(grace) Naughty Bear vs OG Spider-Man

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

"Managed to resist and fight back against Psycho-Man's emotional control, which caused self-doubt, fear, and self-hatE"
Wanna know to what degree? Well I couldn't tell you. It doesn't say. All it does it make you feel that. Not that it makes you do things like Wanna Kill yourself.

You wont post the full context, will you?

He affected all students in the Avengers Academy so Spidey resistance is still miles better

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Spider Man FRA btw

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Eh, I'll drop the argument, but still voting naughty bear

 

[Jackythejack]

7 to 5? Depends on the fear hax argument still being viable which I personally don't think so but we only need one more vote for spidey grace

 

[ExSENNA]

Voting Spider-Man via resisting his hax and webbing him.

 

[Jackythejack]

Grace

 

[Buttersamuri]

If it past 24 hours, do hold up on adding it until we at least get a conclusive answer from that thread whether the fear hacks work or not. Because if they do, then that nullifies their reasoning

 

[Schnee_One]

You wont post the full context, will you?

He affected all students in the Avengers Academy so Spidey resistance is still miles better

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

But he didn't drive them to suicide or drive them insane like Naughty

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Doesnt matter. What qualifies as potency for mindhax is the number of targets affected

Resisting mindhax that affected a whole Academy is still better and superior regardless

 

[Schnee_One]

But he didn't drive them to suicide or drive them insane like Naughty

This is an application, not a feat of potency

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

He affected them stronger than what Phsyco Man did

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Doesnt matter. What qualifies as potency for mindhax is the number of targets affected
Resisting mindhax that affected a whole Academy is still better and superior regardless.

 

[Jackythejack]

He affected them stronger than what Phsyco Man did

That's an application, not potency. It's an effect, but that doesn't equal potency.

 

[Buttersamuri]

But spiderman can't resist that effect. at best. We can say he resists fear. Not the feeling and attempting if Suicide

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Well. Without fear hax spider-man should take this after a good fight due to AP and Lifting Strength. and Spider-Sense

Spidey FRA then

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

But spiderman can't resist that effect. at best. We can say he resists fear. Not the feeling and attempting if Suicide

He can because its still trying to mess with his mind, which he resists

 

[Schnee_One]

But spiderman can't resist that effect. at best. We can say he resists fear. Not the feeling and attempting if Suicide

Why.

Both of them are literally aspects of empathetic manipulation, why is making someone feel differently a feat

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Fear hax is a subset of empathix hax

 

[Schnee_One]

Forcing negative emotions such as suicide is as well

 

[Buttersamuri]

Why.

Both of them are literally aspects of empathetic manipulation, why is making someone feel differently a feat

Cause he hasn't resisted that specific degree and level of fear. It makes him wanna kill himself. Someone who can survive a blow torch agaisnt they skin and be fine won't be fine if you toss them in the sun. Different levels of resistance

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Degree

His resistance covers that since he resisted a better mindhax anyway

 

[Buttersamuri]

>Degree

His resistance covers that since he resisted a better mindhax anyway

Like?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>Degree

His resistance covers that since he resisted a better mindhax anyway

Like?

Because he resisted a mindhax that affected a whole Academy and its students

What matters is the number of targets affected, not how the application is in this case

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Pretty sure that potency of elemental manip and mind manip is different in which elemental hax is physical properties like heat and mind hax is either dimensional effect or people it affected

 

[Buttersamuri]

And naughty can send giant groups of robots running with one boo. Naughtys fear can effect massive crowds if need be.

And that doesn't really mean he suddenly resists fear hacks, Fear vs mind control

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And naughty can send giant groups of robots running with one boo. Naughtys fear can effect massive crowds if need be.
And that doesn't really mean he suddenly resists fear hacks

Scans of those crowds affected?

 

[Schnee_One]

Lemme get this argument straight

Spiderman nopes fear manipulation that managed to affect way more people then Naughty (And I think stronger people were any of the avengers affecte?)

Naughty makes a person feel like commiting suicide, bypasses this resistance despite affecting emotions same way as fear manipulation

Am I getting this right?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

@Butter

Also, you do know that you automatically resist fearhax if you resist mindhax, right?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Pretty sure a standard academy is a few thousand

 

[Buttersamuri]

How is it stronger? What degree is the fear of? How scared are they?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

How is it stronger? What degree is the fear of? How scared are they?

The degree of fear and how scared they are doesnt matter in this case. What matters is that Spidey resisted a mindhax that affected the whole Avenger Academy which is superior

Mindhax potency (on this site at least) is judged by how many numbers you can affect and/or if its Higher D

 

[Schnee_One]

They're scared to the point of passing out

 

[Buttersamuri]

Ok. That gives more context in his resistance. The only one we had was it just put fear into their heads. Not to what degree

 

[Buttersamuri]

If it's to that degree. Then I'll back Down. Naughtys fear has caused people to passed out before iirc, but he doesn't do that a lot. And it seems spiderman could resist that.

 

[The_Impress]

I know this match is over, but I gotta say: half the arguments for Naughty Bear are completely out of ignorance, and if you y'know, tried to read the damn page, half of these so called doubts will be answered on their own.

This is just poor show...

 

[Buttersamuri]

I know this match is over, but I gotta say: half the arguments for Naughty Bear are completely out of ignorance, and if you y'know, tried to read the damn page, half of these so called doubts will be answered on their own.

This is just poor show...

The page didn't give context to what degree his resistance was. Only that he had some. The pics that even shown him fighting back aren't even uploaded. Those links are broken. And the context given above (it making people do scared they faint) wasn't noted in the resistance. We had no way of knowing that

 

[The_Impress]

Butters, first off, I think it's ironic that you are asking for context given you give characters broken abilities out of headcanon.

And FYI, 20 seconds of research is all it takes to know what a Psyho Warper is and how potent their mindhax are. Oblivion didn't do some massive research here, this trend of straight up ignoring abilities for the sake of constructing arguments is never encouraged, and is very obvious downplay

Also explain why were you so confident in said Resistance being weak enough to base an FRA argument off of.