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Hakumen vs Bayonetta
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"@Dragon Just because it isn't stated doesn't mean he didn't. I doubt Bayonetta never used witch time against Aesir but it isn't stated so she didn't?"
I guess I could say Bayonetta automatially can use Bazillions because it is never stated she can't. Unless you have more behind it. This point is moot.
"I heavily dislike the idea of healing items being allowed in fights like these, a fight can't go anywhere with them, and it's essentially saying that Bayonetta wins because she's from Hack and Slash."
Sounds personal. And it is apart of her standard equipment. You can't just take away equipment from her when 1) You are not the OP. 2) Because you don't like it.
I guess I could say Bayonetta automatially can use Bazillions because it is never stated she can't. Unless you have more behind it. This point is moot.
"I heavily dislike the idea of healing items being allowed in fights like these, a fight can't go anywhere with them, and it's essentially saying that Bayonetta wins because she's from Hack and Slash."
Sounds personal. And it is apart of her standard equipment. You can't just take away equipment from her when 1) You are not the OP. 2) Because you don't like it.
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What reasons?NickMatt94 said:
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So healing is not allowed? So anyone which healing spells is cheap as well?ZERO7772 said:
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What reasons?
From the people who voted Hakumen at the beginning of this thread before people started debating.
From the people who voted Hakumen at the beginning of this thread before people started debating.
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I say hakumen for reasons above and bayo's matter manipulation is a ragned attack which is not very affected against hakumen because he can just destroy them with okami or use his barriers
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It's fine as long it's part of their abilities or they can do the spell themselves but saying they can heal because they have helings items when 99% of the time is just gameplay thing isn't right , Dante have healing items when he canonly doesn't need it and never used it in any cut scene , it's like unfair advantage for hack and slash character
It just my opinion tho , can't take it from the OP if he says she have them nor i says it shoudn't be allowed but in my matches i never though of putting such a thing
Also this is off topic let close it
It's fine as long it's part of their abilities or they can do the spell themselves but saying they can heal because they have helings items when 99% of the time is just gameplay thing isn't right , Dante have healing items when he canonly doesn't need it and never used it in any cut scene , it's like unfair advantage for hack and slash character
It just my opinion tho , can't take it from the OP if he says she have them nor i says it shoudn't be allowed but in my matches i never though of putting such a thing
Also this is off topic let close it
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@Zero 99% of all video game characters have a healing item of some sort that they have access to, not just Hack and Slash characters. What you like or dislike is irrelivent when it's part of her standard equipment.
Plus Bayonetta has shown several times that she does acually carry around magic lolipops which she eats several times at various points in both games.
Plus Bayonetta has shown several times that she does acually carry around magic lolipops which she eats several times at various points in both games.
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It is moot, saying that Hakumen won't activate one of his main abilities in character because he was only stated to use it against two people is like saying Bayonetta won't use it in character because she was only shown to activate it on rare occasions is stupid.
Fine,
Fine,
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"It is moot, saying that Hakumen won't activate one of his main abilities in character because he was only stated to use it against two people is like saying Bayonetta won't use it in character because she was only shown to activate it on rare occasions is stupid."
Did he do so against Ragna? Did he do so in all his story fights? No. He only did so in a few instances when he KNEW the being he was fighting was a threat. Even then he has to charge. End of story, leave it be.
Did he do so against Ragna? Did he do so in all his story fights? No. He only did so in a few instances when he KNEW the being he was fighting was a threat. Even then he has to charge. End of story, leave it be.
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Well since you're allowed healing items I no longer have any interest in this matchup.ZERO7772 said:
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And there lies the problem, just because he isn't stated to do it doesn't mean he didn't, by that logic Bayo never used witch time against Aesir.Dragonmasterxyz said:
Saying that either one wouldn't use their main ability as soon as they can just because they weren't stated to do it before is redundant.
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Good lord people. You act as though healing items is like a freaking sin. It's literally just healing...
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"And there lies the problem, just because he isn't stated to do it doesn't mean he didn't, by that logic Bayo never used witch time against Aesir."
How do you even?....You know nothing on Aesir powers and abilities section states this. Irrelevant.
"Saying that either one wouldn't use their main ability as soon as they just because they weren't stated to do it before is redundant."
Explain to me why in multiple fights THAT can be a deciding facter when IN CHARACTER. That was a point in Gil vs Bayo, Zeref vs Kenshiro, as well as many other in character fights. This is no different simple as that. Drop it.
How do you even?....You know nothing on Aesir powers and abilities section states this. Irrelevant.
"Saying that either one wouldn't use their main ability as soon as they just because they weren't stated to do it before is redundant."
Explain to me why in multiple fights THAT can be a deciding facter when IN CHARACTER. That was a point in Gil vs Bayo, Zeref vs Kenshiro, as well as many other in character fights. This is no different simple as that. Drop it.
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What does Aesir's powers and abilities section have to do with this?
Because using time killer and witch time is gameplay, unlike those fights where it's shown multiple times how those characters act.
And dropped.
Because using time killer and witch time is gameplay, unlike those fights where it's shown multiple times how those characters act.
And dropped.
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"What does Aesir's powers and abilities section have to do with this?"
YOU keep bringing up Bayo not using WT on Aesir. YOU are bringing up an example that does NOT matter in the long run, since Bayo using WT on Aesir has NOTHING to do with this.
"Because using time killer and which time is gameplay, unlike those fights where it's shown multiple times how those characters act."
What are you even talking about now? Show me more than 3 times in a RANDOM encounter that Hakumen has used Time Killer. Are you telling me he will instantly walk up to someone who has challenged him and used Time Killer when at this time neither are bloodlusted? They are WILLING to kill. That doesn't mean they are GOING to kill. The 3 times he has used it were against foes he KNEW were massive threats.
"What does Aesir's powers and abilities section have to do with this?"
YOU keep bringing up Bayo not using WT on Aesir. YOU are bringing up an example that does NOT matter in the long run, since Bayo using WT on Aesir has NOTHING to do with this.
"Because using time killer and which time is gameplay, unlike those fights where it's shown multiple times how those characters act."
What are you even talking about now? Show me more than 3 times in a RANDOM encounter that Hakumen has used Time Killer. Are you telling me he will instantly walk up to someone who has challenged him and used Time Killer when at this time neither are bloodlusted? They are WILLING to kill. That doesn't mean they are GOING to kill. The 3 times he has used it were against foes he KNEW were massive threats.
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Let me explain for anyone here, these character and their abilites do not exist in a a vacuum. A character has to be either of a certain type to use their best stuff early on and the character they are fighting would have to be perceived as a massive threat.
"Just because Character A has a skill to utterly DESTROY character B, if they are not the type to casually or quickly use said ability in normal situations mean B has a chance if something in their arsenal can take down A before A realizes B is worthy of using it on."
To use Gilgamesh of Fates as one of my favorite examples. He is EXTREMELY arrogant and will not use any of his better stuff unless he really sees his opponenet as worh using them basically.
"Just because Character A has a skill to utterly DESTROY character B, if they are not the type to casually or quickly use said ability in normal situations mean B has a chance if something in their arsenal can take down A before A realizes B is worthy of using it on."
To use Gilgamesh of Fates as one of my favorite examples. He is EXTREMELY arrogant and will not use any of his better stuff unless he really sees his opponenet as worh using them basically.
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Hakumen has used Time Killer twice as far as I know (Terumi, Izanami) and both were used at 20% power. I'm not sure how quick he would charge Time Killer in 100% power but I'd assume it would be much shorter then it was in 20%.
The only other technique that he has that be similar to that of Time Killer is Demonslayer, which he never got to use because Arakune (the one he was going to use it on) ran away, and even then he was reserving it for Terumi. Hakumen will not hesitate to kill you due to him being no-nonsense, but he almost always holds back because he doesn't want to use something like Time Killer or Demonslayer on everyone he fights. Remember, he is no-nonsense, but he is not a cold-stone killer. He will only use these moves if the opponent is a real threat to the world and/or universe.
The only other technique that he has that be similar to that of Time Killer is Demonslayer, which he never got to use because Arakune (the one he was going to use it on) ran away, and even then he was reserving it for Terumi. Hakumen will not hesitate to kill you due to him being no-nonsense, but he almost always holds back because he doesn't want to use something like Time Killer or Demonslayer on everyone he fights. Remember, he is no-nonsense, but he is not a cold-stone killer. He will only use these moves if the opponent is a real threat to the world and/or universe.
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What does Time killer do exactly?
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Kills anyone not Acausal.
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^I meant Acausal...
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Meaning Acausality...
Actually it is 4-1 to 4-2 since Gargoyle tapped out, but his last vote was Bayo. I don't know who Weekly is voting for.
Actually it is 4-1 to 4-2 since Gargoyle tapped out, but his last vote was Bayo. I don't know who Weekly is voting for.
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I'd vote for Bayo for reasons above.
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Okay....So I just researched a bit about time killer and in actuality.....It doesn't see through or manipulate time, in reality it actually erases the time, as pointed out by DragonMasters.
Also, considering that Bazillions actually takes time to charge before fireing and that witch time is useless against Hakumen, Bayonetta may get a few shots out, but then Hakumen will close the gap. Thus I feel Rodin is sort of the only weapon that's useful against Hakumen.
Yes Hakumen doesn't always use Time Killer, but he has shown that he will use his abilities if he has too. As shown when he use his demon killer technique against Arakune when he meant to save it for Terumi.
As such, I vote Bayonetta with high difficulty, he either gets killed by Rodin or time kills.
Also, considering that Bazillions actually takes time to charge before fireing and that witch time is useless against Hakumen, Bayonetta may get a few shots out, but then Hakumen will close the gap. Thus I feel Rodin is sort of the only weapon that's useful against Hakumen.
Yes Hakumen doesn't always use Time Killer, but he has shown that he will use his abilities if he has too. As shown when he use his demon killer technique against Arakune when he meant to save it for Terumi.
As such, I vote Bayonetta with high difficulty, he either gets killed by Rodin or time kills.
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Where does it say Bazillions takes time to charge?
Bazillions: Four guns created by an unknown super-civilization. Powered by an energy source known as Bazillionium, the deep crimson flash from the guns instantly break down the molecular bonds within its target. Able to discern the intent of its user, it is said that these strange, miraculous guns have the power to open a portal to another dimension. Thanks to Rodin, the guns have also gained demonic powers, making them an incredible threat to the denizens of Paradiso.
Bazillions: Four guns created by an unknown super-civilization. Powered by an energy source known as Bazillionium, the deep crimson flash from the guns instantly break down the molecular bonds within its target. Able to discern the intent of its user, it is said that these strange, miraculous guns have the power to open a portal to another dimension. Thanks to Rodin, the guns have also gained demonic powers, making them an incredible threat to the denizens of Paradiso.
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Bazillions aren't going to be affective as it is a ranged attack hakumen can just destroy with okami or use his drive and block them
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If he blocks he gets atomized she can also create portals to snipe him from elsewhere. And I've mentioned everything Bayo can do here on another thread. I'll copy and paste it.
Regen: He won't regenerate from being atomized by Bazillions once Bayo switches to them.
Bayo can also create forcefields and teleport via portal creation. And what you think of them matters not here, but she still has her lollipops to heal her and boost her power
If she were to be killed, she has the Red-Hot Shot that will revive her back to full capacity.
She can poison Hakumen with Kafka.
Bat Within can be used as a way to dodge getting hit.
Pulley's Butterfly will keep Bayo safe until all the butterflies are destroyed.
She can repel attacks with Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa.
Regen: He won't regenerate from being atomized by Bazillions once Bayo switches to them.
Bayo can also create forcefields and teleport via portal creation. And what you think of them matters not here, but she still has her lollipops to heal her and boost her power
If she were to be killed, she has the Red-Hot Shot that will revive her back to full capacity.
She can poison Hakumen with Kafka.
Bat Within can be used as a way to dodge getting hit.
Pulley's Butterfly will keep Bayo safe until all the butterflies are destroyed.
She can repel attacks with Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa.
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