Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Anonymous_Learner]

It do be sometimes like that, see how Boros is still only 6-B lol

my man should be higher but I know because of how the wiki functions he won't

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

"he stated that his attack will destroy the surface of the planet"
and people call us statements show.

when you got multiple statements from trust sources and the actual story itself with the feats to back it up, the statement works

UES is limited to physical aspects, which again I never even mentioned Lucifer being physically superior to to his feat, genuinely stop bsing, and what do you mean "without feats, statements"

Like sure, let us absolutely ignore this whole section:

Ir's in my honest opinion that that specific statement should be removed but I'm not in the mood for it since I'm looking for speed feats for this verse

 

[ShionAH]

Please guys we need it let Lucifer scale please if he created and scales above them pls let him scale I need this my profile is kinda weak

And about the God poster removal, if I speak I am in BIG trouble 🫩

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Please guys we need it let Lucifer scale please if he created and scales above them pls let him scale I need this my profile is kinda weak

And about the God poster removal, if I speak I am in BIG trouble 🫩

Vivzie said the speaker of God is the closest thing we'll get to bro too

 

[Mythic381]

Please guys we need it let Lucifer scale please if he created and scales above them pls let him scale I need this my profile is kinda weak

And about the God poster removal, if I speak I am in BIG trouble 🫩

Are you being held at gunpoint or smth?

 

[ShionAH]

Vivzie said the speaker of God is the closest thing we'll get to bro too

Oh really? I thought I got big spoilers, thats great

Are you being held at gunpoint or smth?

long story, anyways we gotta get the hill feat accepted its just sitting there dangit

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Oh really? I thought I got big spoilers, thats great

long story, anyways we gotta get the hill feat accepted its just sitting there dangit

We also need to recalc Lucifer's feat of catching Charlie because Lucifer being in the same tier as lower tiers is so wild, even if it's funny

 

[Mythic381]

long story, anyways we gotta get the hill feat accepted its just sitting there dangit

Well it's either get someone to calc it or someone to evaluate Tugia's calc which is like the only update for it.

 

[ShionAH]

Btw Episode 2 is an insane upscale for my boy, it looks like he was the only competent fighter in heaven and the actual like leader of their entire forces

 

[Phsccarvalho]

How can your creations, with your own powers, BE STRONGER THAN YOU?

In the same way that Stolas can look at Lucifer and turn him to stone.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

UES is limited to physical aspects, which again I never even mentioned Lucifer being physically superior to to his feat, genuinely stop bsing, and what do you mean "without feats, statements"

Like sure, let us absolutely ignore this whole section:

There are 3 types of UES, the physical one is the last.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

And about the God poster removal, if I speak I am in BIG trouble 🫩

why?

Sorry for the 3 posts in a row.

 

[ShionAH]

why?

I cant say it rq maybe when S2 ends I will tell, its just a possible way the plot can go

 

[Alexander]

In the same way that Stolas can look at Lucifer and turn him to stone.

will it be really funny if that didn't do anything against him since Lucifer is Inmmune thanks to being a angel.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

will it be really funny if that didn't do anything against him since Lucifer is Inmmune thanks to being a angel.

it'd be cool but nothing in the story states or implies is it, therefore Stolas unironically outhaxes Lucifer (Doesn't stop Lucifer from blitzing and oneshotting tho)

 

[Mythic381]

There are 3 types of UES, the physical one is the last.

LES and NPES aren't the same as a UES, a UES is when they're referring to an energy system that directly scales to all of your physical statistics, which is what Anonymous was arguing about.

NPES outright doesn't scale to your physical statistics:

A Non-physical Energy System is one where supernatural or other feats, that are not based on the characters' body strengths, do not scale to physical statistics,

and same thing with LES:

A Limited Energy System is a system in which supernatural or other feats, that are not based on the characters' body strengths, neither scale to physical statistics

The only difference between NPES and LES is that NPES would scale all your abilities on the same level, while a LES wouldn't.
NPES:

but still scale to all other applications of non-physical powers the character may have. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would not automatically be assumed to have Building level Striking Strength or Durability. However, if they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

LES:

neither scale to physical statistics nor to all other non-physical powers the characters possess. However, certain sets of abilities still scale to each other due to being part of the same system. An example of that might be a character that uses both Chi and Magic to fight, in which case a fireball spell may neither scale to Striking Strength or Durability nor to the strength of Chi blasts that the opponent fires. However, the strength of the fireball spell might still be scaleable to other magic, such as the strength of water spells.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

it'd be cool but nothing in the story states or implies is it, therefore Stolas unironically outhaxes Lucifer (Doesn't stop Lucifer from blitzing and oneshotting tho)

Something something angelic power null something something

I could literally make a potential man meme with Lucifer at this point.

Watch all that Lucifer aurafarming be just for a gag

Spoiler: Involves Leaks/Rumors

With what some leaks say uh...... may not be far off

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Something something angelic power null something something

power null likely getting removed and, even if it wasn't, has to hit first. After all, we see that alastor's attack that do hit Adam (his shadow and that one tentacle that grabbed him) don't just get instantly nulled so Insta Petrifcation does Lucifer in
But, as I said, Lucifer blitzes and oneshots so it doesn't even matter

 

[Alexander]

power null likely getting removed and, even if it wasn't, has to hit first. After all, we see that alastor's attack that do hit Adam (his shadow and that one tentacle that grabbed him) don't just get instantly nulled so Insta Petrifcation does Lucifer in
But, as I said, Lucifer blitzes and oneshots so it doesn't even matter

WHY ARE WE NOW REMOVING POWER NULL? (oh is not the angelic steel power null)

 

[Phsccarvalho]

LES and NPES aren't the same as a UES, a UES is when they're referring to an energy system that directly scales to all of your physical statistics, which is what Anonymous was arguing about.

The general name for all types of systems is UES; it's literally the name of the page that encompasses any of the three different types.

One might use UES to refer to the general idea of all types. This is mainly because UES (specifically) includes LES and NPES.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

WHY ARE WE NOW REMOVING POWER NULL? (oh is not the angelic steel power null)

Read the Hellaverse HUGE Changes on page five and four but here's the gist of it
"Striker's rope was specifically crafted to hold Stolas down and nullify his power with angellic properties, holy light has only shown being a strong ass laser that Regen nulls.
it's not even stated that it's an ability all angels have, only shown Striker's rope has it" -Me

 

[Alexander]

Read the Hellaverse HUGE Changes on page five and four but here's the gist of it
"Striker's rope was specifically crafted to hold Stolas down and nullify his power with angellic properties, holy light has only shown being a strong ass laser that Regen nulls.
it's not even stated that it's an ability all angels have, only shown Striker's rope has it" -Me

which makes no ******* sense to assume that only Striker rope has that property...WHY IN THE GOD DAMN WORLD WHILE ONLY STRIKER ROPE HAVE THAT?
where the **** could he even get that if it was not made by angelic things.

 

[Mythic381]

The general name for all types of systems is UES; it's literally the name of the page that encompasses any of the three different types.

Yeah and it's divided specifically into 3 categories, one of them being a general different UES that is specifically for physical energy systems.

One might use UES to refer to the general idea of all types. This is mainly because UES (specifically) includes LES and NPES.

Sure, still doesn't deny that we are clearly referring to physical UES which scales to all your physical statistics.

This is all irrelevant anyways considering Anonymous was blatantly talking about physical UES.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

it'd be cool but nothing in the story states or implies is it, therefore Stolas unironically outhaxes Lucifer

Tbf one can argue narrative superiority. After all, the crossverse rules do not purely apply to inverse stuff. Kind of how Zeno loses to Hit if you apply the crossverse rulez but realistically Zeno mauls cuz inverse doesn't care about all that.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

which makes no ******* sense to assume that only Striker rope has that property...WHY IN THE GOD DAMN WORLD WHILE ONLY STRIKER ROPE HAVE THAT?
where the **** could he even get that if it was not made by angelic things.

Only Striker rope has it due to it being enchanted with Angelic properties (At best, you can say certain magic users of angelic magic can power null due to this) while Adam has no proof of having it (Him shredding through Alastor's arsenal with his axe is ap) and Angellic steel currently having nothing to have it off

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Man, I find it really funny how this is one of the only verses with supporters trying to compete to see who can do the best downgrade of the verse.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Tbf one can argue narrative superiority. After all, the crossverse rules do not purely apply to inverse stuff. Kind of how Zeno loses to Hit if you apply the crossverse rulez but realistically Zeno mauls cuz inverse doesn't care about all that.

ofc.
The matchup would never go through as, besides Petrification, stolas has no way of harming lucifer, would be a stomp or would plain stupid

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Let's make Stolas defeat Lucifer.

Just give Stolas prior knowledge.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Man, I find it really funny how this is one of the only verses with supporters trying to compete to see who can do the best downgrade of the verse.

Tier 10 Hazbin when

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This is all irrelevant anyways considering Anonymous was blatantly talking about physical UES.

hey man, certain verses have their big energy attacks scaling to their physicals due having vivid proof that they do.
that's all i'm referring to, something this verse 100% doesn't have

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

hey man, certain verses have their big energy attacks scaling to their physicals due having vivid proof that they do.
that's all i'm referring to, something this verse 100% doesn't have

We do kinda do that with Adam tho

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We do kinda do that with

Technically Lucifer has that too, he just has no laser beam feats or anything like that.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

We do kinda do that with Adam tho

Downgrade time?!

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

We do kinda do that with Adam tho

yes cause it makes sense and he's directly manipulating the energy in his body.
To say it's the same with magic is just crazy talk imo

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Downgrade time?!

Hazbin Hotel physicals downgrade

Currently we have Adam at 7-A physicals because His punches are just as powerful as his Holy Light, Angels are beings of pure light Pure light ≠ Holy light It was never stated that pure light and holy light were the same thing, so Idk why ppl would think that Also the calc that gets Adam to...

vsbattles.com

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Downgrade time?!

Tugia alr tried downgrading adam's physicals, let's just say it didn't take

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Let's make Stolas defeat Lucifer.

Just give Stolas prior knowledge.

it'd be the funniest thing in hell for newcomers to see if Stolas of all people had a dub over Lucifer

 

[Mythic381]

hey man, certain verses have their big energy attacks scaling to their physicals due having vivid proof that they do.
that's all i'm referring to, something this verse 100% doesn't have

Which again, irrelevant to my point as I wasn't talking about Lucifer's physicals scaling to hax.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

it'd be the funniest thing in hell for newcomers to see if Stolas of all people had a dub over Lucifer

Make Alastor win via SI too fr
Also Niffty via dagger

 

[Mythic381]

Tbf one can argue narrative superiority. After all, the crossverse rules do not purely apply to inverse stuff. Kind of how Zeno loses to Hit if you apply the crossverse rulez but realistically Zeno mauls cuz inverse doesn't care about all that.

Isn't the whole point of Hit's hax is that if you're stronger than him you bypass it? Wouldn't that still apply to Zeno?