Touhou ranfuku said:
Are you implying that Issei doesn't know about Siegfried and his legend even though he was that famous (this is the entire point of why his master didn't want anyone in his side to know the real identity of Siegfried)? Or are you suggesting that even Ddraig a dragon that is older than Siegfried wouldn't know about him? Just by hearing Balmung (the entire point of not using noble phantasm is because people can learn about the servant's real identity) and noticing the tough body are enough for them to know that they're fighting Siegfried and the real Siegfried has a weakness on his back.
They don't even come from the same universe. There is no possible way that Issei or Ddraig, or anyone else from DxD would know about Siegfreid's legend, his abilities, his weakspot, etc. See what Zenjutsu already said on that. And you understand that there is already a siegfried in the dxd universe and he possesses none of the weaknesses fate siegfreid does, so even getting his name would just make them think "oh, same name", not immediately know anything about him.
If we're using grail war rules then both of them have dragon-slayer weakness and that's it (what are Siegfried going to do with Issei's perversion? There's nothing he can do). In fact Ddraig would be even stronger since he was stronger than Fafnir in real life and it took God to bring him down. We're not using grail war rules but what I wanted to ask was for that do we count Boosted Gear as noble phantasm. If yes then Issei will have to use stronger attack if he wants to beat Siegfried.
We're not using Grail War rules, we're using verse equalisation. Yes, things like Penetrate and Balance Breaker would count as Noble Phantasms for use against AoF. Balmung would probably count as a Demon Sword or something against Issei.
And you must understand that DxD's Fafnir is not the same as Fate's Fafnir so comparing the two to say why Ddraig is stronger, is a completely idiotic statement to make. And "God" is a buzzword, that means absolutely nothing on its own. It's not a statement of power. It's a title. So simply saying "it took God to take him down" means nothing on its own. Also, Ddraig's not the one fighting here. Issei is, so Ddraig's strength when he was alive means nothing, and is completely irrelevant to this debate.
You either don't know what's a Gary Stu or have a very specific definition for it but we're not discussing it here. One important note for Gary Stu is that he never loses a fight and always does things right, he also has no flaws as a character and born a special snowflake. Issei wishes he was a Gary Stu.
You say you aren't discussing it, then tell me "an important note". I don't care. I wasn't the one who said that he was a Gary Stue anyway.
The barrier is Armor of Fafnir because no matter how you word it it is still a type of defense with limitation. It is not completely invulnerable. Besides Atalanta can stun and pierced through Siegfried and Issei has far more powerful long range attack than hers (Crimson Blaster and Longinus Smasher). Even if his attack cannot kill him directly they will be enough to destroy his sword.
You're seriously testing my patience here. I have repeatedly explained to you, painstakingly, why Penetrate is not going to bypass AoF, and I have used lines from the very quote that you provided to do so. You are arguing ad naseum, repeating the same thing over and over regardless of my clear explanations. I will not explain anymore. You may continue to live in your delusions, while anyone with an iota of common sense will disagree with you.
In a melee fight Siegfried could win but in a long range fight Issei has the bigger chance to win.
Siegfreid has ranged attacks that will likely one-shot Issei, so retreating out of melee range is the worst thing he can do.
