Gray definitely doesn't have more combat experience or skill.
i see, thanks for the clarification Gin
The statement of True Kamui being beyond zero is dubious at best as it was taken from some weekly shonen magazine. Even then, logically speaking, that statement would be false as AZ is the temperature where there is virtually no energy in motion, or at least no energy released as heat. You can't go past Absolute Zero because there is no more kinetic or thermal energy AT absolute zero.
… how does it coming from a magazine that publishes the FT manga make it dubious at all? You realise the statement is from the manga right? Those stuff along the sides of a panel telling you what is happening in the story. And you forget this is fiction where people go FTL. Stuff not being scientifically accurate doesn’t mean shit.
Prove Viltrumites have superior resistances if they are stronger. You can also prove that strpnger ones straight up resist AZ forever while you’re at it. Then you can prove that they resist something even colder than AZ.
It’ll be seen as NLF because it is. Ganondorf is stated to only be able to be beaten by someone with the Master Sword and it’s stated that only a Mangekyo Sharingan can defeat a Mangekyo Sharingan. You bout to start arguing Solo King Itachi stomps fiction or that Ganon will never lose to somebody not Link?
No im not, and frick you for suggesting that. Im not suggesting someone like ganon can't be defeated by other holy weapons or itachi is invincible (pun not intended), but I do think that since its been stated in source material that viltrumites can resist both AZ and High heat, but only the heat has been explained and shown how they destroy viltrumite cells (destabilization of DNA), I don't think its likely that AZ will cause the same destabilization that heat can do to viltrumites, since AZ is specifically a lack of heat. Given that viltrumate cells can move energy in order to resist extreme changes in temeperature, I think Invincible could resist Gray's attacks long enough to land a killing blow.
Legitimately I can't, since its only stated within source material. Then again, you are using a statement to suggest Gray's Ice is AZ so.....
I don't get the whole point of this, but the whole point of my argument is that with Invincible natural resistance to AZ, which all vitrumites have, his power surpassing that of normal viltrumites and the power boost he got from Atom Eve, Invincible could likely take the win before Gray's ice overwhelms him, and that the True Ice Kamui would not "oneshot" Invincible like you think it can. Given that Invicible is stronger in most placements of his power (Mid-High end), AZ can't be the only factor that would end the fight.
The "statement" used comes from a shonen editor weekly quote, which although publishing the manga should not be considered the same viewpoint as the writer for fairy tale. Aside from that, its not stated in the manga itself or other source material that invel's ice goes "beyond" absolute zero, and even then the statement given could more or less be seen as hyperbole or an exaggeration. Gray does mention that invel's ice is colder than his own, but that could just be due to a difference in power types since Gray uses Ice-Make magic to create ice constructs while Invel primarily focuses on pure ice-magic, that is to say, freezing everything. I should also mention that gray only won that fight because he used his own ice make powers to turn Invel's own ice against him allowing him to shatter the true Ice Kamui. Not to say he didnt possibly copy it, but still.
And I’m asking you to prove that resistances to hax correlate with the character’s strength. If you can’t do that, you are just arguing headcanon.
And you understand that beyond AZ statement is in Gray’s source material too right? Difference is that the statement for my argument actually says what I am arguing, yours doesn’t.
I know what you are trying to argue, I’m telling you to prove it. Beyond AZ > AZ. Mark is only stated to resist the latter, something that doesn’t apply to the former unless stated or shown.
An opinion … not relevant here. It’s in the manga and was accepted on the profile, that’s all that’s needed.
Wahl has the ability to create 200 million degrees Celsius, Invel’s basic ice can’t be melted by Wahl, Natsu melts his ice.
Huh? Ignoring the fact that Natsu’s fire temp has nothing to do with True-Ice, why would I randomly impose limit on the verse? Natsu’s fire isn’t limited by the 200 million degrees or science. If the next chapter of 100 YQ comes along and says that his flames surpass AH, I wouldn’t bat an eye at fiction going beyond irl science because that’s what this shit does. AZ is the complete lack of energy and causes matter to fall apart so Viltrumite smart cells still having energy means they aren’t at AZ. The science you are trying to argue here completely negs your own resistance argument. You can’t even say that there is a statement for viltrumites since there is a statement for True-Ice as well. If you accept one, you have to accept the other
You clearly can’t read between the lines. We follow science but the limits for science are not the limits of fiction. Something being impossible irl doesn’t stop something from being possible in a story.
Still published in the source material and it doesn’t need to be brought up again when it doesn’t make sense. True-Ice being beyond AZ doesn’t need to be brought up more than once as it’s only there for one fight.
How is it an exaggeration? They list a temp and then state it’s even colder.
So not good enough.
That’s their heat resistance, not AZ. Not relevant to the discussion at hand.
And what do you think he will do when Mark just smashes through the rest of his ice?
Baseless assertion.
And which number does he scale to? Until you find out which one, he scales to the lowest figure. Do list the other wincons.
So you are just ignoring the profiles because you disagree with them? That’s what? Double standards, arguing from incredulity, ignoring scans so far? Lots of bias. Guess Imma just disagree with everything you bring up for Mark too … wait, I’m already doing that but unlike you, what I’ve argued is on the profile and actually stated to be the case and not unfounded conjecture.
