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Hajun

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@Matt

To be fair, on one route, Marie, Reinhard, Ren, and Mercurius managed to beat Hajun by reincarnating his tumor, albeit with the former three dying and Mercurius resetting the multiverse to avert Marie's death.

But I think that "At least 1-A" should be a safe enough spot.
 
As far as I know, there is no such thing as "High 1-A via sheer power". The definition of High 1-A is being boundless. If Hajun is bound by lowly things he can't be High 1-A.
 
should we add a seperate key for Hajun though? with Habaki around his powers are significantly different albeit it's still 1-A
 
I also think that we should wait for A6colute.

Also, it is forbidden to talk badly about the ACF wiki in this community. I still consider it considerably better than our own in terms of in-depth analysis, and we owe them a lot for all of their help to develop the systems of this wiki.

In addition, I think that Hajun's profile there has a mention about that the information in the page is considered somewhat unreliable by the staff:

http://ru.anime-characters-fight.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BD
 
@Fabtastic that's not completely true. Hajun being a Hadou-Gudou God has nothing to do with the Throne. His law is "In spite of everything I want to be alone" (Gudou) "Everything die, leave only me" (Hadou"). Only without the Tumor is Hajun just a Hadou God, that's how Reinhard, Marie, Ren, and Mercury managed to beat him. So he is not High 1-A, he should definitely have a key based on his tumor and no-tumor states. This is coming from someone whose read Kajiri Kamui Kagura, albeit quite a while ago.

Also I agree with Ant, some of the information there may not be objective as the warning on all Kami-sama pages states, but the information itself is pretty much correct.
 
Sorry if I misread but you did say "Pretty sure Hajun was only Hadou-Gudou hybrid when he wasn't a Throne God." That's saying that when Hajun became the Throne God that he was just a Hadou God no?
 
So, do you suggest one 1-A "Without Tumor" key, and one "At least 1-A" "With Tumor" key?
 
Antvasima said:
So, do you suggest one 1-A "Without Tumor" key, and one "At least 1-A" "With Tumor" key?
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yeah the tumor made all the difference in his powers but this confuses me is the tumor is habaki the tumor or tumor sensory? and if he is the tumor then killing him will weaken hajun and him fighting hajun turns hajun into a regular hadou? if he is the tumor sensory idr what that does....crap
 
VenomElite said:
Sorry if I misread but you did say "Pretty sure Hajun was only Hadou-Gudou hybrid when he wasn't a Throne God." That's saying that when Hajun became the Throne God that he was just a Hadou God no?
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What i meant was Hajun existance as Hadou-Gudou God isnt perfect anymore since he took over The Throne. Throne God Hajun mean that he isnt "just Hajun" anymore which is a contradiction to his craving/Law

Tumor is Hajun twin brother which reside inside him. And Habaki is the Tumor's sensory
 
@Antvasima Yes I do

@TISSG7Reserve Habaki is Tumor's sensory which is basically like how Karl Krafft is Mercurius' sensory. Sensories are like avatars, a god's "sense of touch", or something like a vessel in some cases. It's not completely incorrect to say Habaki = Tumor to some extent but the Tumor is a Hadou God while Habaki became a Gudou God. Still an avatar of the Tumor though.
 
Hajun has a twin??? w0t and we should probably add if Habaki/tumor's sensory is nearby Hajun loses power? (I vaguely remember since Habaki one-shotted Hajun but i think because he was there and Hajun became only a regular Hadou god the other example Habaki suddenly got a massive taikyoku boost when Hajun destroyed the last of the souls that weakened hence Habaki one-shotted Tenma Yato after getting ROFL stompped along with everyone else)
 
Hajun has a twin (idk the twin...) and Habaki is basically Hajun's avatar plus they destroyed the throne to detach the tumor from Hajun right?
 
Ok Fab I see what you mean. Yeah your right on both counts. The tumor makes all the difference here. Habaki got his power boost from both Hajun and Tumor and that's how he one-shotted Yatou (who by the way wanted to die because that's the only way the Gudou Gods could even reach Hajun.) Habaki's boost wasn't due to souls and Hajun didn't destroy any souls at that moment. Only during the final battle when Soujirou and Shiori empty the Throne (destroy the multiverse) did Hajun suddenly become stronger because he's reverting back to his prime self.
 
It'll look something like dis

Habaki and friends confront Hajun

Soujirou, Shiori, Ryuusui, Yakou, and Rindou shave off Hajun soul counts (The part where Hajun use the past Gods Laws to attack Habaki's group)

Habaki fights Hajun

Bcoz of Keishirou and Sakuya Moksha Hax. Hajun's Law got cracked a little

From this crack, Tumor was extracted from Hajun and then fused with Habaki

Without Tumor and his soul count is empty, Hajun is just a regular Hadou God & Habaki defeat him

Maybe i missed some details on some parts. But thats basically what happened in KKK final fight in summary
 
then how did Habaki get the boost if Hajun was so weakened


Keishirou and Sakuya's law means they are free from fate and world's law and how does a law crack like they were bypassing it or....?

And Habaki took said tumor and fused it

GDI KKK so hard to translate and figure out ;_;
 
Keishirou and Sakuya are not gods, they have no laws. They freed themselves from Hajun's law which is due to...Moksha hax. Its like a human telling Brahman "I'm not you and your not me. I am me!". Habaki got boosted by fusing with the Tumor. Hajun without the Tumor is still powerful enough to kill three of the strongest Hadou Gods.
 
So, should I temporarily unlock Hajun's profile, so VenomElite can insert the keys, and possibly some clarifications/explanations?
 
so to somewhat review Moksha hax freed them from hajun's law and cracked it hence habaki able to take the tumor and one-shot? then wouldn't habaki get another key if he ever gets a page?
 
Hmm...not really. I'm pretty sure all the crack did was free the laws of the First Heaven and Second Heaven from the Throne. Habaki cutting the Tumor from Hajun was his own doing because he's already the Tumor's sensory, he just had to get close enough to Hajun (Gudou Gods are limited on range). The crack is why Habaki was able to cut Hajun but this is only relevant to the fact that were it not for that crack in his law, Muryou Taisuu would've massacred Habaki..doesn't really boost Habaki in any way. There's too much speculation going on based off what people have heard or saw from the KKK final battle video on YouTube which is just a fanmade interpretation by the way. The game itself says something completely different. Habaki fusing with the Tumor makes no sense when he's already Tumor's sensory. Rindou is the only Hadou besides Yatou and Hajun in KKK. She's the only one capable of giving birth to the next Throne God a.k.a the Tumor.
 
yep.....GDI we need a localization Xd also does anyone think we should wait for EMC, Trex (if he can), Mat and Ever to give their input EMC and Trex in particular played KKK
 
Okay. I will unlock the page. You can tell me here when you are done.
 
No problem. Thank you for the help.
 
What's the "at least"?

I'm pretty sure it's universally agreed upon he's 1-A, not High 1-A

And what happens now? Do we wait for input from DarkLK?
 
DarkLK has said that he is not interested in speculating about a series that he does not know much about.
 
Input from A6colute would be appreciated though.
 
Hmm. Then we have a bit of a problem regarding whether Hajun should be regular 1-A, or "At least 1-A".
 
I also share the opinion of Hajun being simply 1-A. As I understand it High 1-As are usually characters who would be considered Tier 0 if not for the existance of a higher being. Hajun's weaknesses should prevent him from being that tier (Or At least 1-A) I think.
 
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