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Happy Chaos vs Travis Touchdown (a.k.a. Cracker opens a can of worms and hopes for the best)

CrackerVolley

CrackerVolley

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Yeah I'm opening a can of worms for myself here but I like these two guys and both have wincons and mentalities that could allow either to pull out a win, so it's probably fair.
  • Both are 5-A.
  • Both start 20 meters apart.
  • Fight begins outside of the No More Heroes motel
  • Death or Incap are the only wincons.
  • Both are using their usual tactics and mindsets.
  • I'll probably disable HC's time travel/possession/brainwashing nonsense if it turns the match into a stomp. Idk yet.
  • SBA otherwise.
Jesus but Insane and Irish:
Middle Aged Weeb:


Battle Theme
 
Only a few, namely I-no and even then its based on specific hax and abilities (I think). Chaos just barely sits outside of that threshold due to never being shown to manipulate the Backyard without prep or the Tome of Origin or anything.
 
I'm not too familiar with GG but between Chaos' High-Mid and hax, how can Travis really win? He wouldn't really think to attack the hand.
CrackerVolley said:
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This is not the first time I've seen Travis associated with this song and it makes too much sense every time
 
Actually sorry, but I think this might be an AP stomp.

Travis upscales from 1.3292372x10^36 J
Chaos upscales from 1.4359347x10^37 J

That's an over 10x gap, which means stomp.
 
Armorchompy said:
I'm not too familiar with GG but between Chaos' High-Mid and hax, how can Travis really win? He wouldn't really think to attack the hand.

This is not the first time I've seen Travis associated with this song and it makes too much sense every time
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Yeah, I wanted to use a vocal track because Strive is one of the games that got really popular partially because of that, only to remember that Travis's spirit battle in Smash Ultimate used it.
 
How long does it take for him to regen? Travis might win if he just cuts him, unless chaos can survive piercing. That's the only win con I can think of if chaos doesn't one tap
 
You can't use a knife to stab an aircraft carrier however, and all that has going for it is durability.
 
Look, they're the same thing, wiki accepts it this way, I don't need to debate it with you any further, make a CRT if you'd like to see it changed.
 
Go on any vs thread and argue a tier 9 with a knife can damage a tier 7 that hasn't shown any "piercing resistance", see what that gets you. Attacking with somewhat smaller surface area doesn't suddenly let you ignore that an opponent is dozens of times stronger than you, that's just common sense
 
Armorchompy said:
Go on any vs thread and argue a tier 9 with a knife can damage a tier 7 that hasn't shown any "piercing resistance", see what that gets you. Attacking with somewhat smaller surface area doesn't suddenly let you ignore that an opponent is dozens of times stronger than you, that's just common sense
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Dozens of times isn't the same as 10 times and not as much as the difference between tier 9 and 7
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Dozens of times isn't the same as 10 times and not as much as the difference between tier 9 and 7
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Good thing we have a specific AP gap that is considered a stomp and it's under any of those.
 
"piercing damage" that doesn't actually exist in real life and that we don't accept as a means of even limited durability negation. It's just a separation some battleboarders make.
 
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Armorchompy said:
"piercing damage" that doesn't actually exist in real life and that we don't accept as a means of even limited durability negation. It's just a separation some battleboarders make.
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I gave evidence it exists in real life. We do accept good piercing as durability negation, like naruto's ability to cut through cells
 
Remind me how is Travis gonna land a piercing blow on him, when a single bullet from Chaos' gun can oneshot him, and the fact they're both 20 meters away from one another?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
I gave evidence it exists in real life.
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You didn't. You said something and when I countered it you made up "piercing durability".

If you want a more thorough rebuttal, real life works by a "durability system" that is too complex for us to index and that we simplify it to something more streamlined, hence cutting attacks being treated as just vaguely more effective than normal ones.
XXKINGXX69 said:
We do accept good piercing as durability negation, like naruto's ability to cut through cells
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That is a specific durability negation ability that requires statements and is absolutely not comparable to just "lol piercing".
Shmooply said:
Remind me how is Travis gonna land a piercing blow on him, when a single bullet from Chaos' gun can oneshot him, and the fact they're both 20 meters away from one another?
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Don't continue the debate, it literally doesn't matter.
 
Armorchompy said:
You didn't. You said something and when I countered it you made up "piercing durability".

If you want a more thorough rebuttal, real life works by a "durability system" that is too complex for us to index and that we simplify it to something more streamlined, hence cutting attacks being treated as just vaguely more effective than normal ones.

That is a specific durability negation ability that requires statements and is absolutely not comparable to just "lol piercing".

Don't continue the debate, it literally doesn't matter.
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I didn't make up piercing durability, there's no need to lie. I gave evidence of it

If you want a more thorough rebuttal, real life works by a "durability system" that is too complex for us to index and that we simplify it to something more streamlined, hence cutting attacks being treated as just vaguely more effective than normal ones.
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Who is "we"? This isn't some rule that's accepted

That is a specific durability negation ability that requires statements and is absolutely not comparable to just "lol piercing".
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It is the same as piercing, just really good piercing
 
Look, I could explain to you why you're wrong, I think it would be self-evident to most, but this argument is quite clearly getting circular, and I have no reason to entertain a random vs thread for so long. I don't expect anyone will agree with you, my arguments have been made, so cheers. Feel free to bother some other staff about it if you'd like further elaboration.
 
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