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Agnaa, EVenom, Armor and Abstract have commented in this thread a while back, though I don't know if they have seen theAnyway what admin should we call to get this thing approved?
I think you should tally all the people who agree, are neutral and disagree so you get a gist of how much support you have.
The weapons Gordon uses are real guns, they scale in speed to their real counterparts. I don't really think this would change, even if Gordon's reactions were higher than most humans.shouldn't the weapons gordon use have a higher attack speed than his own reactions?
Yes it would. If those are real life guns. The attack speed would be supersonic to supersonic +The weapons Gordon uses are real guns, they scale in speed to their real counterparts. I don't really think this would change, even if Gordon's reactions were higher than most humans.
No? Gordon's fastest weapons are both Supersonic and his slowest weapons are Subsonic+. When has it ever been a standard that IRL Weapons will be faster, just because the fictional character using them have faster than human reactions?Yes it would. If those are real life guns. The attack speed would be supersonic to supersonic +
Hey, I'm the guy who created the old post calling for the thread to be changed. I think all of this stuff is great and I think it should be used for the thread update. So my vote is a "yes" on all the changes. Especially the airstrike finally being taken off there. What were the final rulings on the outrunning C4 feat and taking hits from the Gargantua for durability? Are they on that draft or am I just missing them, or did something happen where those got tossed?Bump!
Summary of Changes
Current Revision
I think this is all the changes included in the Profile right now, correct me if I missed anything.
- Instead of being a weird composite of both HL1 and HL2, it now has seperated Keys for the original and the sequel (+ Episodes).
- Powers and Abilities have been seperated by Base, Weapon and Resistances.
- Removed Social Influencing, as the explanation is incredibly weak, considering the situation it's being used in (Convincing Co-Workers to help during a Alien Invasion, when they already want to help + Convincing Humans fighting against an Alien Empire that took over Earth, where not resisting would result in humanity's extinction)
- Base includes 3 new definite abilities: Underwater Breathing, Stealth Mastery and limited Damage Reduction.
- Base includes 2 new abilities with possible canonicity: Enhanced Senses and Homing Attack/Lock-On Targetting. Any opinions on this would be great.
- Weapons includes Energy Manipulation and includes the Hivehand in the Homing Attack explanation.
- Resistances includes Acid Manipulation (due to Antlion Worker and Bullsquid spit) and High Pain Tolerance was changed to a Pain Manipulation Link.
- Attack Potency now has calcs and better explanations.
- HL1 Crowbar is Wall level due to harming Headcrabs capable of breaking concrete walls (1.7 Megajoules).
- HL2 Crowbar and Most Firearms are Small Building level due to killing Headcrabs in very few shots (the Crowbar one-shots the Crab and it should be the weakest weapon in his arsenal) and the next strongest enemies to harm are Zombies capable of breaking metal doors in two hits, which should be half of this explosion (0.007 Tons of TNT) and Alien Grunts capable of exploding a wooden gate (0.025 Tons of TNT) and the strongest 9-A weapon being the AR2, which is capable of vaporizing Humanoids (0.074 Tons of TNT).
- All Explosives are Small Building level+ due to being capable of destroying a metal gate in a single hit (0.168 Tons of TNT) and the Experimental Weapons of HL1 are 9-A+ due to being capable of harming Gargantuas, that can survive multiple explosives from Gordon.
- Speed was downgraded to Athletic Human as Superhuman had no explanation. Subsonic+ Reactions has better explanation and the Profile includes the Attack Speed of Gordon's weapons.
- Lifting Strength was downgraded to "At least Above Average Human" as Superhuman had no explanation (
why is this a theme?). Above Average Human due to carrying around a large amount of weapons and being comparable to Alyx Vance who is capable of fighting Zombies physically, which are capable of throwing Barrels. Gravity Gun is still Class 1, but has slightly more explanation.- Durability was downgraded, kinda. The Airstrike Feat is rejected.
- HL1 Durability without batteries is Small Building level due to taking hits from Zombies (0.007 Tons of TNT), which is then higher after Apprehension where Gordon can encounter Alien Grunts and take hits from them (0.025 Tons of TNT).
- HL2 Durability without batteries is an even higher Small Building level due to taking hits from a Suppression Device and AR2's, which can consistently vaporize other humans and Combine Soldiers in way less hits (0.074 Tons of TNT)
- Both Keys Durability with batteries is Small Building level+ due to being able to take hits from their own explosions point-blank (0.168 Tons of TNT)
- Stamina is now Superhuman instead of High and Intelligence was shortened tremendously.
- Range was upgraded from "Several to Tens of meters" to "Tens to Hundreds of meters" due to what weapons Gordon uses.
- Speaking of weapons: the Standard Equipment section includes the weapon table of the original and improves it and seperates it by Key.
Shorter Version
Everything except the HL1 Crowbar get upgraded to 9-A, with explosives and Experimental Weapons being 9-A+. Gordon's durability is reduced to being comparable to his normal weapons and his durability with batteries are 9-A+. Speed and LS were downgraded and Range was upgraded.
Gordon can no longer socially influence co-workers that want to help him, but he can breath underwater, be stealthy in alien worlds he hasn't seen before and negate damage pretty decently. Gordon also has IPhone Eyelids and Aimbot, but they have questionable canonicity (Any opinions on this would be great).
If that's the case make his attack speed rating subsonic + up to supersonic. Strange that a combine assault rifle attack speed is slower than a 1800s musket's.No? Gordon's fastest weapons are both Supersonic and his slowest weapons are Subsonic+. When has it ever been a standard that IRL Weapons will be faster, just because the fictional character using them have faster than human reactions?
Actually, speaking of weapons, I found that the RPG is slower than the MP5, which I claimed to be the slowest, and the Resistance Crossbow (106.68 m/s) is slower than the AT4, so I corrected those details.
Gargantua 8-C was decided to be discussed for a later thread, preferrably when Hunter vaporization also gets evaluated, and the C4 Feat wasn't accepted yet, so we can't insert it until it gets evaluatedWhat were the final rulings on the outrunning C4 feat and taking hits from the Gargantua for durability?
Glad to see some confirmation for Zoom-in, as long as it's not contradicted by any canon source of higher value, then it should be okay. Still doesn't fully confirm the canonicity of aim assist, with how different the PS2 Port is while still having Decay, something that is (or should be) considered canon.In regards to the IPhone Eyelids and Aimbot, I don't see any reason to exclude either from the post. They're referenced in official material such as the instruction manuals, in particular the Official Prima Guide for the second game mentions that the zoom-in is a feature of the suit.
I wish it was that simple, Also it's contradicted by literally every piece of promotional art ever and Gordon appears helmetless in Blue Shift and Alyx also.In regards to how they work without Gordon wearing a helmet, his original designer and a developer on the games has stated once that he does wear the helmet in-game, it's just not shown to the player. That does however conflict with his appearance in Opposing Force. I think just noting that they're ambiguously-canon gameplay features is a good way to go about it
I did it like nearly a year ago... and here's how it looks like now:If that's the case make his attack speed rating subsonic+ up to supersonic. Strange that a combine assault rifle attack speed is slower than a 1800s musket's.
Also the AT4 is not the AR2, a.k.a. the Combine Pulse Rifle, incase if there was confusion. I am not aware of any stated or canonical speed for the Alien Rifle, but it should be at least faster than the Projectile weapons like the RPG (AT4) or the Resistance Crossbow (Crossbow with canon speed).Subsonic+ to Supersonic attack speed (Slowest weapon is the Armbrust and the fastest is the Revolver) | Subsonic to Supersonic attack speed (Slowest weapon is the Resistance Crossbow and the fastest is the SMG)
For tech that supercedes humanities by thousands of years you'd expect a combine pulse rifle to outmatch the fastest ARsGargantua 8-C was decided to be discussed for a later thread, preferrably when Hunter vaporization also gets evaluated, and the C4 Feat wasn't accepted yet, so we can't insert it until it gets evaluated
Glad to see some confirmation for Zoom-in, as long as it's not contradicted by any canon source of higher value, then it should be okay. Still doesn't fully confirm the canonicity of aim assist, with how different the PS2 Port is while still having Decay, something that is (or should be) considered canon.
I wish it was that simple, Also it's contradicted by literally every piece of promotional art ever and Gordon appears helmetless in Blue Shift and Alyx also.Also there really isn't an excuse for him not having a Helmet, as a Helmet playermodel does exist.
I did it like nearly a year ago... and here's how it looks like now:
Also the AT4 is not the AR2, a.k.a. the Combine Pulse Rifle, incase if there was confusion. I am not aware of any stated or canonical speed for the Alien Rifle, but it should be at least faster than the Projectile weapons like the RPG (AT4) or the Resistance Crossbow (Crossbow with canon speed).
I wouldn't really use promotional artwork as a knock against the helmet theory - it's not like they're in-universe pictures of canon events, and obviously they're going to show Gordon's face in those images and not a generic helmet - and his appearance in Alyx was just an illusion. Still, I agree that Blue Shift and Opposing Force are enough to cast doubt on the designer's statement.Gargantua 8-C was decided to be discussed for a later thread, preferrably when Hunter vaporization also gets evaluated, and the C4 Feat wasn't accepted yet, so we can't insert it until it gets evaluated
Glad to see some confirmation for Zoom-in, as long as it's not contradicted by any canon source of higher value, then it should be okay. Still doesn't fully confirm the canonicity of aim assist, with how different the PS2 Port is while still having Decay, something that is (or should be) considered canon.
I wish it was that simple, Also it's contradicted by literally every piece of promotional art ever and Gordon appears helmetless in Blue Shift and Alyx also.Also there really isn't an excuse for him not having a Helmet, as a Helmet playermodel does exist.
I did it like nearly a year ago... and here's how it looks like now:
Also the AT4 is not the AR2, a.k.a. the Combine Pulse Rifle, incase if there was confusion. I am not aware of any stated or canonical speed for the Alien Rifle, but it should be at least faster than the Projectile weapons like the RPG (AT4) or the Resistance Crossbow (Crossbow with canon speed).
Yeah, it's impossibly for them to be "In-Universe" pictures of canon events, but that doesn't mean that the intent (or any) is gone. Also this one is Blast Pit and this is Route Kanal.I wouldn't really use promotional artwork as a knock against the helmet theory - it's not like they're in-universe pictures of canon events
and his appearance in Alyx was just an illusion.
This thread really died out.
From what i see we have multiple Building Level+ feats. It'd be good if someone could list all the calced feats.
You would be right. We should tackle the already accepted calculations. But when is that gonna get done? Are there more 9-A calcs in the work? Hasn't everything regarding the 9-A calcs been finished and accepted like a long time ago? If so what's the hold up?These are all the Building level feats that we have right now, but they are either unevaluated or confusing to scale. We also already agreed to have it be a discussion for another time while we try to complete this CRT with calculations that are already accepted and easier to scale, which are 9-A to 9-A+
- Gargantua breaking a giant gate and several rocks, which is 1.85 Tons of TNT
- The AR2 Energy Ball vaporizing a Combine Hunter in a single hit, which at the lowest is 9-A+ (0.1464 Tons of TNT) and highest is 8-C+ (1.14 to 1.38 Tons of TNT)
- The Suppression Device destroying a building in a single hit, which could be 8-C (0.35 to 0.4 Tons of TNT) but is more likely the 9-A end if you ask me (0.12 Tons of TNT)
You would be right. We should tackle the already accepted calculations. But when is that gonna get done? Are there more 9-A calcs in the work? Hasn't everything regarding the 9-A calcs been finished and accepted like a long time ago? If so what's the hold up?
I see. Thanks for the information.
- What gets done? the CRT?
- I am making another blog with 9-A calcs, but it's more of supporting feats or they don't apply to Gordon, so don't delay this thread for that one blog.
- Yes, check the summary of changes post, the 9-A calcs that were mentioned are used there.
- voting and staff approval.
seems okBump!
Summary of Changes
Current Revision
I think this is all the changes included in the Profile right now, correct me if I missed anything.
- Instead of being a weird composite of both HL1 and HL2, it now has seperated Keys for the original and the sequel (+ Episodes).
- Powers and Abilities have been seperated by Base, Weapon and Resistances.
- Removed Social Influencing, as the explanation is incredibly weak, considering the situation it's being used in (Convincing Co-Workers to help during a Alien Invasion, when they already want to help + Convincing Humans fighting against an Alien Empire that took over Earth, where not resisting would result in humanity's extinction)
- Removed Healing, as it only came from outside sources and the Suit's "Medical Systems" have only administered Morphine and told the Player to look for healing somewhere else.
- Base includes 3 new definite abilities: Underwater Breathing, Stealth Mastery and limited Damage Reduction.
- Base includes 2 new abilities with possible canonicity: Enhanced Senses (Actually this might be canon, as it's acknowledged in the Prima Guide in a somewhat canonical fashion) and Homing Attack/Lock-On Targetting. Any opinions on this would be great.
- Weapons includes Energy Manipulation and includes the Hivehand in the Homing Attack explanation.
- Resistances includes Acid Manipulation (due to Antlion Worker and Bullsquid spit) and High Pain Tolerance was changed to a Pain Manipulation Link.
- Attack Potency now has calcs and better explanations.
- HL1 Crowbar is Wall level due to harming Headcrabs capable of breaking concrete walls (1.7 Megajoules).
- HL2 Crowbar and Most Firearms are Small Building level due to killing Headcrabs in very few shots (the Crowbar one-shots the Crab and it should be the weakest weapon in his arsenal) and the next strongest enemies to harm are Zombies capable of breaking metal doors in two hits, which should be half of this explosion (0.007 Tons of TNT) and Alien Grunts capable of exploding a wooden gate (0.025 Tons of TNT) and the strongest 9-A weapon being the AR2, which is capable of vaporizing Humanoids (0.074 Tons of TNT).
- All Explosives are Small Building level+ due to being capable of destroying a metal gate in a single hit (0.168 Tons of TNT) and the Experimental Weapons of HL1 are 9-A+ due to being capable of harming Gargantuas, that can survive multiple explosives from Gordon.
- Speed was downgraded to Athletic Human as Superhuman had no explanation. Subsonic+ Reactions has better explanation and the Profile includes the Attack Speed of Gordon's weapons.
- Lifting Strength was downgraded to "At least Above Average Human" as Superhuman had no explanation (
why is this a theme?). Above Average Human due to carrying around a large amount of weapons and being comparable to Alyx Vance who is capable of fighting Zombies physically, which are capable of throwing Barrels. Gravity Gun is still Class 1, but has slightly more explanation.- Durability was downgraded, kinda. The Airstrike Feat is rejected.
- HL1 Durability without batteries is Small Building level due to taking hits from Zombies (0.007 Tons of TNT), which is then higher after Apprehension where Gordon can encounter Alien Grunts and take hits from them (0.025 Tons of TNT).
- HL2 Durability without batteries is an even higher Small Building level due to taking hits from a Suppression Device and AR2's, which can consistently vaporize other humans and Combine Soldiers in way less hits (0.074 Tons of TNT)
- Both Keys Durability with batteries is Small Building level+ due to being able to take hits from their own explosions point-blank (0.168 Tons of TNT)
- Stamina is now Superhuman instead of High and Intelligence was shortened tremendously.
- Range was upgraded from "Several to Tens of meters" to "Tens to Hundreds of meters" due to what weapons Gordon uses.
- Speaking of weapons: the Standard Equipment section includes the weapon table of the original and improves it and seperates it by Key.
Shorter Version
Everything except the HL1 Crowbar get upgraded to 9-A, with explosives and Experimental Weapons being 9-A+. Gordon's durability is reduced to being comparable to his normal weapons and his durability with batteries are 9-A+. Speed and LS were downgraded and Range was upgraded.
Gordon can no longer socially influence co-workers that want to help him, but he can breath underwater, be stealthy in alien worlds he hasn't seen before and negate damage pretty decently. Gordon also has IPhone Eyelids and Aimbot, but they have questionable canonicity (Any opinions on this would be great).
Seems like we got the okay. Do you want to be the one to make the changes on the main page? It is mostly your work after all.Looking back at the post of this CRT and the previous one, Armorchompy and Abstractions are likely the most knowledgable mods for this CRT.
Was hoping for another mod's approval, but if everyone approves and given that several days have passed without any disagreements, I guess I can make the changes now.Seems like we got the okay. Do you want to be the one to make the changes on the main page? It is mostly your work after all.