into 7-C, he's almost town level+.

I said this earlier and I'll say this again. I'm surprised we haven't upscales Adam and Lucifer to Town+ considering how close it is, (Around 1.17x) and the fact that Adam and Lucifer apparently upscale from that calc (according to profile)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I said this earlier and I'll say this again. I'm surprised we haven't upscales Adam and Lucifer to Town+ considering how close it is, (Around 1.17x) and the fact that Adam and Lucifer apparently upscale from that calc (according to profile)

yeah, i'd definitely go for it (I was actually planning on it), especially since in no way should Adam Destroying Pentious, a very casual feat, be his limit.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Or maybe just get an actual good recalc of hotel+hill splitting feat.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Or maybe just get an actual good recalc of hotel+hill splitting feat.

Can that even be below High 7-C? I dunno how to do the maths, would like to learn, but even just eye balling it and knowing Adams beams have both a vaporization on direct hits and Vfrag/pulverization for indirect, can it even go below High 7-C?

the problem is that Adam is so far into 7-C, he's almost town level+.
To get to L7C (Either to baseline or Small town+), Al would be below adam by 44.91 times or 13.2088235294 times and i'm not quite sure that's what's portrayed here with Oranges arguments

I mean, once again, Al could definitely scale to at least small town, because regardless of how much you buy him throwing Adam around, Adam wasn't no-selling ANY of ALs attacks, sure, he literally can't take damage due to being an angel, but Al was still pressing him more than a baseline 8-A should be able to against a guy who is easily 7-C+ to High 7-C, the gap literally doesn't make sense for AL to not be somewhere in that range

BTW, can someone tell me specifically why we cant use Voxs feat again? The city blackout was anywhere from town to mountain level, but is it because of storage or something? I've seen 7-C Catnap on CSAP due to horrendously misunderstanding battery capacity/degradation, but isn't the blackout itself supposed to be a narritve way to show power?

Val and Vel even get shocked, so Vox can clearly use the energy he absorbs as an attack, so my question is: what are the rules on electricity? Is it like lighting rules where having a ground means you don't handle the full brunt? (I also don't fully understand lightning either though)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Can that even be below High 7-C? I dunno how to do the maths, would like to learn, but even just eye balling it and knowing Adams beams have both a vaporization on direct hits and Vfrag/pulverization for indirect, can it even go below High 7-C?

IDK but it has to be calced.
Lowest i've seen it is 7-C to a degree that's lower than adam's current scaling

I mean, once again, Al could definitely scale to at least small town, because regardless of how much you buy him throwing Adam around, Adam wasn't no-selling ANY of ALs attacks, sure, he literally can't take damage due to being an angel, but Al was still pressing him more than a baseline 8-A should be able to against a guy who is easily 7-C+ to High 7-C, the gap literally doesn't make sense for AL to not be somewhere in that range

I'm saying he can't downscale that low due to high Adam is into 7-C.

BTW, can someone tell me specifically why we cant use Voxs feat again? The city blackout was anywhere from town to mountain level, but is it because of storage or something? I've seen 7-C Catnap on CSAP due to horrendously misunderstanding battery capacity/degradation, but isn't the blackout itself supposed to be a narritve way to show power?

Val and Vel even get shocked, so Vox can clearly use the energy he absorbs as an attack, so my question is: what are the rules on electricity? Is it like lighting rules where having a ground means you don't handle the full brunt? (I also don't fully understand lightning either though)

We can't because there's a thread that we can't use power outage feats

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I'm saying he can't downscale that low due to high Adam is into 7-C.

so Al CAN be 7-C outright then?

We can't because there's a thread that we can't use power outage feats

Damn, link? I need to see the reasoning

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

so Al CAN be 7-C outright then?

Yea, that's what this whole CRT is all about

Damn, link? I need to see the reasoning

IDK it but Orange knows it by heart as it's the reason the guys ain't H7A

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Yea, that's what this whole CRT is all about

Right...so does AL scale all round or just magic? Idk if we got to that consensus, it seems pretty here or there with what people believe. I think that until overlords are shown to be glass cannons, we can't just assume that they are. Then again, Al vs Vox shall enlighten us to that fact whenever that ep releases, kiiiinda hoping that we get good feats by the first 2 though

IDK it but Orange knows it by heart as it's the reason the guys ain't H7A

I'll find it later

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Damn, link? I need to see the reasoning

Power outage calculations

Introduction We all know calculations like these. I believe these calculations are flawed, and shouldn't be calculated, heres why: I don't think that you would necessarily need to apply the amount of energy required to power a place for a day to cause an outage to that place for a day. Wouldn't...

vsbattles.com

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Zyurtunder13]

A day after this CRT was made lol

No? Her profile was created in October 2024

 

[Kellex]

No? Her profile was created in October 2024

Bruh I need to get my glasses checked

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

burp

 

[Alexander]

okay so, YES ALASTOR STILL HAS THE HOLE ON HIS CHEST

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

okay so, YES ALASTOR STILL HAS THE HOLE ON HIS CHEST

I guess I'll have to watch the Season 2 sooner until I get a gazillion of spoilers...

 

[Zyurtunder13]

I guess I'll have to watch the Season 2 sooner until I get a gazillion of spoilers...

Your CRT was mediocre anyways

 

[Mythic381]

First instance she didn't get blitzed, she was flying towards Vaggie and Adam just intercepted her, and for the second instance, I highly doubt she was actually blitzed, rather she was fighting Adam for a couple seconds and couldn't hold her own against him.

Also, an Adam that was directly looking at Charlie also got blitzed by her.

I'd like to point out that I'm not put as disagreeing for this specific part.

His Death Manipulation should either be Limited or change to Plant Manipulation, as it is shown only on rose and he never showed it against living beings, even in his fight against General of Exorcists, which would have been illogical if he actually had it.

This too as I mentioned my reason.

• Blood Manipulation (Made a drop of blood fall out of his hand)

Looking at this again, I disagree. His nails/claws are shown to be very sharp, so the motion he did likely caused his hand to simply bleed.

Additionally, as @Anonymous_Learner proposed here, their Power Null should be removed for all but Striker's rope as it is made specifically for Striker to catch Stolas. Same with Non-Physical Interaction.

Also mentioned disagreements with this.

• Her physical AP should not scale to 7-C, only with magic and pitchfork. Her only physical feat was done by amplifying her hand, her another feat was done via Pitchfork.

Honestly I don't really see a reason for this, it's already put on her profile as Transformation, so that feels useless.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Honestly I don't really see a reason for this, it's already put on her profile as Transformation, so that feels useless.

Even her transformed form has 0 physical feats in AP, except when she amps her hand with that red thingy. This means she can't just punch with 7-C energy casually, only when she amplifies her hand.

I'll add it all though.

 

[Mythic381]

Even her transformed form has 0 physical feats in AP, except when she amps her hand with that red thingy. This means she can't just punch with 7-C energy casually, only when she amplifies her hand.

Charlie's transformations are triggered by her emotions and she was mad in that scene, which leads me to believe that she rather has levels to her transformations than that she amplifies her arms with magic.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Charlie's transformations are triggered by her emotions and she was mad in that scene, which leads me to believe that she rather has levels to her transformations than that she amplifies her arms with magic.

Huh? She was happy she was saved, but then saw him flying to attack Lucifer so she decided to block it. I don't think she was more mad than Vaggie being dragged in a fight and Charlie being unable to help her, and it seemed more like a concious activation.

Even if you're right, then it would then be "7-C with Transformation and Rage Power".

 

[Mythic381]

Huh? She was happy she was saved, but then saw him flying to attack Lucifer so she decided to block it.

Look at her reaction when she sees Adam flying towards Lucifer who isn't paying attention to him

I don't think she was more mad than Vaggie being dragged in a fight and Charlie being unable to help her, and it seemed more like a concious activation.

Which is what led me to the argument that she has levels to her demon form and that she hasn't achieved her true full demon form.

Even if you're right, then it would then be "7-C with Transformation and Rage Power".

Technically we see all demon forms be triggered by emotions, so not so much different.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Look at her reaction when she sees Adam flying towards Lucifer who isn't paying attention to him

And she was still mad after that yet her hand was normal.

Which is what led me to the argument that she has levels to her demon form and that she hasn't achieved her true full demon form.

Huh? The argument is that she was more mad with Vaggie being dragged away than him just flying to attack, yet she still didn't have red hand.

Technically we see all demon forms be triggered by emotions, so not so much different.

Fair.

 

[Mythic381]

And she was still mad after that yet her hand was normal.

If you mean here then she clearly looks way more calm than when she was reacting to Adam and the rest of the episode she's way calmer.

Huh? The argument is that she was more mad with Vaggie being dragged away than him just flying to attack, yet she still didn't have red hand.

I don't recall Charlie actually being angry in the fight at all about Vaggie, when Vaggie was first knocked down by Lute she looks worried rather then angry.

When Adam threatened her that she will die with all of them and Vaggie was incapable of saving her, she looks sad rather than angry.

There isn't really a scene when she's more mad, unless I'm missing something.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

• He scales in durability in Demon Form as he can tank his amplified tentacles as they are physically connected to his body, thus he would have to take the energy they do while performing the aforementioned feats.

• He should have Low 7-C Environemtal Destruction due to this. It should also note that it was done pretty casually as he was not taking Pentious seriously at all.

Elaborated slightly more on durability + added Environmental Destruction for AP via old Low 7-C calc.