Grandfather vs Naruto Uzumaki

[Phantasys]

TSO do not ignore durability nor can they split atoms they may attack on a atomic level but they never have been shown to disable the bonds. So again TSO do not ignore durability attacking on the attomic level does not ignore durability this is a common misconception.

Actually it was stated by the sandaima to work just like the tsuchikages dust/particle style.
http://*************/manga/naruto/v63/c639/11.html

Dust release doesn't ignore durability either.

 

[Aparajita]

There *are* abilities that ignore convential durability. It was shown on the Darth Sideous vs Kaguya fight.

I don't know enough about Naruto to know if TSB if ID or not, but i've always seen atomic level attacks ignore durability.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

UncleSpaceman writesNaruto speed blitz's Grandfather with a Truthseeker Orb

Than they bounce off his superior durability to their attack potency. They do not ignore durability naruto can't hurt grand father he has to rely on his hax abilities in this fight

Unless i'm mistaken, they're atomic, meaning they do ignore durability if other fights involving TSB is to be trusted.

They don't though, we've seen naruto have trouble getting them through an iceberg. Ignore durability is just fanfiction.
Because TSBs don't work on jutsu created with Six Paths chakra which encompasses everything in Kaguya's Dimensions which were created with Expansive TSB. Other than that it works like Dust Release. And how does Dust Release not ignore convetional durability?

 

[Phantasys]

Okay...we have no evidence that Kaguya did make them with TSB, that's an assumption, for all we know she simply found those dimensions and chose there to teleport them. Even the Naruto wiki states that she merely has access to them, with nothing stating that they were indeed created by her.

Dust release doesn't have ID because Onoki's Jinton was torn apart by Madara's Susanoo which had no sage chakra in it whatsoever.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

It's heavily implied she created them since Expansive Truthseeking Orb description says she uses it to create and destroy worlds. Either she made ice to trap them at that moment so it's still infused with Six Paths chakra. Plus, Naruto couldn't move to control the Gudodama. Also, why do you think it was so important for Guy not to touch them?

Scan or chapter for Jinton being torn apart by Susanoo? What do you think it does if it doesn't ignore durability? Why would Onoki say it works on the atomic level?

 

[Phantasys]

It's heavily implied she created them since Expansive Truthseeking Orb description says she uses it to create and destroy worlds. Either she made ice to trap them at that moment so it's still infused with Six Paths chakra. Plus, Naruto couldn't move to control the Gudodama. Also, why do you think it was so important for Guy not to touch them?
Scan or chapter for Jinton being torn apart by Susanoo? What do you think it does if it doesn't ignore durability? Why would Onoki say it works on the atomic level?

No, actually the ETSB was only under special circumstances of having to subdue the rampaging chakras inside her, it uses a crapton of chakra, something she tries to avoid using too much of. There's no way she'd use it if it wasn't completely necessary.

Naruto COULD actually move them while in the ice, they merely struggled to get through the ice. That's more evidence towards the fact that the environment wasn't sage powered as TSB has never damaged anything that has sage chakra before, the fact that the TSB are indeed moving a little means that there isn't any sage chakra present.

http://www.***********.net/naruto/588/16

Jinton gets split in half.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

She created the dimensions herself its proven not only in the databooks but from the manga she has been shown to be one with her dimensions.But furthermore Black Zetsu stating what he did about the bijuu stabilizing all the elements ,her huge TSB and it being the start of a new dimension or time space using the original viz translations.

 

[Phantasys]

She created the dimensions herself its proven not only in the databooks but from the manga she has been shown to be one with her dimensions.But furthermore Black Zetsu stating what he did about the bijuu stabilizing all the elements ,her huge TSB and it being the start of a new dimension or time space using the original viz translations.

Okay...do you have a scan of that?

Being one with nature doesn't mean she created it, starting a new timespace could literally mean anything, it also doesn't suggest at all that she created the pre-existing dimensions. Even if she did create them there's nothing that suggests that those places did have sage mode chakra, the fact that Naruto can damage the ice slightly signifies that they don't. Sage mode disables TSB's ability to damage things as seen when Naruto kicked aside Madara's, if the environment had sage mode chakra Naruto's TSB should be frozen in place, not moving every so slightly.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Of what i stated sure.

Being one with her world prove it so.Its actually common in fiction for characters to be one with their dimensions or sometimes universes.And yes it does imply she did imagine for example there being a specific goal record that is memorable in soccer for doing a goal.Someone specifies what happened during that event and further states "its the start of a new record" doesnt that clearly imply it refering to a previous event? To be more specific it was implied that her huge TSB was used for the latter.And false ....sage chakra is the blending of natural energy and ones chakra nature doesnt have sage chakra itself.

 

[Phantasys]

Of what i stated sure.
Being one with her world prove it so.Its actually common in fiction for characters to be one with their dimensions or sometimes universes.And yes it does imply she did imagine for example there being a specific goal record that is memorable in soccer for doing a goal.Someone specifies what happened during that event and further states "its the start of a new record" doesnt that clearly imply it refering to a previous event? To be more specific it was implied that her huge TSB was used for the latter.And false ....sage chakra is the blending of natural energy and ones chakra nature doesnt have sage chakra itself.

Ah, good so that still proves TSB doesn't ignore durability as it had trouble making its way through ice that by all means shouldn't have been able to put up resistance if the TSB was truly as invincible as some claim.

 

[Hyperception]

Grandfather due to hax and durability

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Of what i stated sure.
Being one with her world prove it so.Its actually common in fiction for characters to be one with their dimensions or sometimes universes.And yes it does imply she did imagine for example there being a specific goal record that is memorable in soccer for doing a goal.Someone specifies what happened during that event and further states "its the start of a new record" doesnt that clearly imply it refering to a previous event? To be more specific it was implied that her huge TSB was used for the latter.And false ....sage chakra is the blending of natural energy and ones chakra nature doesnt have sage chakra itself.

Ah, good so that still proves TSB doesn't ignore durability as it had trouble making its way through ice that by all means shouldn't have been able to put up resistance if the TSB was truly as invincible as some claim.

Scan of TSB having issues going through ice? No? Didn't think so. Keep it moving...

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Are we like going to decide who wins here or what cause it seems like this is another Naruto discussion when this is a battle thread going on...

 

[Antoniofer]

Seems like that, Cross; maybe I should put this like a Inconclusive match before this get out of control...

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Seems like that, Cross; maybe I should put this like a Inconclusive match before this get out of control...

Might as well. I can set the inconclusive for Naruto while you do this for Grandfather. If anything, seems like this got derailed from a fighting thread to a talk about one's ability.

 

[Phantasys]

Of what i stated sure.
Being one with her world prove it so.Its actually common in fiction for characters to be one with their dimensions or sometimes universes.And yes it does imply she did imagine for example there being a specific goal record that is memorable in soccer for doing a goal.Someone specifies what happened during that event and further states "its the start of a new record" doesnt that clearly imply it refering to a previous event? To be more specific it was implied that her huge TSB was used for the latter.And false ....sage chakra is the blending of natural energy and ones chakra nature doesnt have sage chakra itself.

Ah, good so that still proves TSB doesn't ignore durability as it had trouble making its way through ice that by all means shouldn't have been able to put up resistance if the TSB was truly as invincible as some claim.

Scan of TSB having issues going through ice? No? Didn't think so. Keep it moving...

http://www.***********.net/naruto/682/14

Right here.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

It's heavily implied she created them since Expansive Truthseeking Orb description says she uses it to create and destroy worlds. Either she made ice to trap them at that moment so it's still infused with Six Paths chakra. Plus, Naruto couldn't move to control the Gudodama. Also, why do you think it was so important for Guy not to touch them?

Scan or chapter for Jinton being torn apart by Susanoo? What do you think it does if it doesn't ignore durability? Why would Onoki say it works on the atomic level?

No, actually the ETSB was only under special circumstances of having to subdue the rampaging chakras inside her, it uses a crapton of chakra, something she tries to avoid using too much of. There's no way she'd use it if it wasn't completely necessary.
Naruto COULD actually move them while in the ice, they merely struggled to get through the ice. That's more evidence towards the fact that the environment wasn't sage powered as TSB has never damaged anything that has sage chakra before, the fact that the TSB are indeed moving a little means that there isn't any sage chakra present.

http://www.***********.net/naruto/588/16

Jinton gets split in half.

Actually Black Zetsu says that when Kaguya uses it it's the start of a new time-space which backs up the databook description that states she uses it to create and destroy worlds:




This makes it most likely that the Ice dimension was created by Kaguya and thus infused with ice chakra, and anyway the ice that Kaguya summoned to trap Naruto and Sasuke was stated by Kakashi to be Kaguya's technique, so either way, it's powered up with Sage chakra. The TSB moving a little doesn't prove they weren't sage powered. Obito used TSB against Naruto and Sasuke's Sage powered attacks and the raw power of it still damaged them, it just didn't have the disintegrating effect.

Also, why do you think it was so important for Guy not to touch the TSB?

As for Jinton, Onoki literally described it as destroying someone on the atomic level. In the scan you posted it doesn't look like Madara's Susanoo is even touching it..

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I'm just gonna close this now...