Graham's CRT

[Dereck03]

So here we are for a controversial revision this time.

I want to propose layers for Graham's NEP. I have seen many people ask about the same thing given the context of Graham's physiology so now I will give you what they asked for.

We will start by mentioning that Graham's source (concept) is non-existence, we know that the more Graham is destroyed, the more he will be reduced to nothingness but thanks to the fact that each time he is reduced he gains more power and gets closer to his true nothingness which even lacks reason/logic.

Also when Graham was absorbed into Anos' source, Anos said that Graham's nihility would need to be destroyed billions of times to be completely destroyed, but that at his source it would only need a single contact.

Then we have feats like Venuzdonoa destroying Graham's nothingness/nihility, reducing him more to nothingness and this even reforming himself from the nothingness that still remained even after the reason was destroyed, therefore it is mentioned that Venuzdonoa cannot continue destroying Graham's the reason of his nothingness for eternity and when it is withdrawn Graham will take form again without limitations.

Once inside his source, Graham shouldn't be able to regenerate his source back, as it is a complete hell where he would keep getting destroyed. But here is the catch: if Anos destroyed Graham's true form, why would Graham keep getting destroyed inside his source? The answer that the presented context gives us is that there may be layers of nothingness.

So for simple explanation we will have that.

When Graham is destroyed, he gets closer and closer to his original nothingness, he can regenerate from the nothingness that remains because he has not reached his true state yet, that is why he has to be destroyed billions of times until eternity for him to reach this state and when he is destroyed in that state he cannot regenerate because there is nothing left from which he can regenerate.

By being destroyed continuously returning each time to nothingness and getting closer to his original nothingness it is intuited and shown in the series that his nothingness is lacking reason and becomes more nothingness, since there will always be a deeper nothingness from which he can regenerate that has not been previously destroyed, meaning that each level of interaction and base destruction would not be able to destroy beforehand all the nothingness that remains after the destruction at once, but destroy them individually when these are exposed, thus until eternity.

To give an easy example.

Venuzdonoa can continue to destroy that nothingness and make it even more nothing but not forever due to the time limit.

Anos' source can destroy Graham's nothingness continuously, that nothingness will be set as base nothingness, when it is destroyed there will remain another nothingness that was not destroyed as that nothingness is even deeper as it will gradually approach the original nothingness, which Anos' source will adapt its destruction to be able to destroy that further state of nothingness, and so on until eternity.

And this is not speculation, since it is said that after the destruction of nothingness, there would always remain nothingness which would take the form of Graham if it were not destroyed.

And for a complex explanation we have that.

Graham's nihility/nothingness functions as a complex, multi-layered structure rather than a singular void, as evidenced by its persistence across billions of times of annihilations. While Anos's Source Annihilation, capable of erasing existence entirely, could obliterate a single, uniform void in one act, Graham's nihility resists destruction due to its "stack" of absence, where removing one layer merely reveals another beneath it.

This indicates that each layer of his non-existence operates independently, defying conventional logic, as true singular non-existence would not have layers or further states to dismantle. Thus, the layered nature of Graham’s nihility allows it to survive even annihilation at the source level.

But there is another catch: this "billions of destructions" statement comes from Anos when he initially absorbed Graham's source. In truth, Graham claimed that his non-existent state would exist for eternity, and that Anos and he would fight for dominance, destroying one another. Later on, Anos says, that Graham will face endless destruction inside his source, and in fact, his source is still being erased by Anos's source even at that point.

So my proposal would be At least Countless layers of NEP for Graham, however, if preferred, perhaps infinity can be plausible given the statement of eternity and endless destruction, which means infinity, eternal or interminable amounts of destructions so At least Countless, likely infinity layers of NEP 2.

Choose the one you think it fits the most, personally I'm for the later. And this may also apply to Anos because he has Graham's nothingness in his source.

That's all.

Edit. New suggestions in the thread suggest adding Ad-Infinitum layers instead of the above mentioned proposal.

Argument here.

Agree.

At least Countless (0,1) Dog3352.
At least Countless, likely Infinity (1,1) GarrixianXD, Bernkastelll.
Infinity layers (0,1) NousGalia.
Ad-Infinitum (0,10) Vietthai96, Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, Tatsumi504, Grabbing_dragon, Saucy_Jackistan24, EldemadeDityjon, StorytellingDemonKing, BreezeHM, DemonKing021, Godsatoshi23.

Disagree.

Neutral.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I agree with the thread, as we have already discussed.

Regarding the proposals, I propose a solid rating for countless layers and a "likely" or "possible" rating for infinite layers if everyone is okay with that, as the claim can neither be proven nor disproven. However, considering Venuzdonoa, which can destroy anything infinite no matter what, I am leaning towards that statement being literal.

 

[Saucy_Jackistan24]

The wank is unreal with this one, Agree

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I agree with infinite layers.Though I won't mind countless with likely infinite rating either.

 

[DemonKing021]

Yeah, agree with the thread. Infinite layered nothingness seems more likely than countless layered considering Anos said Graham's nothingness can live forever in his source.

 

[ROZAN-U]

I would agree with |Endless,Likely infinite| rating but neutral for now , cause the upgrade is controversial
Lets see the counter arguments first

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

least Countless, likely infinity layers of NEP 2.

I approve of this.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

I think infinite layers would work fine given the context, but I don't mind countless, likely infinite layers as well.

 

[Vietthai96]

What with so many CRTs? Lol, let people sleep- i mean rest

Anyway, i disagree with Infinite layer for Graham source, from what i gather from scans, as his source each time get destroyed he get closer to nothingness, this mean each time he get destroyed, his NEP (layer) increases (by 1), this process go on for eternity rather than instantly go to infinite deep (layers) NEP, this process isn't true infinite, but rather ad-infinitum, similar to how infinite expanding space isn't High 3-A, or create infinite amount of universe, but the process is 1 universe at a time, and the tome it take is infinite isn't 2-A. The process will go on forever, but never truly reach infinite

However, his true nothingess state, which he mentioned in the scan, is infinite layers, in case you want to index, list this state of course, but his "source" isn't

Also, another thing is it should be noted that his source isn't initially started at ad-infinitum layers, it is made clear that he went deeper to nothingness each time he is destroyed. That mean at the start he start at baseline, and his layer increases one by one each time he is destroyed, up to ad-infinitum layers, this should be noted on his profile to avoid misleading information

This is my thoughts on the matter

 

[Dereck03]

What with so many CRTs? Lol, let people sleep- i mean rest

Anyway, i disagree with Infinite layer for Graham source, from what i gather from scans, as his source each time get destroyed he get closer to nothingness, this mean each time he get destroyed, his NEP (layer) increases (by 1), this process go on for eternity rather than instantly go to infinite deep (layers) NEP, this process isn't true infinite, but rather ad-infinitum, similar to how infinite expanding space isn't High 3-A, or create infinite amount of universe, but the process is 1 universe at a time, and the tome it take is infinite isn't 2-A. The process will go on forever, but never truly reach infinite

However, his true nothingess state, which he mentioned in the scan, is infinite layers, in case you want to index, list this state of course, but his "source" isn't

Also, another thing is it should be noted that his source isn't initially started at ad-infinitum layers, it is made clear that he went deeper to nothingness each time he is destroyed. That mean at the start he start at baseline, and his layer increases one by one each time he is destroyed, up to ad-infinitum layers, this should be noted on his profile to avoid misleading information

This is my thoughts on the matter

Oh yeah, the true nothingnes is what I'm talking about, source of nothingness is just 1 time destruction, but the nothingness that remains after that is the one that's getting the layers.

Edit. Also yeah, I can use the up to Ad-Infinitum or Infinite layers.

 

[Vietthai96]

Oh yeah, the true nothingnes is what I'm talking about, source of nothingness is just 1 time destruction, but the nothingness that remains after that is the one that's getting the layers.

Edit. Also yeah, I can use the up to Ad-Infinitum or Infinite layers.

But isn't the nothingness after his source destruction is still not really the true nothingness?, and he need to be destroyed continuously until he reach that true nothingness state as his nothingness getting deeper and deeper after each destruction?, that what i'm talking about

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What with so many CRTs? Lol, let people sleep- i mean rest

Anyway, i disagree with Infinite layer for Graham source, from what i gather from scans, as his source each time get destroyed he get closer to nothingness, this mean each time he get destroyed, his NEP (layer) increases (by 1), this process go on for eternity rather than instantly go to infinite deep (layers) NEP, this process isn't true infinite, but rather ad-infinitum, similar to how infinite expanding space isn't High 3-A, or create infinite amount of universe, but the process is 1 universe at a time, and the tome it take is infinite isn't 2-A. The process will go on forever, but never truly reach infinite

However, his true nothingess state, which he mentioned in the scan, is infinite layers, in case you want to index, list this state of course, but his "source" isn't

Also, another thing is it should be noted that his source isn't initially started at ad-infinitum layers, it is made clear that he went deeper to nothingness each time he is destroyed. That mean at the start he start at baseline, and his layer increases one by one each time he is destroyed, up to ad-infinitum layers, this should be noted on his profile to avoid misleading information

This is my thoughts on the matter

Yeah, but what you're saying applies to True Form of Graham. Shouldn't Anos get baseline countless layers?

I mean, Graham's Nothingness (not referring to his base Nothingness, but the one that already gets destroyed and sent into the deep abyss of his Source) has already been destroyed an unknown number of times. So, the current emptiness that exists within Anos Source should have that many levels.

 

[Dereck03]

But isn't the nothingness after his source destruction is still not really the true nothingness?, and he need to be destroyed continuously until he reach that true nothingness state as his nothingness getting deeper and deeper after each destruction?, that what i'm talking about

Well, the true nothingness is the one that it's reached after the destruction of the source of nothingness, that nothingness can still be destroyed and further reduced to nothingness till the eternity until there is no more nothing left to regenerate from. Graham refers to it as his true nothingness or original nothingness that's unbound of reason.

So we are giving it to the nothingness that is unbound of logic/reason and not to the source of nothingness.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, but what you're saying applies to True Form of Graham. Shouldn't Anos get baseline countless layers?

I mean, Graham's Nothingness (not referring to his base Nothingness, but the one that already gets destroyed and sent into the deep abyss of his Source) has already been destroyed an unknown number of times. So, the current emptiness that exists within Anos Source should have that many levels.

Well, True nothingness is infinite layers is fine to me, i thought OP want to apply it to his initial nothingness after the destruction of his source

About the emptiness currently in Anos source, no i don't think it scale to the true nothingness level, it is made clear that Anos source still destroying Graham. Or am i missing something?

 

[Dereck03]

About the emptiness currently in Anos source, no i don't think it scale to the true nothingness level, it is made clear that Anos source still destroying Graham. Or am i missing something?

He's still destroying his nothingness inside his source, yes, though the case will still applying because after the destruction of the source of nothingness, only the true nothingness remains, so Anos is currently holding that nothingness inside and somewhat merged within his source.

 

[Vietthai96]

He's still destroying his nothingness inside his source, yes, though the case will still applying because after the destruction of the source of nothingness, only the true nothingness remains, so Anos is currently holding that nothingness inside and somewhat merged within his source.

Ah, so you mean the emptiness that Anos used to defense himself in some cases?, well, that fine to me

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I wouldn't say it's actually infinite. Ad Infinitum layers makes more sense. And, for all intents and purposes, it's something that's already been happening, so it should just be directly ad infinitum on the profile at the start, instead of listing it as something that can be reached later, at least for Anos' source.

 

[Dereck03]

I have edited the OP adding the Ad-Infinitum proposal instead giving the discussion.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Agree with Vietthai and Oblivion's take on it.

 

[Dog3352]

I agree with countless layers, neutral otherwise.

 

[NousGalia]

I agree with infinite layers

 

[GarrixianXD]

OP is fine.

 

[Dereck03]

Before updating the OP's tally I would like to ping those who commented before the Ad-Infinitum suggestion which seems to make sense to me.

@EldemadeDityjon @Saucy_Jackistan24 @Godsatoshi23 @StorytellingDemonKing @ROZAN-U @DemonKing021 @Grabbing_dragon

Sorry for the ping, but do what do you guys think of the new proposal about Ad-Infinitum layers. Do you think it's okay or do you want to keep your first suggestion?

Arguments here.

 

[GarrixianXD]

So my proposal would be At least Countless layers of NEP for Graham, however, if preferred, perhaps infinity can be plausible given the statement of eternity and endless destruction, which means infinity, eternal or interminable amounts of destructions so At least Countless, likely infinity layers of NEP 2.

Just to specify, I'm completely fine with every option when I stated the OP is fine. I am fine with infinite layers as well; considering the layers are quantitised with respect to time, I think the quantity of layers should be uncountably infinite than countably infinite, though I'll go with the OP's proposal. I'd prefer At last Countless, likely Infinite layers of NEP 2.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I agree with "at least countless, likely infinite"

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

What with so many CRTs? Lol, let people sleep- i mean rest

Anyway, i disagree with Infinite layer for Graham source, from what i gather from scans, as his source each time get destroyed he get closer to nothingness, this mean each time he get destroyed, his NEP (layer) increases (by 1), this process go on for eternity rather than instantly go to infinite deep (layers) NEP, this process isn't true infinite, but rather ad-infinitum, similar to how infinite expanding space isn't High 3-A, or create infinite amount of universe, but the process is 1 universe at a time, and the tome it take is infinite isn't 2-A. The process will go on forever, but never truly reach infinite

However, his true nothingess state, which he mentioned in the scan, is infinite layers, in case you want to index, list this state of course, but his "source" isn't

Also, another thing is it should be noted that his source isn't initially started at ad-infinitum layers, it is made clear that he went deeper to nothingness each time he is destroyed. That mean at the start he start at baseline, and his layer increases one by one each time he is destroyed, up to ad-infinitum layers, this should be noted on his profile to avoid misleading information

This is my thoughts on the matter

Agree with this, thought of it but forgot the infinitum stuff since I rarely use it.

 

[Saucy_Jackistan24]

Before updating the OP's tally I would like to ping those who commented before the Ad-Infinitum suggestion which seems to make sense to me.

@EldemadeDityjon @Saucy_Jackistan24 @Godsatoshi23 @StorytellingDemonKing @ROZAN-U @DemonKing021 @Grabbing_dragon

Sorry for the ping, but do what do you guys think of the new proposal about Ad-Infinitum layers. Do you think it's okay or do you want to keep your first suggestion?

Arguments here.

I think the ad-infinitum layers stuff looks great and presents Graham’s case rather well, it makes the most sense to me.

I agree with; “ad-infinitum layers to possibly infinite layers”.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Before updating the OP's tally I would like to ping those who commented before the Ad-Infinitum suggestion which seems to make sense to me.

@EldemadeDityjon @Saucy_Jackistan24 @Godsatoshi23 @StorytellingDemonKing @ROZAN-U @DemonKing021 @Grabbing_dragon

Sorry for the ping, but do what do you guys think of the new proposal about Ad-Infinitum layers. Do you think it's okay or do you want to keep your first suggestion?

Arguments here.

Ad-Infinitum makes more sense overall I guess.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Before updating the OP's tally I would like to ping those who commented before the Ad-Infinitum suggestion which seems to make sense to me.

@EldemadeDityjon @Saucy_Jackistan24 @Godsatoshi23 @StorytellingDemonKing @ROZAN-U @DemonKing021 @Grabbing_dragon

Sorry for the ping, but do what do you guys think of the new proposal about Ad-Infinitum layers. Do you think it's okay or do you want to keep your first suggestion?

Arguments here.

I think ad-infinitum layers are fine.

 

[BreezeHM]

Ad-Infinitum for his source, while Infinite for his true nothingness state looks fine to me.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ad-Infinitum for his source, while Infinite for his true nothingness state looks fine to me.

No, his source of nothingness has no layers

 

[wwereymy235]

No, his source of nothingness has no layers

But you know what does have layers? Onions.

 

[BreezeHM]

No, his source of nothingness has no layers

Isn't that What Vietwank said or did I mix up the nothingness (seriously need better referrals)

 

[Dereck03]

Isn't that What Vietwank said or did I mix up the nothingness (seriously need better referrals)

Nope, what viet says is that the nothingness that remains after the destruction of the source of nothingness is the one that would get the layers, as I said here.

Oh yeah, the true nothingnes is what I'm talking about, source of nothingness is just 1 time destruction, but the nothingness that remains after that is the one that's getting the layers.

 

[BreezeHM]

Nope, what viet says is that the nothingness that remains after the destruction of the source of nothingness is the one that would get the layers, as I said here.

Stop wanking. Then yeah the proposal is fine

 

[Dereck03]

Stop wanking.

Sorry but I shall never.

So which rating do you agree with?

 

[BreezeHM]

Sorry but I shall never.

So which rating do you agree with?

Ad-infinitum

 

[DemonKing021]

I am fine with Ad-infinitum as well.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Ad-infinitum looks fine