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(grace) Naughty Bear vs OG Spider-Man
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Because. Again. They Literally Can Not Feel Fear. At all. 0 sense of fear. 0 sense of emotions. Nothing spiderman has faced has had a fear so potent it can effect one with no emotionsExSENNA said:
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Why? Because you say so? It's just an assumption. Why emphathaxing those who don't have emotions is better than those who do and resist it? why is resistance via lack of the thing better than resistance via actual resistance
Has Naughty used his hax on someone who has a mind and feel emotions + resist the ability, I'm not talking about some mindless robot.
Has Naughty used his hax on someone who has a mind and feel emotions + resist the ability, I'm not talking about some mindless robot.
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Here is wokistan's input on this:
"My take on it is that it obviously bypasses the resistance of being an inanimate object, but doesn't really mean much against other types of resistance that aren't just vague "trained to resist mental stuff".
Basically, while I'd say it's indicative of a stronger ability, I wouldn't extrapolate this to other resistances since you can't really quantify."
So in other words, Naughty should be able to fear hax spider-man.
"My take on it is that it obviously bypasses the resistance of being an inanimate object, but doesn't really mean much against other types of resistance that aren't just vague "trained to resist mental stuff".
Basically, while I'd say it's indicative of a stronger ability, I wouldn't extrapolate this to other resistances since you can't really quantify."
So in other words, Naughty should be able to fear hax spider-man.
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I never thought a argument between Naughty Bear and Spider-Man would be like this
I am one second away from putting Naughty against The Beheaded
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I called Newndigo, will call a few other marvel supporters (I like Marvel, but I'm not really too knowledgeable on it anymore)
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Wokistan's quote doesn't even seem like it has that type of meaning to me. Even if it did, why? Because he said so?
Again, using hax on someone who lack the thing isn't same as using hax on someone who doesn't lack, but resist it. Seemingly Naughty has no feats of using his hax on those who actually resist it aside from things who don't have it in the first place. Affecting those doesn't make his hax stronger, it just makes it affect more things.
Anyway I'll go sleep now. My vote remains with spiderman because I don't believe Naughty can bypass his actual resistances.
Again, using hax on someone who lack the thing isn't same as using hax on someone who doesn't lack, but resist it. Seemingly Naughty has no feats of using his hax on those who actually resist it aside from things who don't have it in the first place. Affecting those doesn't make his hax stronger, it just makes it affect more things.
Anyway I'll go sleep now. My vote remains with spiderman because I don't believe Naughty can bypass his actual resistances.
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Originally reasons
immensely superior Inttelect. Incorrect. Naughty is definitely within the level
Range. incorrect. Naughty has range. And fear hacks are within each other's range
Versatility. Incorrect technically. Naughtys arsenal is much larger. But also, a good chunk are gonna have trouble with that sense. So I'll leave that as a technicality of yes and no
Webbing Lifting Strength, AP Durability. Are correct.
immensely superior Inttelect. Incorrect. Naughty is definitely within the level
Range. incorrect. Naughty has range. And fear hacks are within each other's range
Versatility. Incorrect technically. Naughtys arsenal is much larger. But also, a good chunk are gonna have trouble with that sense. So I'll leave that as a technicality of yes and no
Webbing Lifting Strength, AP Durability. Are correct.
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Naughty fear haxes GG. Fight doesn't change
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Resistances says noI'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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We just had the discussion and it isn't finishedOblivion Of The Endless said:
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Resistances says no
Resistance gets overpowered by a vastly more powerful level of fear hacks
Should also note, naughty sayings boo can also leave a daze
Resistance gets overpowered by a vastly more powerful level of fear hacks
Should also note, naughty sayings boo can also leave a daze
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Resistance gets overpowered by a vastly more powerful level of fear hacksButtersamuri said:
Should also note, naughty sayings boo can also leave a daze
What is the potency exactly? Mindhaxing inanimate stuff is not a potency feat, this is literally being debunked rn in the Question and Answer board
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What is the potency exactly? Mindhaxing inanimate stuff is not a potency feat, this is literally being debunked rn in the Question and Answer boardOblivion Of The Endless said:
Um no. Wokistan confirmed what me and butters were saying
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Um no. Wokistan confirmed what me and butters were sayingI'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
Appeal to authority fallacy
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Appeal to authority fallacyOblivion Of The Endless said:
You said how it was being debunked but it wasn't
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Making something that is designed to not feel emotions to become so scare it commits suicide.
Making bears go suicidal simply by being there
Scaring people so much they want to kill themselves
Scared people wielding weapons when he is unarmed into running away
Where Spider-Man's resistance is only that he felt those fears. It doesn't have a specific degree of making them feel suicidal or making armed people run away from combat despite their weapon and even if naughty lacks a weapon
Making bears go suicidal simply by being there
Scaring people so much they want to kill themselves
Scared people wielding weapons when he is unarmed into running away
Where Spider-Man's resistance is only that he felt those fears. It doesn't have a specific degree of making them feel suicidal or making armed people run away from combat despite their weapon and even if naughty lacks a weapon
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You said how it was being debunked but it wasn'tI'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3918105
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"My take on it is that it obviously bypasses the resistance of being an inanimate object, but doesn't really mean much against other types of resistance that aren't just vague "trained to resist mental stuff".
You mean this?
Vague is there for a reason. Spider-Man's mindhax feat aren't vague at all, it's very straightforwards.
You mean this?
Vague is there for a reason. Spider-Man's mindhax feat aren't vague at all, it's very straightforwards.
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Still isn't better than naughty's fear haxEdwardtruong2006 said:
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Because?I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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To quote butter:
"It's a Empathy hack that was so potent, it drives even robots designed to be emotionless to suicide. Drives others to suicide by the guy simply Being there, and blaming armed people run like cowards even when armed and their opponent isn't armed.
They resister here only resisted fear being put in his mind. But it has never shown to be a very high degree
Not even a mind hack. An empathy hack"
Yep, better than spider-man
"It's a Empathy hack that was so potent, it drives even robots designed to be emotionless to suicide. Drives others to suicide by the guy simply Being there, and blaming armed people run like cowards even when armed and their opponent isn't armed.
They resister here only resisted fear being put in his mind. But it has never shown to be a very high degree
Not even a mind hack. An empathy hack"
Yep, better than spider-man
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Empathic Hax is a subset of Mindhax, which Spidey resists really well
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No it isn't
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Its literally in the Empathic Manip pageI'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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Resists really well. All he had was fear put in his mind. It doesn't even state the potency of the fear.Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Does that mean people who resisted Shreks roar can resists naughtys? No. Cause Naughtys is degree higher
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No it doesn't. It says that it isn't always empathic manipOblivion Of The Endless said:
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Moritzva said:
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The ability to allow to influence feelings and emotions. Usually associated with mental manipulation, but can sometimes be carried out in other ways (e.g., direct biochemical effects). Controlling emotions can be divided into manipulating positive and negative emotions. Also possible to use the absorption of emotions and their conversion into energy, as well as predicting the enemy's actions by comprehending his emotions.I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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It even says it on the page:
"The ability to allow to influence feelings and emotions. Usually associated with mental manipulation, but can sometimes be carried out in other ways"
"The ability to allow to influence feelings and emotions. Usually associated with mental manipulation, but can sometimes be carried out in other ways"
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Other ways if it isnt about mindhax, which is not Naughty's caseI'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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I'll wait for buttersOblivion Of The Endless said:
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"Managed to resist and fight back against Psycho-Man's emotional control, which caused self-doubt, fear, and self-hatE"
Wanna know to what degree? Well I couldn't tell you. It doesn't say. All it does it make you feel that. Not that it makes you do things like Wanna Kill yourself.
Wanna know to what degree? Well I couldn't tell you. It doesn't say. All it does it make you feel that. Not that it makes you do things like Wanna Kill yourself.
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Big OOF!!!!!
He definately isn't resisting Naughty Bear's
He definately isn't resisting Naughty Bear's
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So yea. It literally doesn't even state to what degree. So blindly assuming it resist someone who can drive you to suicide by being there, or drive emotionless robots to become so scared they kill themself is a serious NLF
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