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the angels created the universe, God could have not created it (HE IS NOT ACTIVE)neither could the speaker, because she is just a "do your things" type of celestial being.
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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I thought they just expanded it?
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Funny thing is that expanding does not even necessarily mean physical expansion (which is probably pointless anyways since humanity is concentrated on Earth). It's way more likely that they were just adding new things.
Anonymous_Learner
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It's not noted they created it, only that they expanded it. And, while Vivzie has noted that she doesn't want really wanna depict God in her story with the speaker being the closest we'll get, we currently have no reason to assume he didn't create it since he obviously created heaven and the angels
Anonymous_Learner
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To be extremely fair to the higher interpretation, iirc, Lucifer did create a whole solar system (in song ofc which helps zero) so maybe they just added things like that which is like....k.
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proof for that: literally I just made it up (just like how people made up that the story of hell is a lie)
Anonymous_Learner
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well, if this season's anything to go by (Potentially 5-B hellaverse
) , they'll either get something that'll bolster the high end interpretation or bring it to ruin.
Anonymous_Learner
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Fair enough
"Dreamer with fantastical ideas for creation" Lucifer when you ask him what his ideas were about creation (it was just duck inventions)
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well, if this season's anything to go by (Potentially 5-B hellaverse
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Hey that makes senseFair enough
"Dreamer with fantastical ideas for creation" Lucifer when you ask him what his ideas were about creation (it was just duck inventions)
Mythic381
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Funny one of these "duck inventions" was a duck-themed star system
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Still, what are the good things about that?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if that was literally what he suggested and Elder Аngels were so embarrassed they banished him out of pure cringe.
ShionAH
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Angels expanding the universe
Lucifer making his own solar system
Vivzie calling Heaven and Hell universes
Hell and Heaven being called realms which tie into universal size
Hell having different skies (dubious)
Might of Lilith scaling to Sera’s creation
Possibly 4-A makes sense to meh
Lucifer making his own solar system
Vivzie calling Heaven and Hell universes
Hell and Heaven being called realms which tie into universal size
Hell having different skies (dubious)
Might of Lilith scaling to Sera’s creation
Possibly 4-A makes sense to meh
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It is not dubious.
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Ok so I blinked. When did Lucifer do this
Mythic381
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Dreamed of making it, which we know isn't something impossible for him when he was originally going to be with them before being left out.
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What levels of depravity have we reached that we need to rely on dream scaling to upgrade the verse
Mythic381
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This isn't even "dream scaling" Lucifer was originally going to help with expanding the universe but was left out, that is literally talked about in the first scene of the show.
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It is dream scaling because.... we are quite literally using his dreams as a basis point for it. I didn't say there was nothing to support it but it's still wild to reach a point of arguing dream examples
Anonymous_Learner
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Imagine the only lie about the opening was that lucifer's ideas benefit creation, he just wants to make ducks
nothing, hence him being looked down upon
Mythic381
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Yeah that would be cool....
Wild point that one of the most powerful angels had ideas for creation but got rejected, so we dismiss his ideas as unscalable?
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No, that the verse helps so little that this needs to be one of the major points
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Are we fcking seriously saying Lucifer telling us his dream was to create his own solar system when we also KNOW he had the power to “expand the universe” is not a feat?
F the verse, let’s just downgrade everything to wall level with the length we are going to ignore any type of higher end.
Its so much stuff and possibly rating dawg
F the verse, let’s just downgrade everything to wall level with the length we are going to ignore any type of higher end.
Its so much stuff and possibly rating dawg
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We just gonna keep acting like I'm trying to debunk the use of it or can we accept that im just pointing out the absurdity of the situation. Im not cosmology man, unless it's an actual power/ability then my input is mostly as a spectator
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Why would he even dream of having his own solar system. That guy has negative interest in ruling anything. He explicitly tells Charlie that he "tried this all before" but was rejected, and I don't see how a giant duck solar system ties to anything Charlie is doing.
It is much more likely that he was the one who wanted for humans to have free will (which from what I heard ties to certain interpretations of Christianity, albeit reinterprets it into from more positive view that Lu is the misunderstood guy) and that's exactly why his punishment is to see the worst people to ever exist (who became so due to free will) and be unable to do anything to them.
Mythic381
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The guy is depicted as a ringmaster and literally created the Ars Goetia.
Those are separate scenes you know? The scene where he tells her that he "tried this all before" is in the present, while him showcasing her a duck-themed star system is in the past when he's showcasing her his old dreams.
This is utterly unrelated to the idea of creation and what his star system idea was for, you can't give free will if there's no humans at that time, as it wouldn't make sense for his star system idea to be after he was rejected.
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We don't know why, maybe he was bored. He clearly has zero interest in ruling, that's the whole point of his portrayal in HH. Why can Sаtаn lie and why to DS ask Lu to return? (Mammon even bribed him to return LMAO)
That's still refers to the same thing: what his old rejected dreams were.
If you genuinely think that the punishment was for just duck-looking solar system, then I guess I underestimated you in terms of wаnker. High 3-A Alastor args sounded better. C'mon.
Wasn't he banished with Lilith?
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This is funny, because the scene is so vague that some fans think that it's actually about Lucifer's true form
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Are we assuming Lucifer is the one who wrote the Story of Hell? Him and Charlie were never that close and the book can't be older than the Exterminations which started 7 years ago. Lilith being the author makes more sense to me.
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Yeah that makes sense...which makes it so 99%of it was true (the 1% is whatever bullshit Lucifer did)
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You do realize you're talking about a Lucifer after 10,000 years of living in Hell in which his wife left him and now he's depressed, you can't seriously say for sure that he was never interested in ruling, especially for the fact that he was bribed by Mammon to come back and created the Ars Goetia, that clearly means he wasn't like that for all his years in Hell.
Still clearly 2 different dreams for 2 different times, him sharing ideas for creation and then wanting to share free will are different, the former is before humans were created and the latter is after they were.
??? I never even said that, I said what you were talking about is completely unrelated to him having ideas for creation.
Him sharing ideas for creation was before humans were created.
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It has to be Lucifer, because without it we can't potentially spread the biblical king of lies Lucifer agenda.
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AH SO YOU ADMIT IT IS A AGENDA LIE, IT HAS BEEN FOR MORE THAN A YEAR
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Uh, I never agreed with it?
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Some profiles (not me) are still in the works alongside it. Should be done later this month or early January by current estimates
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Mythic381
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Ask the bum who said they'll make the crt
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