Gravity Falls - Dipper taking an explosion (or not)

[StrymULTRA]

The feat is this, and the calc is this.

In short, I am making this thread because of @Hagane_no_Saiyajin making a decent point about taking the feat in question:

"What says that the explosion wasn't mostly, if not entirely covered already by the top half of the droid?", because this can indeed hinder with the amount of energy taken from Dipper, thus potentially nerfing the feat, if not invalidating it entirely.

I personally have no idea on how to respond to this, so let's discuss it here.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Checking this again, yeah the explosion was caused by the top of the droid. Though, Dipper was near the bottom away from the top, so I agree surface area needs to be accounted for.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Checking this again, yeah the explosion was caused by the top of the droid. Though, Dipper was near the bottom away from the top, so I agree surface area needs to be accounted for.

Let's see then...

• Red line = Dipper's height = 45 px = 1.1334370085470026 m
• Green line = Distance between Dipper and the top = 462 px = 11.64 m

Meaning that:

• Intensity = (68.84 Tons of TNT) / (4*π*((11.64)^2)) = 0.0404319825 Tons of TNT per m^2
• How much Dipper tanked = 0.425 * 0.0404319825 = 0.01718359256 Tons

Aka the feat would become just 9-A.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

But Dipper being below the droid means he would have needed to fly through the entire explosion, including center. I don’t see why he wouldn’t scale to full explosion.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Explosions dissipate real fast, you take the full blast for a VERY short amount of time.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Explosions dissipate real fast, you take the full blast for a VERY short amount of time.

And droid was very fast as well, so this does not matter much. Explosion was still there even after droid flew out of it.

 

[StrymULTRA]

And droid was very fast as well, so this does not matter much.

It does because it's not fast enough tbf.

Explosion was still there even after droid flew out of it.

Ok? But the major shockwave with most of the energy would have already be gone.

These are non-arguments, I'll just wait for an ACTUAL CGM's input here because this is ridiculous.

 

[Monsters_fight]

Does this mean Humans will become 9-A/8-C?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Does this mean Humans will become 9-A/8-C?

8-C via Gideon's calc yes

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Re-checking the feat, yeah, the downgrade looks fine

 

[Damage3245]

The re-calc seems fine to me.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

8-C via Gideon's calc yes

I'm looking at the Gideon feat itself, and I agree that it's rather weird, did Gideon really take the explosion at all? The scene more implies that his mecha protected him enabling him to survive, after all wouldn't Gideon have installed some safety measures incase the mecha got wreck with him in it? Although just to be clear, I agree with the soil pulverization part of it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The scene more implies that his mecha protected him enabling him to survive, after all wouldn't Gideon have installed some safety measures incase the mecha got wreck with him in it?

Tbh that makes sense. Especially if Dipper's feat is rejected, then I don't see why Gideon's would be still there, given he is literally inside of a gigantic robot which should have absorped a lot of energy for him.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I'm looking at the Gideon feat itself, and I agree that it's rather weird, did Gideon really take the explosion at all? The scene more implies that his mecha protected him enabling him to survive, after all wouldn't Gideon have installed some safety measures incase the mecha got wreck with him in it? Although just to be clear, I agree with the soil pulverization part of it.

I don't really think so.

He was at the center of the explosion because of him being right inside the mech, it having a mechanism to protect the pilot from the thing EXPLODING is definitely pretty far fetched for my taste.

One thing is wrecking, another is exploding.

Edit: the mechanics of the feats are also different. Dipper here is outside the mech and takes an explosion while being at a distance from the center of the explosion.

Gideon instead is INSIDE the mech, from where the explosion originates from. Unlike Dipper, there's literally no reason why Gideon wouldn't take the full yield outside assumption on an unstated safety system.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If you guys still have issues with Gideon's calc, make a whole other CRT for it, as the purpose of this thread is only on Dipper's.

The re-calc seems fine to me.

Checking this again, yeah the explosion was caused by the top of the droid. Though, Dipper was near the bottom away from the top, so I agree surface area needs to be accounted for.

Would 2 CGMs agreeing mean it's possible to apply the changes? Idk how it works here.

 

[Damage3245]

Would 2 CGMs agreeing mean it's possible to apply the changes? Idk how it works here.

Should be fine, I believe.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

He was at the center of the explosion because of him being right inside the mech, it having a mechanism to protect the pilot from the thing EXPLODING is definitely pretty far fetched for my taste.

Gideon instead is INSIDE the mech, from where the explosion originates from. Unlike Dipper, there's literally no reason why Gideon wouldn't take the full yield outside assumption on an unstated safety system.

Except that we see that the mech was practically still intact from the explosion (or whatever it was), are we trying to say that Ford is 8-B+ for tanking the explosion inside the mech too?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Except that we see that the mech was practically still intact from the explosion (or whatever it was)

Irrelevant, as the source is still from the inside.

are we trying to say that Ford is 8-B+ for tanking the explosion inside the mech too?

This is the most spiteful, dishonest, and absurd argument you could ever make.

The explosion happened from OUTSIDE the Droid, not the inside like Gideon's case.

How can you even compare the both of them.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The explosion happened from OUTSIDE the Droid, not the inside like Gideon's case.

Huh? I’m pretty sure that in both cases, the cause of explosion is the contact of the mech with the earth. There is literally nothing explosive within the mech, it’s virtually empty.

These situations are indeed comparable.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Huh? I’m pretty sure that in both cases, the cause of explosion is the contact of the mech with the earth. There is literally nothing explosive within the mech, it’s virtually empty.

These situations are indeed comparable.

Yours is a non-argument because it still originated from inside the thing.

Regardless, just to show how incompetent y'all are when arguing, I just checked the feat again using the frame-by-frame and...

The thing happened from the outside, meaning that the Mech absorbed the impact, making the amount Gideon took unquantifiable.

At least back up your arguments instead of making me waste time in searching proofs in your favor, christ.

Checking this again, yeah the explosion was caused by the top of the droid. Though, Dipper was near the bottom away from the top, so I agree surface area needs to be accounted for.

The re-calc seems fine to me.

This pretty much takes away Tier 8 stuff from the verse, and leaves us with the 9-A thing of above, as it scales to pretty much everyone is backed from a lot of 9-B to 9-B+ feats.

Re-checking the feat, yeah, the downgrade looks fine

There's Rumble's feat of 0.0284 Tons, which is still 9-A, however I am unsure of who scales to it given that Rumble stomped the crap outta Dipper and Robbie, and stronger adults like Stanley or Ford don't have better feats than him either.

There I dunno much, but I am fine if no one scales to Rumble.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yours is a non-argument because it still originated from inside the thing.

Regardless, just to show how incompetent y'all are when arguing

How the HELL is that a non-argument??? I literally told you that there are ZERO explosives inside of the mech, I sent the scan there, meaning that the ONLY possible source of the explosion is the contact with earth, just like with Dipper-Ford-Droid: how is it a freaking non-argument????
This genuinely pisses me off. You don’t read, you don’t care, you dismiss EVERY SINGLE argument like it’s nothing and that we’re all dumbasses unless it’s your own specific way of arguing.

 

[StrymULTRA]

How the HELL is that a non-argument??? I literally told you that there are ZERO explosives inside of the mech, I sent the scan there, meaning that the ONLY possible source of the explosion is the contact with earth, just like with Dipper-Ford-Droid: how is it a freaking non-argument????

Devices being technically empty doesn't prevent them from exploding from the inside because it's still fiction, and if visuals show otherwise, who are we to talk?

This genuinely pisses me off. You don’t read, you don’t care, you dismiss EVERY SINGLE argument like it’s nothing and that we’re all dumbasses unless it’s your own specific way of arguing.

Tbh I did send actual evidence even in your favor lol.

Regardless of said my piece above and stop bringing this up, it's already over.

The main concern is if there's anyone scaling to Rumble's calc as said above.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Devices being technically empty doesn't prevent them from exploding from the inside because it's still fiction, and if visuals show otherwise, who are we to talk?

The point was — from my PoV, you basically assumed it was from inside and simply rejected every logical deduction against that just because of this assumption.

Tbh I did send actual evidence even in your favor lol.

I know, and you know that my frustration was not about downgrading GF, it was more about you unfairly dismissing my arguments, at least from my POV.

Regardless of said my piece above and stop bringing this up, it's already over.

Right. Everything else would be a derailing.

The main concern is if there's anyone scaling to Rumble's calc as said above.

That’s how it used to be (for durability but not AP for some reason).

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

There's Rumble's feat of 0.0284 Tons, which is still 9-A, however I am unsure of who scales to it given that Rumble stomped the crap outta Dipper and Robbie, and stronger adults like Stanley or Ford don't have better feats than him either.

There I dunno much, but I am fine if no one scales to Rumble.

I guess Normal Humans should at least downscale given how Dipper could still tank attacks from Rumble and even survive his special attack (Which is obviously far superior to any of his normal techniques), albeit, of course, he left the fight injured

The 9-B+ feat of The Manotaurs was also done extremely casually and Dipper became stronger than them since he overpowered the Multi-Bear, who the Manotaurs were scared of, so yeah, he scaling to 9-A is plausible imo

 

[StrymULTRA]

I guess Normal Humans should at least downscale given how Dipper could still tank attacks from Rumble and even survive his special attack (Which is obviously far superior to any of his normal techniques), albeit, of course, he left the fight injured

I do not think that simply surviving is enough to scale, as you aren't downscaling from cars running over you because you ain't always dying from these, especially when Dipper and Robbie both were frightened enough from the dude to the point they think he's capable of killing them (1, 2 and 3)

Dipper also managed to deal only minimal damage to Rumble, I don't think any downscaling metric is applicable here at all, given that Dipper later on even called him "the champion of champions".

The 9-B+ feat of The Manotaurs was also done extremely casually and Dipper became stronger than them since he overpowered the Multi-Bear, who the Manotaurs were scared of, so yeah, he scaling to 9-A is plausible imo

He already does scale to 9-A because of this.

Let's see then...

• Red line = Dipper's height = 45 px = 1.1334370085470026 m
• Green line = Distance between Dipper and the top = 462 px = 11.64 m

Meaning that:

• Intensity = (68.84 Tons of TNT) / (4*π*((11.64)^2)) = 0.0404319825 Tons of TNT per m^2
• How much Dipper tanked = 0.425 * 0.0404319825 = 0.01718359256 Tons

Aka the feat would become just 9-A.

The gap between Dipper's and Rumble's calcs is also of around x1.65.

Besides we do technically have 8-Cs being able to minimally harm High 8-Cs, so this isn't that weird either.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I will try to answer by tomorrow, i'm busy rn