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Pheonks. Mate. You die in minutes from blood loss without immediate treatment for amputation.
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Lute's arm was clearly treated as we see at the end of the episode. What is your point? She had the time to treat that before bleeding out.
We also see other exorcist die from normal injury.
We have no reason to believe they even have Type 2 in the first place because they can't even be harmed without holy weapons. So there is no evidence as far as I'm concerned.
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I mean, you'd have to get the type 2 immortality denial out of angelic weapons first. Because as it stands, none of this is anti done by being injured by angelic weapons that are accepted as denying type 2.
Furthermore, there are some occasions when angels are injured by normal things, like rocks falling on Lute and hurting her.
This shit is confusing.
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After several minutes of combat. People die in 2-5 minutes due to blood loss from amputation from that. Lute was missing her arm from longer then the high end of that with 0 issues.
Holy weapons neg that Immortality.
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It doesn't make sense
How can you prove they have Type 2 if they can't be harmed by normal attacks in the first place? Vivi's statements were not even referring to Exorcists so you can't use that as evidence. And then when they are hit with the things that can actually do harm they die with normal strikes.
If anything the feat is just willpower.
How can you prove they have Type 2 if they can't be harmed by normal attacks in the first place? Vivi's statements were not even referring to Exorcists so you can't use that as evidence. And then when they are hit with the things that can actually do harm they die with normal strikes.
No she wasn't lol. What minutes are you even referring to? Even if you try to argue cinematic time this was at the very end the battle right before she flew back to Heaven.
If anything the feat is just willpower.
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Adam has type 2 because he's a winner, and he's the only one we have. Since no exorcist or 100% angel has a profile yet (Lucifer is also a demon, Vaggie is a fallen woman)
Unless you argue that winners do not have the immortality and regeneration of sinners, and that they are different.
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All right, I'm out of patience.
The time between Lute tearing off her arm to going back to Heaven in Episode time is over 5 minutes. If you don't like that, then give me a damn time-frame and make it a good one.
Eden_Warlock99
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Maybe its just a weird physiology thing, they do be inorganic
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Her arm is removed at 14:17. She returns to Heaven at like 17:10. That is less than 3 mins episode time.
Not to mention she isn't even shown to be bleeding out or anything after the initial amputation. It appears to be just a bone sticking out of her shoulder. So I don't even think it is fair to say this was a lethal injury in the first place for the exorcist.
It's a demonstration of willpower at best.
We can't even prove winners have type 2 cus again they can't be harmed without holy weapons. And when they are harmed with holy weapons they die from normal strikes. Also Vivi's statement only refers to Sinners as far as I know.
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Anyway, getting off of that.
I don't agree with the current I.M.P scaling either. They barely survived that explosion and were essentially incapacitated by it. At best they should be downgraded to "at most" in terms of scaling.
Pretty sure I've even seen admins like Damage say that scaling to things that you get incapacitated by shouldn't be a thing.
Also, it's just not at all consistent with their normal levels of durability. They are harmed by human weaponry and human attacks all the damn time. Hell, Millie was knocked out by a glass bottle in Episode 1.
It's really not doing them any favors scaling to High 8-C anyway. Anyone in High 8-C should realistically just One-Shot them because they were mangled and knocked unconscious by the High 8-C blast they currently scale to.
That would make matches in the tier pretty unfavorable for them.
I don't agree with the current I.M.P scaling either. They barely survived that explosion and were essentially incapacitated by it. At best they should be downgraded to "at most" in terms of scaling.
Pretty sure I've even seen admins like Damage say that scaling to things that you get incapacitated by shouldn't be a thing.
Also, it's just not at all consistent with their normal levels of durability. They are harmed by human weaponry and human attacks all the damn time. Hell, Millie was knocked out by a glass bottle in Episode 1.
It's really not doing them any favors scaling to High 8-C anyway. Anyone in High 8-C should realistically just One-Shot them because they were mangled and knocked unconscious by the High 8-C blast they currently scale to.
That would make matches in the tier pretty unfavorable for them.
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10-B Helluva Boss let's gooooooo!
In all seriousness don't use humans as anti-feats unless it's tier 10 you want.
I do agree that High 8-C is bogus though, and only people who one-shot I.M.P members or just generally high-end Imps(Blitzø and Striker, mainly) should get that scaling.
Eh I can just about guarantee that's wrong but I don't really care.
Eden_Warlock99
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"At most High 8-C" is good, they would be dead if they were anything too much lower
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Or it's just an outlier.
Thought of that?
Thought of that?
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Also most calcs involving I.M.P members are really flawed, they use a scene from the pilot (which is not canon) to find Blitzo's height and he's like what a 1.50 meters. Even though in the series its shown time and time again that Imps are tiny, Loona who is barely the height of an adult man is like a giant next to them
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Yeah 9-B is probably where they should land. You could maybe scale them to Loona being able to crush skulls.
Nah, Tier 9 would be believable since sharp objects and piercing can still work at Tier 9. High 8-C on the other hand is where they should pretty much just lose their efficiency.
Also, why do you keep replying to me when you don't even want to debate me. You didn't even address the main point, being that they didn't endure the attack they just survived it. Surviving does not inherently equate to durability.
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Reading comprehension Pheonks!
Eden_Warlock99
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Crushing skulls is 9-C, around x5 lower than baseline 9-B.
Even the 8-A and higher Hazbin characters gets shredded by bullets and stuff, this is one of those verses where guns and the like are way stronger than the ones in IRL.
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Ah, really? Wild I thought that'd be solidly into 9-B. Oh well, there's probably a thousand other things I am not currently recalling.
Are you talking about Hell weapons or human weapons? Because pretty sure there has been no 8-A/Low 7-C that has been trampled by bullets on Earth. Unless I'm mistaken.
Eden_Warlock99
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I don't think we can selectively use outliers like that, if we considerate it to be one of course
Eden_Warlock99
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I don't think there's really a difference? Plus, then I.M.P members and co would have these hell weapons too
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I'll probably drop the discussion about guns cause it is pretty irrelevant anyway. The main thing is just that they shouldn't scale to the explosion regardless.
Also, someone said the calc is wrong?
Also, someone said the calc is wrong?
So you're saying it doesn't take into consideration their distance from the explosion? Like it is assuming they are at the epicenter?
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The calc assumes they took the full yield of the blast, which is unlikely
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Eitherway here's some feats that I found
- Blitzo gets a minor wound from a gunshot that destroyed a wall
- Millie makes a hole in a pier (10-B considering she got neg diffed by a bottle)
- Imps can be covered in flames and be fine, it is even implied that normal fire doesn't work on them (Could be useful but some fire later on the series entirely burned off the flesh of a man leaving only his skeleton behind)
- Robotic Fizz can cause an explosion
- I.M.P can survive the giant High 8-C explosion (definetly not tier 8, it would be tier 9 cause of ISL. And they would downscale with an "At most")
- Millie can overpower a giant fish
- Millie can fight a Cherub that could lift a boulder that also cratered the ground
- Moxxie survived getting hit by an attack that bust down a wall, twice
- A Cherub can bust down a whole ass concrete wall casually
- Blitzo can punch through a wooden wall
- Striker can swing a rock with enough strength to shatter it
- Moxxie can tank a rock breaking on his back
- Millie can cause a hole on the ground by hitting a ball
- Fizzaroli goes through multiple wooden planks unharmed
- Striker can survive a building falling on him
- Fizz and Striker can survive an explosio
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Anyways
JFC 9-B to 9-A Helluva is more consistent then ****
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Can somebody explain to the type 5 immortality of sinners? I don't get it
Zabazab
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Oh, that's neat then. Hope it's gone soon
Eden_Warlock99
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I think it's just Type 3 Immortality for Sinners tho
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I have some head-cannon for the inconsistency of angels invulnerability/regeneration being hampered by angelic weapons.
I remembered how bullets can leave tiny residual amounts of lead when fired in the body. In that case, the residue comes from the bullets hitting the bone, thus creating tiny shards and dust like particles. Sometimes it doesn't even have to hit bone or even make contact w/something for dust residue to spread on the body. This can lead to lead toxicity. Following this, it's possible that some sorta residue of the angelic weapons (be it the metal or magic of said metal) gets into an angel or sinner's body and negates/severely hampers their regeneration until said residue passes out of their body.
Again though, this really just a theory at best as some moments could show the angels being killed or permanently harmed w/out having any close contact w/an angelic weapon of any kind or those that do have said contact but can still recover, no problem. Any thoughts or concern?
I remembered how bullets can leave tiny residual amounts of lead when fired in the body. In that case, the residue comes from the bullets hitting the bone, thus creating tiny shards and dust like particles. Sometimes it doesn't even have to hit bone or even make contact w/something for dust residue to spread on the body. This can lead to lead toxicity. Following this, it's possible that some sorta residue of the angelic weapons (be it the metal or magic of said metal) gets into an angel or sinner's body and negates/severely hampers their regeneration until said residue passes out of their body.
Again though, this really just a theory at best as some moments could show the angels being killed or permanently harmed w/out having any close contact w/an angelic weapon of any kind or those that do have said contact but can still recover, no problem. Any thoughts or concern?
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Is the alastor FTL correct? Just asking because I really don't know.
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I was curious, could you explain?
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The argument for it is that Adam surprised Lucifer with his speed
My problem with it is that Lucifer was actively dicking around the entire fight and was barely even fighting back and when Lucifer was serious about certain things, Adam has no proof of reacting to his movements.
I think that scaling Alastor above Adam is wrong because Adam was also dicking around the entire fight, and the instant he got even semi-serious he broke Alastor's Cane and one-shot him without Alastor being able to fight back.
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