gwenpool vs kiyotaka (0-0-9) grace

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah, I not seeing how that is impressive. He also have to try to convice her while she tries to kill him, with her unloading guns and granades at him.

It's not like he will stay still while doing that

Moreover, If both are in character, Does she even normally kill a normal highschool student?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Voting Koji

Koji managed to break down mentally people before so he has experience in it ig

Kei who even while being bullied would never share her secrets got rked mentally by Koji within a conversation of no more than 10 mins max

And recently Ichinose who may or may not have better willpower than Kei after the rumor incident

I really don't see how that proves he can do this, none of that seems any more impressive than stuff real life humans have done. I don't think that would be enough to convince someone like Gwenpool, who has 4th wall awareness of her status as a comic book character, that she isn't the main character, especially with some nobody high school student she doesn't know

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

It's not like he will stay still while doing that

Grenades have large enough AOE to engulf him in flames meaning he'll eventually be hit.
Rapid Machine gunfire will cook him aswell.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Not only this but SBA location is central park. Kiyo has limited places to hide which both rapid fire and explosions from grenades would destroy both the structure and him.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I really don't see how that proves he can do this, none of that seems any more impressive than stuff real life humans have done. I don't think that would be enough to convince someone like Gwenpool, who has 4th wall awareness of her status as a comic book character

This part is irrelevant when Koji isn't even part of her verse

, that she isn't the main character, especially with some nobody high school student she doesn't know

I don't see how she will go all out on a normal highschooler

Grenades have large enough AOE to engulf him in flames meaning he'll eventually be hit.

He can just get away lol, Just look at her hands throwing the grenade and then run or get behind smth

Rapid Machine gunfire will cook him aswell.

Aim dodge

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Not only this but SBA location is central park. Kiyo has limited places to hide which both rapid fire and explosions from grenades would destroy both the structure and him.

Central park means there is legit a ton of trees to hide and get cover, A central park looks like this;

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Not to mention Koji has arguagly better stealth mastery than her too

 

[Tomfer]

Her plot manip from what i have seen only works for life threatning scenarios

I don't see how you would think that? All of her powers are related to plot pratically.

And to be honest, anything Koji tries to do, she can just exit the comic panel and attack him from somewhere he just can't see. I don't even know where those incons even come from.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

This part is irrelevant when Koji isn't even part of her verse

That's not the point of his post. It's to provide reasoning on why she'd be very hard to convince with the feats kiyo has shown.

I don't see how she will go all out on a normal highschooler

I don't see how that matters. He's isn't important to her such as those like Deadpool nor does she have much sympathy for innocent people. As long as they oppose her, she is willing to do what is uttermost to finish them.

He can just get away lol, Just look at her hands throwing the grenade and then run or get behind smth

Get away to where? This is equal speed she'll chase him with incredible acrobatics and blast him to bits. Seeing her hand movements means nothing if he can't do anything about the explosion itself. Central park has limited stuff to hide from which her fire arms and grenades can easily destroy individually.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Central park means there is legit a ton of trees to hide and get cover, A central park looks like this;

Ok? 9-B grenades and Rapid Fire will take down both Kiyo and the trees he hides behind, he'll eventually be hit and he'd have no room to speak but focus on dodging.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't see how you would think that? All of her powers are related to plot pratically.

Because her plot manip only activates when her life is in danger? Check the scans

And to be honest, anything Koji tries to do, she can just exit the comic panel and attack him from somewhere he just can't see. I don't even know where those incons even come from.

She isn't in her verse though, Also Koji has enhanced senses for that

Also she needs to be in her 2nd key for that

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ok? 9-B grenades and Rapid Fire will take down both Kiyo and the trees he hides behind, he'll eventually be hit and he'd have no room to speak but focus on dodging.

Not if she doesn't know where he is, He has stealth mastery and she doesn't have enhanced senses

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He can pin her down without actually trying to kill her and try to convince her to give up

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Not to mention Koji has arguagly better stealth mastery than her too

Stealth is meaningless without a good material to hide behind. She'd just fire everywhere in sight and he'll eventually be hit, not like he can actually damage her physically to begin with so his only option here is to run.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Stealth is meaningless without a good material to hide behind. She'd just fire everywhere in sight and he'll eventually be hit, not like he can actually damage her physically to begin with so his only option here is to run.

Bullets don't pierce thick trees and grenades needs to be thrown near the target

Throwing randomly won't mean the bomb will explode near Koji

 

[Tomfer]

Because her plot manip only activates when her life is in danger? Check the scans

Checking all scans and checked weakness, nothing there says that.

She isn't in her verse though, Also Koji has enhanced senses for that

She not being in the verse is stupid and not a good excuse, her powers should work regardless or this match should be put on Fun and Games since it's restricting her main gimmick. And enhances senses do not work from a place where it's outside normal world, extra perception might work but enhanced senses no.

Also she needs to be in her 2nd key for that

And why would that scan from her exiting the panel be in her first key then? It's there twice even.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bullets don't pierce thick trees

Yes they do?? But it depends. A 40 cal can pierce through thick barriers of lead.... What do you think a machine gun would do if it's hitting the same target with endless bullets repeated times at high speeds? This is a high powered fire arm we're talking about, not a P shooter.

Throwing randomly won't mean the bomb will explode near Koji

It will eventually as all kiyo does here is run and hide. With her incredible acrobatics she'll search the entire area until he's eventually found unless he can magically disappear like batman, I don't see how he'll hide hours upon hours in a limited space while Gwen is clearing the area.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Shit, Gwen doesn't even have acrobatics on the profile I just realized. Mann wth she has that inverse. I misread.

But she can still search the area hours upon hours and I'm sure she'll eventually find him unless he can somehow disappear

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Checking all scans and checked weakness, nothing there says that.

The scans only shows her only in life threating situations, Assuming things without showing scans of it working for different purposes is NFL

She not being in the verse is stupid and not a good excuse, her powers should work regardless or this match should be put on Fun and Games since it's restricting her main gimmick.

Her powers legit is only applicable in-verse, She can see stuff because she is in marvel and shit, Like legit is only for marvel stuff

And enhances senses do not work from a place where it's outside normal world, extra perception might work but enhanced senses no.

He can sense presences, She still needs to get out of that place to hit

And why would that scan from her exiting the panel be in her first key then? It's there twice even.

The difference being;

Breaking the Fourth Wall - Means she is aware she is fictional AND can join comics and ONLY join not get out of pages, Otherwise the profile would specify that or would add that to her first key too

Reality Warping - Means she can pull a sponge bob

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Shit, Gwen doesn't even have acrobatics on the profile I just realized. Mann wth she has that inverse. I misread.

But she can still search the area hours upon hours and I'm sure she'll eventually find him unless he can somehow disappear

Above average stamina against superhuman haha

 

[Catbowtie]

Wait wait

Ayanokoji have full knowlegement

Ayano have all his equipament

• Baton
• Stun Gun
• Knife

Doesn't Kiyotaka just Stealth around, Stun Gwen, then pin her down while using Social Influencing?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah, Also is my vote counted btw?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Her powers legit is only applicable in-verse, She can see stuff because she is in marvel and shit, Like legit is only for marvel stuff

It works so long as she thinks she's the main character, I don't see why it wouldn't work here if she assumes she's the main character of the VS Battle

Wait wait



Doesn't Kiyotaka just Stealth around, Stun Gwen, then pin her down while using Social Influencing?

If she has her powers Ayano's just going to miss with the stun gun, and this is assuming he can even talk her out of thinking she's the main character

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Above average stamina against superhuman haha

No one wins then . Kiyo runs the whole match & can't hit her while Gwen unloads the whole match. W incon

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Doesn't Kiyotaka just Stealth around, Stun Gwen, then pin her down while using Social Influencing?

How's he gonna bypass her Plot Hax and Luck for this to work.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It works so long as she thinks she's the main character, I don't see why it wouldn't work here if she assumes she's the main character of the VS Battle

Except for the fact she doesn't know vsbattle lol, So not applicable still

Also her plot manip is for life threatning situations, Her 4th wall break ability isn't

If she has her powers Ayano's just going to miss with the stun gun, and this is assuming he can even talk her out of thinking she's the main character

No because the taser won't kill her

No one wins then . Kiyo runs the whole match & can't hit her while Gwen unloads the whole match. W incon

You know she doesn't have inf ammo and grenades right?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

ORR get close to her when she has barriers and guns

 

[XxZetsuxX]

How's he gonna bypass her Plot Hax and Luck for this to work.

Again, The taser won't kill her, So it doesn't count as life threatning

Tasers are outright meant to stun people not kill

 

[Fezzih_007]

Stun Gwen

He gonna miss due to her plot armor.

Yeah, Also is my vote counted btw?

Not yet, due to reasoning being lacking.
I kinda need a better wincon, since his SI is not gonna be good enough.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Again, The taser won't kill her, So it doesn't count as life threatning

It doesn't matter if it's life threatening or not. Her luck stops her from being hit hence why she just runs through Dr Doom attacks.

 

[Catbowtie]

Is her powers Passive or something? What's stopping Kiyotaka killing his presence, walking up to Gwenpool, grabbing her, and tasing her. If he misses, he still has her pinned, and they can just sit like that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He gonna miss due to her plot armor.

For god's sake, Her ability is for life threatning situations, You need to show a instance where her plot manip works outside of it

Not yet, due to reasoning being lacking.
I kinda need a better wincon, since his SI is not gonna be good enough.

Kinda not how it works, You need to count it :/

I am pretty sure i gave reasoning too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It doesn't matter if it's life threatening or not. Her luck stops her from being hit hence why she just runs through Dr Doom attacks.

Her luck activates along with her plot manip

Again, Show me a scan where it works on a normal situation

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Is her powers Passive or something?

Yes. The plot itself demands she receives no damage. Anything that's potentially harmful against her will be jinxed by her luck.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes. The plot itself demands she receives no damage. Anything that's potentially harmful against her will be jinxed by her luck.

No, It activates as long as she thinks she is the MC, It's an active ability not passive

 

[Catbowtie]

So...just a Stomp then? SI isn't a good win condition, and Kiyotaka theoretically can't even hit Gwenpool. Is there a circumstance where Kiyotaka can win?

 

[Fezzih_007]

For god's sake, Her ability is for life threatning situations, You need to show a instance where her plot manip works outside of it

No its not.

Here spidey trowing webs at her and missing.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

No, It activates as long as she thinks she is the MC, It's an active ability not passive

But she always thinks of herself as the MC Zetsu?? That her character trait hence why it would be passive & you'd need to break her ego

 

[XxZetsuxX]

No its not.

Here spidey trowing webs at her and missing.

You are forgetting the lighting coming at her too, Don't ignore the lighting

 

[Catbowtie]

Gwen's profile is so dog****.