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Halo Page Problems

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Reppuzan

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I'm going to cut to the chase here.

The Halo pages are a complete, total, incomprehensible mess.

Take Master Chief's Page, not only is the vast majority of the text plagiarized, but the powers and abilities part isn't formatted correctly and there's issues everywhere.

Then there's the unjustified statistics of pages like the speed of The Precursors, who have no justifications other than being faster than the ships of the Forerunners which, surprise surprise, don't have a speed rating at all.

On top of that, there's blatantly illogical statements like:

"The Precursors let themselves be killed off by the Forerunners, in awe of their savagery and their violence. It is also possible due to their very nature that they do not have any form of military, and would have no way to respond. So their full capabilities of war are not known."

Even though the Forerunners and the Precursors went to war, which is far from, "letting themselves be killed off".

The worst thing of all is the rampant plagiarism on the profiles, which was clearly done without rhyme or reason since entries like "Enhanced Strength" are on the profiles when they have no bearing on our system and should be placed in AP or Feats.

The last problem is still an issue with many of our other pages, such as our Nanatsu no Taizai, Bleach, and High School DXD.

We either need a full revision of these profiles, or just get rid of them until someone is willing to do so.
 
Colonel was gonna work on the profiles....

But I agree now we need a full revision / check.
 
Its stated by the Gravemind that the Precursors let themselves by killed by the Forerunners ultimatly, im awe of their savagery and violance, but the conflict is Unknown as of now they were very Pacific and Strict against their creations.

Is stated that the Forerunners could enter Slipspace and go FTL, no to mention that they were capable of doimg so without even starting their Ship's motors (Acusality, I think) and had robots that repair the problems that their Ship caused.

I did a Treath to discuss revision and future profiles but:

-Ant didnt highlit it

-Only 3 (DarkDragonMedeus, fanofRPG and Flflourine[?]) responded

EDIT: and Byakuya responded too, sorry I forgot it :p.
 
@KarmodF

That sounds contradictory, given how the Precursors went to war with the Forerunners and explicitly attempted to avert their extinction by fleeing to the Large Magellanic Cloud and turning themselves into inert powder to wait for the Forerunners to pass.
 
That is stated because The Precursors are MASSIVELY above the Forerunners, yet they were entirely wiped out by them. This was because it was stated in the books that this "war" was merely pest control, as the Precursors let themselves die as they were so in shock and awe at how violent and unreasonable the Forerunners were.

Forerunners are well.... MFTL+ to a hillarious degree. Like lower class ships from The Covenant and Humans ships can cross hundreds to thousands of light years in a few days. The Mantle's Approach, an old stripped down jalopy of a ship for Forerunner Standards, could cross between a Halo Ring over 25,000 light years away to Earth in about 2 minutes. Their escort ships cross 20,000 light years in 2 hours. They cross the galaxy all the time.
 
@Karmod and Fan

I'd appreciate it if you could at least cite where you're getting this stuff from.
 
Halo Cryptum, Primordium, and Silentium

The Mantle's Approach feat is in Halo 4, Midnight

In Cryptum, Bornsteller-Makes-Everlasting is being escorted from him home (IIRC, was 2 months ago sinceI read it) to The Capital, which he stated is 20,000 light years away. He states a normal trip would usually take 2 hours, but it took 3 days due to slipspace being messed up.

The Precursor thing is like stated every other sentence by them.
 
The War was talked on Cryptum and mentioned on Silentium.

There are various hints that reference the Precursors let themselves be killed since they started to hate their own creation (The Forerunners) and that the War was an excuse to prove it.
 
The Everlasting said:
@KarmodF
That sounds contradictory, given how the Precursors went to war with the Forerunners and explicitly attempted to avert their extinction by fleeing to the Large Magellanic Cloud and turning themselves into inert powder to wait for the Forerunners to pass.
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Problem is at the same time a single rogue precursor not fully sane and an army of bastardized Floodcursors managed to lead a war which completely crushed the Forerunners in most battles. It would be logical the Precursors as a whole, whose technologies the Forerunners could barely comprehend and even destroy, who were deemed transentient and godlike by them, would be unbeatable by them in a real war. It is obvious the Precursors did not put in any of their all during the "war"
 
The idea of them letting themselves be killed by the Forerunners because of horror at their violence doesn't even make sense, and again, doesn't account for their active attempt to avert their extinction by fleeing the galaxy and then turning themselves into inert powder.
 
The Everlasting said:
The idea of them letting themselves be killed by the Forerunners because of horror at their violence doesn't even make sense, and again, doesn't account for their active attempt to avert their extinction by fleeing the galaxy and then turning themselves into inert powder.
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As said, them actually being wiped out by the Forerunners in a real war makes even less sense. The Forerunners literally revere them as boundless gods who they could only ever dream to be compared to. Every mention of the Precursors by the Forerunners is them talking about how indestructable and advanced and abstract their technologies are. They would HAVE to let their weapons completely down to be killed off.

There is a post on Space Battles, I forget which thread, but it extrapolates in depth why they let themselves go extinct. If I could find it, it should help.
 
The Everlasting said:
The idea of them letting themselves be killed by the Forerunners because of horror at their violence doesn't even make sense, and again, doesn't account for their active attempt to avert their extinction by fleeing the galaxy and then turning themselves into inert powder.
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Bad writting look it up yourself and you'll find it's true
 
They were Gods that wanted the best to the Galaxy and created Multiversal space-time, they wanted to see if the Forerunners and the various species deserved to live without them, the Mantle was the way to show their Heritage via the Mantle that was give to the most advanced species, once the mantle was give to the Ancient Humans they enraged and proceed to Kill the Precursors and Fight the Humans, ultimately killing their creators and De-Evolving the Humans.
 
@Fan

It doesn't even really affect their tiers, and I've literally only just started getting into Halo lore, so this conversation is fairly meaningless.

But regardless,

A. Why do the Precursors' offensive tech scale to the Forerunners' fuel-gathering tech?

B. What implies they can manipulate Halo's higher dimensions?
 
The Everlasting said:
@Fan
It doesn't even really affect their tiers, and I've literally only just started getting into Halo lore, so this conversation is fairly meaningless.

But regardless,

A. Why do the Precursors' offensive tech scale to the Forerunners' fuel-gathering tech?

B. What implies they can manipulate Halo's higher dimensions?
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The note is there to avert any incoming comment of "How are the Precursors so strong if the Forerunners defeated them." and avoid confusion. That is the reason, they pretty much had their guard down.

Their page says their offensive tech > the forerunner's fuel gathering tech? The Precursors are MAYBE 2-A in offensive tech, but we know so little of it that we don't know, and it should be put at unknown. We know, as said, they are superior to the Forerunners in all aspects and if the Forerunners found a way to destroy infinite realities for energy, to imply the Precursors could not do the same would be madness.

The Precursors are stated to have gone through the other realms the Forerunners use and distort them to their favor. These realms have both been described as spatial dimensions and alternate universes. It is uknown if they are VBW styled higher dimensions, or just other universes.
 
It doesn't directly say that, but it does list them as being At least 2-A for being far above the Forerunners. Them having 2-A fuel gathering tech is reasonable, but offensive tech is extremely questionable.

I see.
 
If they were able to destroy infinite Universes why people close my Paper Mario vs Forerunners treath?
 
KarmodF said:
If they were able to destroy infinite Universes why people close my Paper Mario vs Forerunners treath?
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I think it should be rewritten as Unknown, possibly 2-A
 
I think it should be rewritten as Unknown, possibly 2-A

But only for Fuel Gathering or actual AP?, they are at least 3-A or Low 2-C for destroying many newly born Universes.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Karmod

Source?
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Check the Historial for the Forerunners they had a 2-C and 3-A Tiering but was upgrade to 2-A, I would like to put links but the Mobile version is Halo 5's Campaing.
 
@Karmod

I mean, where in the original material did it come from. Where, in any of the Halo games, movies, or books, did it say that the Forerunners were destroying universes?

Also, the Forerunners are missing almost every statistic on their pages.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Karmod

I mean, where in the original material did it come from. Where, in any of the Halo games, movies, or books, did it say that the Forerunners were destroying universes?

Also, the Forerunners are missing almost every statistic on their pages.
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Sorry but the treath were they leave the feats is missing/was erased, but It was a novel I think Ant or Fan know about the source but I remember it was a Novel, probably the wikis have some info.

About the info... I dont know If they were able to reach Inmesurable speed since they Ships were able to enter Slipspacr and SUPOSEDLY fight on it like the Precursors.

And their Dura. Is around their same tier since the Humans were on their same level of tech (Not to mention their Ships ignore Durability).
 
" As the reflective orb rotates beneath my ship, I see also the outstretched, feather-like plumes of vacuum energy pylons, drawing in the potential of an infinity of alternate realities ... aborting untold numbers of nascent universes to supply Requiem's power. Strange that these cosmic deaths have never before struck me as cruel and futile. All of Forerunner technology has been made possible by drawing down vacuum energy. My own life, all that I know, arises out of cosmic predation."

"Then we were shunted out of planetary orbit and my family's world grew small. Within a few more minutes, the Council ship harnessed a great deal of vacuum energy to flatten the curve of our stellar orbit, and the planet where I was born vanished completely."

"Fred stood on the brink of creation, watching universes wink into being, then swell into silvery eggs of brilliance and implode into nothing. He saw galaxies spin up from emptiness and send their arms whirling off across the void, saw their cores collapse into holes that were deeper and darker and hotter than any hell that man had ever imagined. He saw the birth of all things and the end of everything, saw the wave of eternity roll across a universe of universes and swallow them all in the blink of an eye.
And still Fred stood there, on the brink of annihilation, staring down into a hole so deep it had punched through existence itself. He could not recall how long he had been there, what had come before and what was to come next. He simply was, a man who had inadvertently stepped to the edge of time and space and found himself bound by a mystery too vast and bright and endless for him to comprehend, too filled with paradox and potential for any human mind to grasp."
 
FanofRPGs said:
" As the reflective orb rotates beneath my ship, I see also the outstretched, feather-like plumes of vacuum energy pylons, drawing in the potential of an infinity of alternate realities ... aborting untold numbers of nascent universes to supply Requiem's power. Strange that these cosmic deaths have never before struck me as cruel and futile. All of Forerunner technology has been made possible by drawing down vacuum energy. My own life, all that I know, arises out of cosmic predation."

"Fred stood on the brink of creation, watching universes wink into being, then swell into silvery eggs of brilliance and implode into nothing. He saw galaxies spin up from emptiness and send their arms whirling off across the void, saw their cores collapse into holes that were deeper and darker and hotter than any hell that man had ever imagined. He saw the birth of all things and the end of everything, saw the wave of eternity roll across a universe of universes and swallow them all in the blink of an eye.
And still Fred stood there, on the brink of annihilation, staring down into a hole so deep it had punched through existence itself. He could not recall how long he had been there, what had come before and what was to come next. He simply was, a man who had inadvertently stepped to the edge of time and space and found himself bound by a mystery too vast and bright and endless for him to comprehend, too filled with paradox and potential for any human mind to grasp."
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Can you explain both instead of Copy and Paste?
 
The fumes seen from Forerunner Ships are from the universes being "aborted" and collapsed into energy. They alter the rules of cause and effects for the universes it seems and speeds their demise.
 
I think the Forerunners were capable of creating massive black Holes that devour Universes, read the part were says: "...saw their cores collapse into holes that were deeper and darker and hotter than any hell that man had ever imagined. He saw the birth of all things and the end of everything, saw the wave of eternity roll across a universe of universes and swallow them all in the blink of an eye." They modified at a possibly Universal scale so their can create an Infinite Domino efect, I think It would apply for some type of Power/Abilitie.

It states thate they "Aborted" a Multiverse and used as fuel, destroying Universes so they can power Requiem, Their Instalations and Ships, but sound 2-C since they said that they abort an untold number of Universes (More than one) no to mention that the novels reference Universes as Space-Time and "Eternity" I dont think about Causality because they dont mention the use of their Abilities.
 
Oh yeah, I did notice that alot of Halo profiles have quite a bit of problems; especially the god tier ones. I don't know much about the Precursers, but I don't think the Forerunners should have a 2-A rating in their profile if it can't be used for combat; although they could have Multiverse Level+ listed on their range as it's fuel gathering. I also don't know about their 2-C techologies, but the Forerunners definately seem like glass cannons either way as they were destroyed by the Flood; who are at most 3-C Alot of these profiles only have an AP rating and not much else; but I think the Forerunners have City Level durability scaling from Ur-Didact.

Additionally, some of us are planning on revising Master Chief's durability since some of the ratings listed were created out of calc stacking. I personally felt like his durability should be in the Room Level to Building Level range because that where most of the stronger weapons like Rocker Launchers and Fuel Rod Cannon's reflect. Most of the 8-B weapons typically oneshot multiple Spartans, Elites, Brutes, Promethean Lancer Knights, ect. But there were a few other things mentioned on that previous thread including the Onyx Sentinel Lasers and 343 Guity Spark.
 
-This is a common error for Fans, the Flood didnt defeat the Forerunners the De-Evolved forms of the Precursors, the "Floodcursors" killed them, the Flood is mention by some inteligent forms like the Gravemind as the perfect Cannon Fodder, refering that they usage was more for distraction/cover and less for attack, sadly the Precursors are rarely mention, and his Tier is a mistery as of now, they had some Glass Canon ships but those ignore dura. and were used in the Human-Forerunner War mostly.

And they 2-A rating is not only discuss as a posible AP but Its still used and canon for the series, as I mention some characters cant use their rating as AP but they are still rayed as that because they can produce it somehow, like some BlazBlue Characters and others that need exact ocurrences or heavy preparation like Alien X and the Shredder from the 2000 TMNT series and Turtles Forever.

-Here we go again
 
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