DarkLock92
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Are those angelic weapons? Cause otherwise it doesn't make a difference.
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Mythic381
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They generally match the look with gold and white colors. And considering the fact they taken from their castle, I don't see why they would be casual weapons.
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The sword very much doesn't, and none of them have the white accents that are present in all of Striker's AWs.
Also we know AW only came to Hell somewhat recently in the last 7 years, and Carmilla has a monopoly on them so
Andrealphus didn't even fight them directly either, he was hiding in his mansion while they fought his Ice Dragon.
Mythic381
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There was multiple weapons
Doesn't mean them being literal royalty are incapable of having these weapons, especially when it's recognized as holy weapons that can kill them.
His ice dragon being his literal magic.
Eden_Warlock99
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If one of the weapons is blatantly not an AW, it casts doubt on the rest as well.There was multiple weapons
Especially when they’re all missing the one trait every AW has had in Helluva (The white stripes).
We don't even know why he has a weapon armory, or when he got it, or anything about it really. That's why it's a leap to say they're AWs.
That's worse, ya know? Loona was breaking the Ice Dragon by just walking on it and Blitz straight-up decapitated it, so much for Overlord+ magic.
I mean, Ig it's consistent with how bums Overlords are.
Mythic381
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Why would their appearance be the factor discrediting them? It's not like Carmilla's weapons even look like the actual AWs.
Which again, aren't exactly an actual factor with the actual original AWs we see. Heck, the angelic weapons that Alastor used didn't have the stripes, it was just a casual one.
I don't think the reasons or the timing matter at all to whether or not they are AWs. Considering they hired a hitman with angelic weapons before, I don't think it's a stretch to say they supplied him? Makes more sense than for an Imp to somehow have bought or stole it from Carmilla.
Loona was breaking ice, I don't think I need to get much more into this.
Blitzo, decapitated Ice, with a weapon he stole from Andrealphus.
Eden_Warlock99
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Here's every AW we've seen in Helluva Boss.
As you can see, every AW in HB has had the same clear visual indicator, GLOWING white parts. You'd expect then if these weapons were meant to be angelic then the show, ya know, a visual medium, would use the exact same visual cue it’s used for every single AW so far, especially when nobody ever outright says they’re angelic?
Hell even the non-conventional Angelic Bombs Cherri had a tell with the explosions being golden, they didn't do that for the rocket launcher here.
Also Alastor's Angelic Weapon being a white axe proves, something? It's an Exorcist's spear but shaped differently lol
Remember these weapons were in Stolas' mansion, the one he's been living in since he was a child, long before the Exterminations even began. And Stolas clearly isn’t a weapons nut (He didn’t even know Angelic Rope shut down his powers) so the idea that he stocked an armory full of AWs just doesn’t add up.
That pretty strongly suggests the armory, and the weapons in it, predate the Exterminations, meaning they aren’t Angelic.
As for how did Striker get AWs? They gave him the money to buy them, they clearly weren't just sitting in the armory otherwise they wouldn't have such simplistic designs.
You literally just said that the Ice Dragon is his "literal magic"
So what, his magic is supposedly 5-B, but it's so fragile it starts cracking from the force of Loona just walking on it?
Mythic381
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Here's angelic weapons who don't glow.
The glowing isn't some mandatory stuff for angelic weapons. For that specific scene, that part isn't something meant to be taken as seriously as the rest of the the whole fight, so the focus isn't really in that, just like the rest of the images we see of actual AWs or carmine-crafted AWs not glowing.
Said rocket launcher doesn't even have it's own effect upon impact, it's literally just the ice beneath it.
??? The point is that it has no stripes and doesn't glow like Striker's sniper.
Who said it was he who stocked them? It was likely Andrealphus after he moved in. If he had enough time to Elsa his castle, I don't see what stopped him from gathering these weapons. For the Stolas part, he himself acknowledges WAY before that scene that his powers aren't working.
I never argued whether or not he had the money to buy them, but the fact he's an Imp being allowed to hold angelic weapons, that in itself makes no sense, as I realistically don't think Carmilla would be stupid enough to sell AWs to an Imp.
Not that I ever agreed with how the 5B additions were treated, but it being able to have 5-B attacks doesn't go against it having weakass durability, especially when it's literally made of ice, it's just a glass cannon.
Mythic381
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Arguing whether or not the weapons that I.M.P stole from Andrealphus during their fight with him are AWs or not.
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they aren't
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If things are not stated to be AWs nor are they held/made by angels, we should never assume it's an Angelic Weapon.
Eden_Warlock99
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Funny how all those examples come from Hazbin Hotel, and ya know, Hazbin and Helluva aren't even both animated by same studios.Here's angelic weapons who don't glow.
Also we do see in S2 that they're all meant to be glowing, we can attribute them not doing so in S1 as just them being too lazy to do it or something
That's the problem, there's literally NOTHING indicating that they're AWs.
Literally what proof do you have that this wasn't always a room in Stolas' castle? Vibes?
Also he just says that it "limits [his] ability to free [himself]" and the fact he even goes for the stare makes me think he didn't think it also extended to it too.
It very much does? Newton's third law, as soon as this 5-B glass cannon goes to throw an attack it would atomize itself lol
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Ya Know what? I'm axing those bums scaling to FP Alastor of all people. Give me like... 10-20 minutes.
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It ****** up Alastor. Who is in the middle of being applied to be in the tier 5 gang.
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Everyone and their mother in Hazbin Hotel is 5-B now
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Prick solos your favorite verse
Mythic381
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Why would it matter what animation team if it's such an important plot point? Also I'm pretty sure they are, difference is that Hazbin Hotel is s co-animated with Bento Box Entertainment alongside Spindlehorse. (at least from what I heard.)
That's a literal music video from someone who doesn't even see the exterminations, and there's multiple scenes of Vaggie's spear not glowing in that same season.
An explosion effect? You do know the explosion effect is something that's literally related to Cherri's bombs right? Not just angelic weapons.
You literally said it yourself, Stolas is not a weapons nut, why would he just have a room full of weapons for no reason? And why'd you even just assume that if it Stolas' weapons, that he just had them before AWs became a thing? Stolas is an immortal demon who can petrify people with a glare, why would he need normal weapons?
Pentious is a sinner, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't buy Angelic Weapons, just normal weapons.
Talking about a dragon made from ice and applying actual physics to it.
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Eden_Warlock99
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The CRT that did it is 14 pages long lol
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Mythic381
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Basically a mix of discrediting WoG, ignoring anti-feats, scaling everyone to speed values (which I still don't see why when there's virtually no character who connects both.) and obviously hating on Vivziepop.
Anonymous_Learner
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That's 100% fair and 100% fine by me
DarkLock92
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Val's Robo-Fizz
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Anonymous_Learner
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Eden_Warlock99
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SpindleHorse handles development and storyboarding, and that's about it.
Also it ain't that important when we visually see these weapons kill Exorcists after the episode where they learned AWs can kill Exorcists.
You saying Sera doesn't know how AWs work?
Yeah, because it's redundant. We already know it's an AW, the glow is an indicator that a weapon is Angelic.
It's literally the only Angelic Bomb we've seen.
Cause it wasn't always his castle? Basically everything we see in it was already there when he was a child, cause duh, he's royalty.
Ok.
This proves she wouldn't sell an AW to an IMP cause ???
Talking about a dragon made from ice and applying actual physics to it.
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Mythic381
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Val's Robo-Fizz who didn't even look like the normal Robo-Fizz who unlike the HB Robo-Fizz who got taken out by a random ass dragon, lost to the abused kid victimizer. A bottle of alcohol.
Eden_Warlock99
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Nah man, it's a 5-B bottle! It hurt Valentino!
Anonymous_Learner
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excellent, W Reaper
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Swung by someone who's above basically any imps.
Eden_Warlock99
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Ain't you removing the hierarchy stuff lol
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Unironically ******* Loopty Goopty scared Blitzø, so we do have some proof rando sinners are above imps.
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Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss: BUM ASS GOETIA
Yes yes, I know I've said I want those birds reworked, There is one thing I must eliminate. These birds are scaling to Full Power Alastor. That... is not the case. Yeah this bum's "5-B" magic is being harmed by rando weapons, getting ran across by a 9-B and breaking ice from that, etcetera. In...
Eden_Warlock99
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I mean Blitz also yeeted another Sinner off his building too and wasn't at all afraid of him the first time they met, it ain't really definitive proof.
Mythic381
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Doubt that.
...What does that even have to do with anything?
Literally no one understood how AWs actually work, all they knew was it can permanently kill sinners.
Ok, so it's redundant for HH but not HB?
And? It's Cherri's, it has that effect by default, only angelic part about it is that it explodes with a yellow effect.
And why would any Goetia have these levels of weapons that are somehow in perfect condition despite all the years?
Because he's an Imp? Bottom of the hierarchy? Where the **** did he get such money to buy AWs from? Why is an Imp even buying an AW? That in itself is suspicious asf. Yes, I'm racist.
What does linking VSBW home page prove? You can't just apply normal physics to a magical dragon made from ice from bird Elsa incarnate.
Mythic381
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Realistically speaking, it's some new ass karen sinner, I don't think they would be scared from someone with visibly no power and is a new sinner, unlike Loopty who had some long ass limbs he knew how to control. And pushing someone out of a building isn't really a good indicator of power.
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We already know they're angelic weapons, we don't need a signifier (the glow) to deduce so.
Sera also didn't know how they looked by your logic lol
Striker's angelic rifle doesn't either after its introduction so ???
Weapons don't erode that fast (Stolas ain't that old) and like, they clearly have some gold in them so
Carmilla definitely cares, and look at all the proof you gave to her being racist, truly it's undeniable at this point.
He has the money. He gets the AW. That's it.
That's what we do. For EVERYTHING?
DarkLock92
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Why are we calling Carmilla racist all of a sudden?
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