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Granblue Fantasy cosmology update (2-B or possible low 1-C)
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The quote I just linked you
It's Low 1-C unless you can prove the universe's cosmology 8s Low 1-A.
Because transcending dimensions is treated the same way as transcending space and time. They don't automatically give you a Tier 1 rating due to how frequently they're not used correctly.
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The concept of dimensions would include the concept of dimensionality in general, which includes aleph-2. Transcending dimensions is just transcending all the dimensions that exists, not dimensionality in general
Either way, there needs to be a CRT for whether or not transcending the concept of dimensions is 1-A because we have verses at 1-A mostly due to that
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Oh that one. its the gacha weapon for Shiva's Summer Version.
We actually have a set up rule to avoid using Gacha weapons due to how most of the time they do not appear in story (with exception to Grand weapons during their FLB and some Weapon)
that Weapon alone is very standalone and it has no supporting context or weapon lore about it unlike other weapons. so I'm very against using it even as supporting evidence for things.
then the rest would be 2-B or 2-C depending on their independent feat on the branching timeline manifold in Sky-realm
But if the weapon itself can also be used as supporting statement for low 1-C then I'll agree with it although i'm really against using that specific weapons for supporting statement
I'll make a follow up comment to list profiles that will be affected. though none if it is locked but i will drop their reasonings so it can be checked
We actually have a set up rule to avoid using Gacha weapons due to how most of the time they do not appear in story (with exception to Grand weapons during their FLB and some Weapon)
that Weapon alone is very standalone and it has no supporting context or weapon lore about it unlike other weapons. so I'm very against using it even as supporting evidence for things.
I see then that 5-D stuff will be limited to those who can reach it which is only a handful
then the rest would be 2-B or 2-C depending on their independent feat on the branching timeline manifold in Sky-realm
So far nothing in the cosmology can prove it to be low 1-A at all. There are some hints and implications about "Boundaries and how people can climb/descend/ascend it" but little no context aside from that vague comment so i do not believe it should be low 1-A at all.
But if the weapon itself can also be used as supporting statement for low 1-C then I'll agree with it although i'm really against using that specific weapons for supporting statement
I'll make a follow up comment to list profiles that will be affected. though none if it is locked but i will drop their reasonings so it can be checked
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It wouldn't stop at Aleph-2, it would be a Tier High 1-A/0 indication when taking it at the highest conclusion. Which is exactly what the linked Q&A said about the statement and why we don't use it.
SMT is 1-A due to scaling saying that no matter how many layers you add onto the 1-C cosmology you can't reach the upper tiers.
The transcending dimensions thing is not an important aspect for their 1-A ratings, the only downgrade I can see for the verse is moving them to Low 1-A since that would only be an uncountably infinity rather than Aleph-2.
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Ok, but do you think with the evidence in the OP and the scan I sent, Low 1-C is fine?
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I've already agreed that the Astral Rralm stuff was Low 1-C
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So the Low 1-C is accepted?
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2-B is fine but I’m not seeing where Low 1-C comes in. All the statements referring to higher-dimensionality can just be 4D. The portion I quoted especially poses an issue for Low 1-C because the Astral Realm cannot be dimensionally superior to the Sky Realm while at the same time being described to be based off of it to imply they are the same size.
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how is being based on something make you unable to become dimensionally superior? They are clearly a lot of superiority of Astral realm compared to Sky-realm despite being based on it. And there are clear showings of that. Astral Realm isn't just a copy. It is built in the Astral God's image of perfection of Sky-realm because Sky-realm is an immature world for him. and Sky-realm even undergone destruction and rebirth multiple times just to evolve
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That’s even worse. What those scans are showing is that the Astral Realm and the Sky Realm are counterparts of one another. Nothing that would imply it being dimensionally superior.
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I don't really see your point. on why that stop it from being dimensionally superior?
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tldr because it has a bigger size
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Isn't 2-A bigger than 2-B in similar way?
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From what I understand, the difference between a structure and its infinitesimal portion is uncountable infinite, since the infinitesimal number is the smallest possible number (that is not 0) compared to any other Real number. And the set of the Real numbers is uncountable.
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already explain that it isn't how things work them being a part of the same structure doesn't somehow negate the superiority the astral Realm has over the sky realm
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It says in the scan itself that the reason the Sky Realm undergoes destruction and rebirth unlike the Astral Realm is because it is ruled by the half of God that can only destroy and regenerate. The Astral Realm is ruled by the other half which can only create.
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that doesn't say anything about the realm itself just the people who are resident in it
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It certainly doesn’t say anything about the Astral Realm being higher-dimensional relative to the Sky Realm, which is the problem here.
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The context of that is too vague to use as proof for 5D. The Sky Realm and Astral Realm are separated so “descending” can simply be referencing her arrival from another realm that’s disconnected.
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doubt it since again characters who live in the astral world can see the entire history of the sky world so it has nothing to do with being disconnected from the realms
and the rating suggested is possibly which is reasonable
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Seeing the entire history of a world is something 4D characters can do, or it’s just cosmic awareness.
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it's the nature of the place itself since again the a 4-D place and it's entire history can be seen as ripples in the river
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While that could be used as supporting evidence for 5D in certain cases, that again is something even having a 4D perspective would allow and with the other scans pointing towards Astral Realm being the counterpart of a 4D place, the Sky Realm, it’s insufficient.
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again how would simply having 4D perspective gonna allow you to view an entire 4-D structure as ripples in a river that doesn't really make sense
"the place is able to view an entire 4-D structure ripples in a river but it isn't larger fo some reason" and the counterpart scan doesn't matter because it refers to how the 2 realms work in opposite ways where one is mainly for destruction and the other is for creation
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1) Having cosmic awareness on a 4D scale can allow you to see the multiverse in its entirety.
2) Just as 3D objects can be much larger than other 3D objects, even up to infinitely larger, so can 4D.
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The Realm being 5-D was based on the assumption that it contained the copy of the Sky Realm within it. A 2-A structure can't really contain two other 2-A structures without going into Low 1-C.
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That assumption being what I was contesting. The multiverse is also 2-B in this case, not 2-A.
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i mean it can without being Low 1C. It would just be a bigger multiverse.
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Is this really the case?
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1-again this is not a character idk why you keep repeating that since the example shows clear superiority
2-not when there's indication that there's R>F since not only do they see it as a ripples they also call the skudwllers infinitesimal and the astral realm being overall unaffected by dudes who rewrote all of space and time and change timelines
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If it's 2-B then I guess a 2-A space could contain it.
An Aelph-1 Multiverse would still be Low 1-C though.
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