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[Mythic381]

Alastor was also confident dealing with Lucifer. Yes, there IS PRECEDENT for him to play with fire and be confident in areas he could get crushed in. He just got burned with Adam.

Confident in dealing with him, not fighting him, he knows Lucifer wouldn't try to kill him, he loves his daughter and Alastor is a big part of the hotel.

You say Alastor isn't so confident as to screw with someone he knows can **** him up, but Lucifer is literally exactly that.

Except he's fighting Adam, someone who would be way below Lucifer, considering he's known to him as just a human becoming winner.

I'm talking about the tentacle slams. The ones he showed zero damage from and the most you got was him making an aggravated noise.

Showing signs of pain and squeaking is taking zero damage?

 

[Mythic381]

The fact that they have remnants of their souls already proves that souls are jot actually erased. Forgot to put that into OP.

Literally at the same time, Vivziepop agrees that their soul gets erased and that there's "remnants of their souls" tis is funny to me.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

You cant in the very same OP try to downgrade the Imps for barely surviving a blast and then turn around and try to scale Alastor to someone who also left him just surviving an attack.

Oh and also Alastor got one-shot without Demon Form. His base Durability is still Tier 8, only Demon Form is Tier 7.

Showing signs of pain and squeaking is taking zero damage?

You’d be surprised by how many times people argued that the shadow harming him was him “totally unharmed” and all of those faces, growling, taking couple of steps back and being shocked were just met with “nuh uh”. So I ain’t that surprised by this.

Literally at the same time, Vivziepop agrees that their soul gets erased and that there's "remnants of their souls" tis is funny to me.

Idk maybe I’m not hearing her right? I don’t hear “souls cease to exist”. What’s the exact wording? That might help.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Some things I’ve forgotten to add:

• General of Exorcists should have “far higher” with weapons because as we saw with Charlie, weapons >>> users physically.
• Vaggie does not have immense upscaling from Sir Pentious like Alastor does, so that should be removed too (correct me if I’m wrong).
• Characters with АWs as equipment should upscale from the cast like Al does, since they pretty much one-shot the Sinners all the time and are narratively way superior.

I’ll also add this and the votes later when I get to PC.

 

[Mythic381]

Idk maybe I’m not hearing her right? I don’t hear “souls cease to exist”. What’s the exact wording? That might help.

It's not her that says it, basically in this clip:

Someone: So their soul just ceases to exist?

Vivziepop: Yeah.

She then basically tries to expand on the point mentioning that remnants of their blood and soul become part of the foundation of this "evil energy and hell."

 

[Mythic381]

• General of Exorcists should have “far higher” with weapons because as we saw with Charlie, weapons >>> users physically.
• Vaggie does not have immense upscaling from Sir Pentious like Alastor does, so that should be removed too (correct me if I’m wrong).
• Characters with АWs as equipment should upscale from the cast like Al does, since they pretty much one-shot the Sinners all the time and are narratively way superior.

Agree to all.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It's not her that says it, basically in this clip:

Bruh how the hell did I miss that

She then basically tries to expand on the point mentioning that remnants of their blood and soul become part of the foundation of this "evil energy and hell."

Yeah sure.

I’m changing the OP to just make Soul Nuke link to the correct time stamp then. Though it should still be labeled as limited since it happens only after the Sinner dies, it doesn’t ignore durability and allat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes, you should. Holding back is never stated, and if you have no statement or indications of casual faces during the fight, then it is just a fanfic that you can post on AO3 at best.
Loving something ≠ you hold back in it. A person loves playing sports and enjoys them - does this mean he will hold back?
You also completely ignored that he was mad the entire fight. Knowing his character, if he was holding back and got mad, he would just stomp him the very second. But he was: 1) shocked after Al dodged; 2) mad throughout the entire fight; 3) shocked when he got harmed.

Is playing said sports the highlight of their entire year? Does that player have a history of ******* around both before and after the fact? Adam wasn't even firing beams, he wasn't being at all serious with Alastor until the end when Alastor got his cane one-shot and then himself one-shot.

But hey, we both know neither of us are going to concede on this point.

Blocking the attack quite literally means you react to it? And yes, weakened Alastor got blitzed. There’s a reason he left the fight despite not caring much about the wound.

Congratulations, now you know exactly how dumb you claiming Lucifer blitzing Adam looks. If you get to use dog ass arguments

Tell me you didn’t read the OP without saying you didn’t read the OP!

I watched the scene before responding, Orange. I know exactly what I was saying.If you don't like that I actually double-check my shit when it comes to CRTs, tough, because I do.

Also, don't use Igmur. Imgur is banned in the UK. Use Imgchest.

So I’ll just put you agree for everything except for Vox who I can probably put you as neutral with specification that you just want to wait for Season 2 and Alastor who you as expected don’t agree. OK.

Yes.

False equivalence, there he knew that Charlie being around means he is 101% saved.

Considering part of your arguments here is that Charlie is blitzed by both Lucifer and Alastor, she can't do a damn thing about it until after the fact.

Yeah, and I never denied it? He is indeed inferior to him, except that being inferior ≠ you can’t downscale.

The whole fight becomes massively illogical if he would get blitzed and one-shotted any time but even ANGRY General of Exorcists didn’t do that. This is NOT in his character at all.

There's downscaling, then there's being so far below your opponent that your big shield gets one-shot and the source of most of your power gets one-shot. And being angry doesn't necessarily mean he's not screwing around. I want you to compare Adam vs Lucifer and Adam vs Alastor, and tell me with a straight face he's serious with Al.

He noticeably squeaked and showed signs of pain on face. Are we going for these semantics again like "this is definitely a very unbothered face!"?

Now you're literally lying. Adam made no sound when he was grabbed. This doesn't even have the shadow sneak attack making Adam make a noise, he literally does nothing until after the attack when he makes his aggravated sound.

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I'm ignoring you because ya think rewording the same points isn't noticed. It is.

Anyways, agree to disagree. Let mods sort it out. I'll go get some.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

But hey, we both know neither of us are going to concede on this point.

Yes, we argued about that for trillion years already.

Now you're literally lying. Adam made no sound when he was grabbed. This doesn't even have the shadow sneak attack making Adam make a noise, he literally does nothing until after the attack when he makes his aggravated sound.

I meant the squeaking sound when Alastor restrained him, not from him but like from tentacle and his body.

Anyways, agree to disagree. Let mods sort it out. I'll go get some.

Sure, and thanks for help with mods.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I meant the squeaking sound when Alastor restrained him, not from him but like from tentacle and his body.

I watched the clip literally five minutes ago, and that's actually where I was listening for the sound when there wasn't a lot of audio overload. There's nothing.

What you're hearing is a squelch. As in a tentacle squelch.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I watched the clip literally five minutes ago, and that's actually where I was listening for the sound when there wasn't a lot of audio overload. There's nothing.

What you're hearing is a squelch. As in a tentacle squelch.

Oh right, my English isn’t the best so that’s my bad.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Vaggie does not have immense upscaling from Sir Pentious like Alastor does, so that should be removed too (correct me if I’m wrong).

She was an Exorcist, and since we don't treat them being invincible as like a hax thing, do think Vaggie has enough upscaling to reach 8-A, at least in terms of durability.

 

[Mythic381]

I'm ignoring you because ya think rewording the same points isn't noticed. It is.

Ok? Did not have to mention it if you were just going to ignore it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

She was an Exorcist, and since we don't treat them being invincible as like a hax thing, do think Vaggie has enough upscaling to reach 8-A, at least in terms of durability.

I guess, it’s just the fact that she is fallen suggested to me that she may have gotten physically weakened, especially since no-one referred to her as invincible, even after they got to know the truth.

But yeah since it’s a possibility, I’ll just propose it as a “maybe” downgrade and let mods decide.

 

[Mythic381]

But yeah since it’s a possibility, I’ll just propose it as a “maybe” downgrade and let mods decide.

Any mods that have been asked to comment on this yet?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I guess, it’s just the fact that she is fallen suggested to me that she may have gotten physically weakened, especially since no-one referred to her as invincible, even after they got to know the truth.

But yeah since it’s a possibility, I’ll just propose it as a “maybe” downgrade and let mods decide.

It's mainly that she hasn't been in many fights, and the few ones she had were against 1) an Overlord with an angelic weapon and 2) Exorcists, a.k.a fights where her so-called "invincibility" wouldn't matter.

Plus, Lucifer is a fallen Angel and that didn't seem to affect his strength at all.

 

[ShionAH]

Though it should still be labeled as limited since it happens only after the Sinner dies, it doesn’t ignore durability and allat.

Nah, thats not how limited work. Its still fully soul erasure and morality manipulation, it just takes affect after a “lethal” blow

 

[Mythic381]

Nah, thats not how limited work. Its still fully soul erasure and morality manipulation, it just takes affect after a “lethal” blow

Is it really fully if there's still remnants of the soul?

 

[ShionAH]

Is it really fully if there's still remnants of the soul?

Its already explained on the page the remnant (evil energy) is disrupted and released while the rest of the soul is erased. Its more of a Soul and Morality Manipulation mix rather than being a Limited Soul Manipulation

 

[Mythic381]

Its already explained on the page the remnant (evil energy) is disrupted and released while the rest of the soul is erased. Its more of a Soul and Morality Manipulation mix rather than being a Limited Soul Manipulation

Hmm, fair enough.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Millie's crater feat is technically 9-B+, not 9-B (9-B+ is 10.4675mJ and above)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sinners' Regeneration​

Sinners' Regeneration is listed as Low-High without saying it isn't non-combat applicable. However, I think this is fine since the soundtrack name confirms that Pentious died to explosion in Pilot (it also is used on official OST lists which Wikipedia uses references), and almost all of his Egg Bois are also dead, since he came back relatively quickly (we still see the vapor), this would mean he quickly regenerated from death.

Alright y'all, I also added this.

 

[Mythic381]

Sinners' Regeneration is listed as Low-High without saying it isn't non-combat applicable. However, I think this is fine since the soundtrack name confirms that Pentious died to explosion in Pilot (it also is used on official OST lists which Wikipedia uses references), and almost all of his Egg Bois are also dead, since he came back relatively quickly (we still see the vapor), this would mean he quickly regenerated from death.

Very interesting name...

I mean my only real concern is the fact Sir Pentious still seems very damaged, but could be argued he simply didn't regenerate quick enough, so I think I agree for now.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

even with the changes, i still agree

 

[AppleMaker]

Finally someone downgraded IMPs to wall level. I knew that explosion feat is unusable, since we literally don't see how far away they were, while wall level is pretty much consistent (c'mon, they couldn't break free from metal doors in Dhorks episode)

 

[AppleMaker]

(c'mon, they couldn't break free from metal doors in Dhorks episode)

I would consider this a plot induced stupidity, but they literally always get their ahhes kicked by wall level stuff (Rolando breaks 3 walls by throwing Blitzo, Moxie gets crushed by Loopty's wall break, 1st episode, that fish wasn't even close to building size and most likely even smaller than Blue whale and etc)

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

(Rolando breaks 3 walls by throwing Blitzo)

yo hol on, this might be good to calc

 

[AppleMaker]

yo hol on, this might be good to calc

I'm kinda burnt out and don't really want to watch HB once again

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I'm kinda burnt out and don't really want to watch HB once again

I'm just sayin.

plus we have a 9-B+ calc for the I.M.P, so at best this would probably just be a supporting feat, but idk it might get higher

 

[AppleMaker]

Can't wait until 9-B imps would get evaluated so I can put them against Sanya

 

[Thanganimator]

They become Homelander victim's now? Agree

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Or maybe, just maybe because he's fighting someone known for the fact they don't like hurting people? Maybe that was why Adam was shocked?.

This is probably one of the most insane reaches I have ever read in my life, what "argument" is even this?

 

[Mythic381]

This is probably one of the most insane reaches I have ever read in my life, what "argument" is even this?

Reminder making fun of an argument is not disproving it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is probably one of the most insane reaches I have ever read in my life, what "argument" is even this?

Better than “oh this face is a totally unharmed one trust me, I won’t say why but it is totally unharmed, oh and also if someone screams that they are hurt by a giant ahh wound this means they were never harmed before in their entire life!!!”

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yo hol on, this might be good to calc

I'll put it under the list I plan on requesting calcs for the Hellaverse

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Better than “oh this face is a totally unharmed one trust me, I won’t say why but it is totally unharmed, oh and also if someone screams that they are hurt by a giant ahh wound this means they were never harmed before in their entire life!!!”

Buddy, YOU need to actually shown any reliable proof of Adam being harmed at all by Alastor, and I never said that Adam was "never harmed before in his entire life", but the truth is, his first time in the series getting actually harmed was because of Charlie's pitchfork and then Lucifer

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Reminder making fun of an argument is not disproving it.

You don't have an actual argument, that's the problem, you decided to throw a humongous reach and use it as "argument"

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Buddy, YOU need to actually shown any reliable proof of Adam being harmed at all by Alastor, and I never said that Adam was "never harmed before in his entire life", but the truth is, his first time in the series getting actually harmed was because of Charlie's pitchfork and then Lucifer

I suppose that Adam was just so deep in thought in the middle of combat that he started rubbing his chin coincidentally after getting hit in that exact place and forced to stagger back.

 

[Comiphorous]

Okay at best you can downscale his tentacles, which i suppose is something that i personally don't agree with, but whatever i can let slide. But something i will never let slide is scaling Alastor's durability in demon form to a number that was shown to one-shot him. You can't scale someone to somthing they can't actually withstand.

There isn't even evidence for his durability scaling in the OP. it's just stated what is wanted without any proof of why he should???

 

[Mythic381]

You don't have an actual argument, that's the problem, you decided to throw a humongous reach and use it as "argument"

Unless you're actually going to reply with a proper refutation, stop mentioning me.