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Grace Momoshiki (0-7) Kaguya-chan vs Momoshiki-sama (Thanks.)

Stopping pressure points isn't achieved by inserting chakra into an opponents body at all. It's achieved by hitting them. Which can be done with Senbon like Haku, Kaguya, and Non Canon Sasuke, or Gentle Fist as Hyuga's do it. I'm not saying she didn't hit the pressure points. I'm saying she doesn't know Gentle Fist because of it and gentle fist is not needed to hit them with Senbon. Not all Byakugan users are Gentle Fist users.

And also Gentle Fist inserts Chakra into the body to damage the organs. Not just hitting pressure points. That said Expert Gentle Fist Practitioner should be removed from her profile
 
The chakra points are not the same as regular pressure points as nothing is able to hit them, besides the chakra blasts that Hyuga unleash via the gentle fist.

Haku has never hit the chakra points with his senbon needles at all, which is the major part of your argument. All senbon needles do is simply do regular attack damage, they can't hit the chakra points in any way. Haku unleashing lethal attacks on both Sasuke and Naruto with his needles, yet the both of them still being able to use chakra and their jutsu, alone proves he was never hitting their chakra points.

Kaguya's hair senbon was able to seal the chakra points in Sasuke's crow summoning.

No one in the Naruto verse is able to hit chakra points in the chakra network, except for the Gentle Fist. So yes, she has gentle fist.
 
>And also Gentle Fist inserts Chakra into the body to damage the organs. Not just hitting pressure points.

I literally already countered this. Gentle Fist doesnt specifically hit an opponents organs. It specifically hits their chakra points in the chakra network.

The reason the organs also suffer damage as an added effect is because the chakra network and a ninjas internal organs are very closely aligned, making them virtually one and the same. Hitting the points on the network will also damage the organs, whether the organs are directly attacked or not.
 
The chakra points are not the same as regular pressure points as nothing is able to hit them, besides the chakra blasts that Hyuga unleash via the gentle fist.

Prove this. Because not only is the diagram for them literally just the Meridian System, Kakashi straight up alternatively calls them Pressure Points and the actual name Keirakukei.....is literally just the Meridian System. "Chakra Network" is something Eng Translation only. Same with "Chakra Points". Tenketsu is literally just Pressure Points. Kaguya didn't "shut down his hawks chakra points", she hit the birds pressure points and immobilized it causing it to fall.


Haku has never hit the chakra points with his senbon needles at all, which is the major part of your argument. All senbon needles do is simply do regular attack damage, they can't hit the chakra points in any way. Haku unleashing lethal attacks on both Sasuke and Naruto with his needles, yet the both of them still being able to use chakra and their jutsu, alone proves he was never hitting their chakra points. Haku deliberately avoided killing Naruto and Sasuke. Halu has such knowledge on acupuncture techniques he was able to incapacitate and put Zabuza in a death like state.

I literally already countered this. Gentle Fist doesnt specifically hit an opponents organs. It specifically hits their chakra points in the chakra network.

The reason the organs also suffer damage as an added effect is because the chakra network and a ninjas internal organs are very closely aligned, making them virtually one and the same. Hitting the points on the network will also damage the organs, whether the organs are directly attacked or not. Nice Strawman. I never said it didn't. I said that in no way does being able to hit pressure points with senbon equal Gentle Fist.

Your only argument is that she's able to hit pressure points with a tool made to hit pressure points and that she has Byakugan and terms that are mistranslations courtesy of Viz.

Kaguya cannot have a fighting style that was created far after she was present. There's literally no arguing this.
 
>Prove this. Because not only is the diagram for them literally just the Meridian System, Kakashi straight up alternatively calls them Pressure Points and the actual name Keirakukei.....is literally just the Meridian System. "Chakra Network" is something Eng Translation only. Same with "Chakra Points". Tenketsu is literally just Pressure Points. Kaguya didn't "shut down his hawks chakra points", she hit the birds pressure points and immobilized it causing it to fall.

How about the fact that chakra blasts that drill into the opponents body are literally required to actually hit them? Normal pressure point hitting doesnt need that and neither would the Hyuga if chakra points were that simple to hit. As for Keirakukei, it's also called the Chakra Pathway System (hence chakra network) which carries chakra.

Also, the manga does indeed make use of the term "chakra points", as shown here. Kakashi never calls them pressure points when going off ********* so i'll need a scan of that to make sure your not making this up please. Not to mention, Sasuke literally says his hawks chakra points have also been hit and he even points out "Byakugan!" , pointing to the context more to being gentle fist because she has the Byakugan and can hit the chakra points. Something no one in the verse besides Hyuga can do. This also further acknowledges chakra points being an actual term.

>Haku deliberately avoided killing Naruto and Sasuke.

Up until a point. Haku later on decides to try killing them in the moment Sasuke awakens 1 tomoe Sharingan in the fight. He wasn't avoiding lethal blows the entire time. And "deliberately avoiding" doesnt help you anyway. It actually helps my argument more. Haku didnt want to kill them at the start, so if he could hit the chakra points with his senbon, why not do it as soon as possible? They wouldnt be able to fight afterward, which means Haku wouldnt have to fight them.

There's also the fact that Kakashi himself confirms that even with a sharingan eye, these points would be undetectable, which is why the Hyugas doing it using Byakugan is extradinary amongst ninja. Yes Haku has acupuncture knowledge but if that's all that was needed to be able to detect/perceive the Tenketsu, why would the Byakugan be needed? The fact that a far more perceptive kekkei genkei is required to be able to detect them debunks normal acupuncture knowledge being enough.

Not to mention, if chakra point hitting was actually done as early as the Land of Waves arc, Naruto wouldnt have made such a big deal out of it when fighting Neji. He can take being hit by supposed chakra point hitting needles and continue fighting, yet was barely able to stand against a 64 palms technique later on? And was cautious about it the entire time pre-kyubi amp?

>Your only argument is that she's able to hit pressure points with a tool made to hit pressure points

Easy. Senbon isnt and was never made to hit chakra points. They're regular weapons.

>Kaguya cannot have a fighting style that was created far after she was present. There's literally no arguing this.

Or she does since maybe the sole reason that fighting style even exists is because the Hyuga is derived from Kaguya?

And btw, your argument on "tools being made to do x" would also be debunked by Kaguya suddenly being able to do it too before they were actually created. Senbon didnt exist in Kaguyas area so her hair senbon and Haku's senbon shouldnt be the same either.
 
Having the Bakuygan =/= Knowing & Inventing the Gentle Fist. It was a technique created by the descendants. (I.e. Hyuga)
 
Pepper14832 said:
Having the Bakuygan =/= Knowing & Inventing the Gentle Fist. It was a technique created by the descendants. (I.e. Hyuga)
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Yet Kaguya was able to clearly use it when blocking the chakra points on Sasuke's crow as he literally flat out said.
 
....And The Gentle Fist is a form of hand-to-hand combat, once again, created by the Hyuga Clan.

Just because Kaguya attacked the chakra points with needles because she could see them with her Bakyugan doesn't make her attack the Gentle Fist, especially since no FIST or finger was involved.
 
You do realize long-ranged gentle fist is a thing right? Air Palm's entire existence says hello to that.

All this means is 2 things:

1.) That Kaguya has, at the least, long-ranged gentle fist and that it doesnt apply to her physical moves.

Or

2.) She used long-ranged gentle fist because she's able to easily deal with that Sasuke individually. This is the same Kaguya who easily damaged his Susanoo like paper and also has chakra-fist based moves as well.
 
Air Palm literally just blows an opponent back it doesn't specfically attack the chakra points like normal Gentle Fist.

Why do you keep on comparing different jutsu's as if they're the same?

She literally used a hair senbon attack similar to that of Jiraiya's and attacked the chakra points she could see with the Bakyugan.

This is not gentle fist, period.
 
@Xerkser500

https://www.scribd.com/document/29486391/Naruto-Chapter-79 As I've said before. The terms "Chakra Points" and "Chakra Network" are both made up by Viz. The official names for these are the Tenketsu and Keirakukei which translate to Meridian System and Pressure Point respectively. In no way is there a "blast of chakra" needed to hit the pressure points. In fact it just takes a delicate hit, as Neji shows Hinata all over her arm. So that's false as well. You've still have yet to prove that somehow Pressure Points and "Chakra Points" are separate and not the same thing. And in another translation Sasuke simply refers to the Hawks Tenketsu as Vital points.

Haku is easily able to hit Zabuza's pressure points and knock him and does the same to Sasuke eventually. Haku deciding not to at that point and time doesn't help your argument, in fact it supports mine due to the fact he could've ended the fight any time he wished. Your argument is dependant on trying to consider Pressure Points and "Chakra Points" separate when that's a huge reach and you've provided zero evidence besides using already debunked Viz Scans.

>Senbon was never made to hit Chakra Points

Because Chakra Points are nonexistent. Pressure Points on the other hand.....

Or she does since maybe the sole reason that fighting style even exists is because the Hyuga is derived from Kaguya?

That's not how it works. Kaguya doesn't just get things because her Descendants invented it. Gentle Fist is a fighting style supported by the Byakugan not a Byakugan ability. Proof is that Boruto who at the moment has no Byakugan has learnt and been using this fighting style. And yes there is a such thing as long range gentle fist. Too bad Kaguya never used it. Oh and you're okay with saying Kaguya's hair senbon isn't counted as a type of senbon because Normal Senbon was made after her time.....but you're okay with her using a fighting style that she never used or seen that was made after her time? Her hair senbon is exactly the same as Haku's except that it's hair.

And Chakra Fists? Naruto can make chakra fists as well, that means literally jack. Kaguya has no gentle fist knowledge whatsoever.
 
Pepper14832 said:
Air Palm literally just blows an opponent back it doesn't specfically attack the chakra points like normal Gentle Fist.
Why do you keep on comparing different jutsu's as if they're the same?
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This disagrees with you completely. Air Palm is a technique that uses gentle fist and attacks the opponents vitals from a distance. It's the same as rotation but its for specific targets.

It is indeed gentle fist, just long-ranged.

And the major difference between her and Jiraiya is that Kaguya was able to hit the chakra points, Jiraiya cannot. Literally no one in the NV, besides the Hyuga, is able to hit the chakra points. So all of this points to her being able to hit them via gentle fist.
 
Using Naruto wiki eh? Did you actually read that link? It says Air Palm is just a vacuum of forced pressure or air at a target and pushes them back.

When we see targets get hit with this they dont get their chakra points hit, they are hurt, but not in the same way.

Rotation is for defense and isnt primarily an offensive move.

Dude, Gentle fist literally is a hand to hand technique where someone is forcing their chakra into you. No Hygua can do this with their hair.

Kagyua is literally using hair senbon technique, can see the chakra points, and that's it.

Kagyuas hair senbon attack on Sasukes crow is not a gentle fist technique.

Also, if you're gonna use Naruto wiki as a source that "completely disagrees with me" then youd realize the under the Gentle Fist page, Kagyua is not a listed user.

Because she cant use a technique that wasnt invented during her first appearance.

I dont know why this is still up for debate.
 
>https://www.scribd.com/document/29486391/Naruto-Chapter-79 As I've said before. The terms "Chakra Points" and "Chakra Network" are both made up by Viz. The official names for tese are the Tenketsu and Keirakukei.

"or Chakra holes", which are essentially the same thing as chakra points despite not being called the same by literal name. And Keirakukei again stands for "Chakra Pathaway System", which is again the same as saying Chakra Network without the literal title.

>which translate to Meridian System and Pressure Point respectively. In no way is there a "blast of chakra" needed to hit the pressure points.

It most definitely is or else Neji, Hinata and literally no Hyuga ever would need to blast chakra into their opponents Keirakukei to damage the points. The points in-series have never been damaged by normal, physical or conventional means, as in physical strikes but only with using chakra blasts released from the gentle fist user itself. Meaning, chakra is needed to hit them or else they cannot be hit any other way.

>In fact it just takes a delicate hit, as Neji shows Hinata all over her arm.

When using chakra blasts, as Kakashi in both my translation and yours has clearly explained.

Not normal physical blows.

>You've still have yet to prove that somehow Pressure Points and "Chakra Points" are separate and not the same thing.

Because I really don't have to. The mechanics of the technique is proof enough.

Pressure point hitting does not require energy to hit the points in the slightest as its just physical striking. Tenketsu hitting does require energy to hit the Tenketsu points. It's clearly not the same as regular pressure point hitting or else, again, Hyugas would not need chakra blasts to hit the Tenketsu throughout the Keirakukei.

>And in another translation Sasuke simply refers to the Hawks Tenketsu as Vital points.

The link for this doesn't work. So until you have a backup link or scan for this, I can pretty much say your making this up.

>Haku is easily able to hit Zabuza's pressure points and knock him and does the same to Sasuke eventually.

Evidence that Haku hit Zabuza's Tenketsu?

>Haku deciding not to at that point and time doesn't help your argument, in fact it supports mine due to the fact he could've ended the fight any time he wished.

Which, again, only helps my argument instead of yours. Especially because Haku could have ended the fight whenever he wanted.

If he was able to hit the Tenketsu, like your claiming he can, he would have done that from the start instead of going through a fight he never wanted to have in the 1st place. Makes life much more easier and is the smarter decision.

>Your argument is dependant on trying to consider Pressure Points and "Chakra Points" separate when that's a huge reach and you've provided zero evidence besides using already debunked Viz Scans.

Except for a techniques mechanics which clearly doesnt treat them the same. Or else, once again, chakra would be totally irrelevant to gentle fist in general.

And honestly, i'd much rather go with viz scans than any made up translations from some person in their mothers basement. Just because Viz scans are not always right doesnt make them completely unreliable. But thats a different discussion to have.

>Because Chakra Points are nonexistent. Pressure Points on the other hand.....

Which arent the same as Tenketsu for reasons above.

>Proof is that Boruto who at the moment has no Byakugan has learnt and been using this fighting style.

Last time I chekced, Boruto has never remotely used Gentle Fist whatsoever in the anime or manga, so where is this coming from?

>And yes there is a such thing as long range gentle fist. Too bad Kaguya never used it.

Except on Sasuke's crow.

>Oh and you're okay with saying Kaguya's hair senbon isn't counted as a type of senbon because Normal Senbon was made after her time.....but you're okay with her using a fighting style that she never used or seen that was made after her time? Her hair senbon is exactly the same as Haku's except that it's hair.

This part was to show how faulty your logic was in this case. Senbon clearly came after Kaguya was sealed, yet she can use hair Senbon for some reason. Yet for some reason your adversed to not letting her have an ability from a clan that was derived from her.

Btw, on the Naruto Wikia, the Otsutsuki in general are considered being Gentle Fist users as well, only in a much more aggressive manner than the Hyuga. Momoshiki using it against Naruto in Episode 65 of Boruto is evidence of this. So if a clan that obviously came before the Hyuga's creation is referred to knowing this fighting style as well, Kaguya predating it int even a counter against her having it anymore- https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Gentle_Fist

Unless this part is wrong too?
 
>It says Air Palm is just a vacuum of forced pressure or air at a target and pushes them back.

"This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heave, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakuga and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance"

Literally taken right from the page.....

>No Hygua can do this with their hair.

Except Kaguya, who simply can use it to a greater extent.

>Kagyua is literally using hair senbon technique, can see the chakra points, and that's it.

Then that means her senbon specifically has feats of being able to hit the Tenketsu, unlike any other senbon user the verse has to offer. Making it long-ranged Gentle Fist.

>Also, if you're gonna use Naruto wiki as a source that "completely disagrees with me" then youd realize the under the Gentle Fist page, Kagyua is not a listed user.

And if you were to actually read the Gentle Fist page, it also says that the Otsutsuki clan in general are gentle fist users, they simply use it more aggressively than the Hyuga clan use it. Let me quote this for you too so that it isnt left out:

"Due to their possession of the Byakugan, the Ōtsutsuki clan also practices this taijutsu form, though far more aggressive than what the Hyüga clan practices. Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki demonstrated his while fighting Naruto Uzumaki, targeting Naruto's tenketsu and internal organs to try to incapacitate him.[4]"

Momoshiki in his 2nd form used it against Naruto in Boruto episode 65. That should be impossible for him too, yet Momoshiki is acknowledged in having it like the rest of the Otsutsuki. So why is Kaguya having it suddenly an issue?

Unless somethings wrong here, it's clear that she, he and all of the Otsutsuki have the fighting art.
 
.... It has Momoshiki as a listed user (Anime Only) so this is technically not canon. The Manga is.

Even if it is canon, just because Momoshiki did it and Kagyua is from the same clan as he doesn't automatically give her the the ability to perform the same techniques. We have to see her actually perform something like the Gentle Fist technique. Because her hair senbon attack is nothing like the Gentle Fist technique shown by then Hyuga and is so vastly different and more agressive than usual, theres no reason to connect it to the Hyugas version.

She doesnt have it.
 
Pretty sure this site takes the Boruto anime as canon. But with all the canon discussions im seeing for the series's continuity here I...wouldnt be surprised if I was wrong on this point.

And no, thats not how this works. Momoshiki and the entire Otsutsuki clan predates the existence of the Hyuga clan just as Kaguya does, yet somehow Momoshiki has it and the Otsutsuki are acknowledged in having it. If Momoshiki and other Otsutsuki are able to somehow have it, then there's absolutely no reason why Kaguya doesnt suddenly get it.

She isnt a special exception from the rest of her people.
 
or Chakra holes", which are essentially the same thing as chakra points despite not being called the same by literal name. And Keirakukei again stands for "Chakra Pathaway System", which is again the same as saying Chakra Network without the literal title.

No it doesn't. It stands for Meridian System. There's no other thing it stands for. That's the meaning of the word Keirakukei. Chakra Pathway and Chakra Network are mistranslations.

It most definitely is or else Neji, Hinata and literally no Hyuga ever would need to blast chakra into their opponents Keirakukei to damage the points. The points in-series have never been damaged by normal, physical or conventional means, as in physical strikes but only with using chakra blasts released from the gentle fist user itself. Meaning, chakra is needed to hit them or else they cannot be hit any other way.


No it doesn't. The Acupuncture Points only require a delicate press to affect them. Nowhere does it say that. And to boot, they're the size of a needle tip (hence Senbon). Because thats actually what Kakashi says, not what you're saying.


The link for this doesn't work. So until you have a backup link or scan for this, I can pretty much say your making this up.

What an ironic choice of words.


Evidence that Haku hit Zabuza's Tenketsu?

Huh. Haku is a pacificst, but he also wants to make Zabuza happy, IE a conflicting situation for Haku. Haku can very clearly put people in a near death state in a correct hits of the Tenketsu.

Except for a techniques mechanics which clearly doesnt treat them the same. Or else, once again, chakra would be totally irrelevant to gentle fist in general.

And honestly, i'd much rather go with viz scans than any made up translations from some person in their mothers basement. Just because Viz scans are not always right doesnt make them completely unreliable. But thats a different discussion to have.

You mean you'd rather go with Viz because they support your argument. Not because they're right and they've already been proven incorrect. Viz takes liberties in changing things.

Which arent the same as Tenketsu for reasons above.

So no reasons? Got it.

Last time I chekced, Boruto has never remotely used Gentle Fist whatsoever in the anime or manga, so where is this coming from?

Boruto vs Shikadai during the Chunin Exams. Boruto uses gentle fist against him to corner him.


Except on Sasuke's crow.

So Kaguya's Hair Senbon is Gentle Fist now?


This part was to show how faulty your logic was in this case. Senbon clearly came after Kaguya was sealed, yet she can use hair Senbon for some reason. Yet for some reason your adversed to not letting her have an ability from a clan that was derived from her.

"This part was to show how faulty your logic is." ......sure I'll buy it.

Kaguya's hair senbon is natural to her, it's literally her hair. It can't be learned in any way. Gentle Fist was brought up and invented by the Hyugas. Kaguya in no way has shown or had gentle fist and doesn't know anything about the history of Ninja. Nice try on attempting to flip the script tho.


Oh and on Momoshiki. They're wrong. Momoshiki was using a fighting style called Wing Chun, a real life martial arts. They literally only called it "Gentle Fist" because he was attempting to hit Naruto's Tenketsu while using Wing Chun. So no, no Otsutsuki has ever used Gentle Fist.
 
>No it doesn't. It stands for Meridian System. There's no other thing it stands for. That's the meaning of the word Keirakukei. Chakra Pathway and Chakra Network are mistranslations.

https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Chakra_Pathway_System

Keirakukei is what it is in japanese and an entire wikia page dedicated to it pushes that legitimacy to being true. That, and it's obviously a chakra pathway system as chakra passes through the Keirakukei.

>No it doesn't. The Acupuncture Points only require a delicate press to affect them.

Using. Chakra. Again.

>Nowhere does it say that.

Its not stated because it's flat out shown. Hyugas cant hit Tenketsu with only physical strikes and neither can anyone else.

> And to boot, they're the size of a needle tip (hence Senbon)

Which means absolutely nothing, besides them being that small.

>Because thats actually what Kakashi is saying

And guess what? His explanation is based off the Hyugas method of drilling chakra into the opponents body, hence the "delicate press". It can't be done without chakra and the Hyuga using chakra blasts in every gentle fist demonstration period supports it.

>What an ironic choice of words.

Not really, since the link for this claim STILL doesn't work.

>Huh.

This link also doesn't work for me. Mangafreak isnt a well functioning manga site the way I see it as literally no link to it works for me.

>Haku is a pacificst, but he also wants to make Zabuza happy, IE a conflicting situation for Haku. Haku can very clearly put people in a near death state in a correct hits of the Tenketsu.

Which is never implied and is frankly stupid to believe for a second.

Naruto was hit with 64 palms, which blocks all Tenketsu, and wasn't put in a near-death state at all. Just greatly fatigued. Hell, Hinata had many of her Tenketsu and vital organs directly attacked by Neji and wasnt in near death until the end of the fight.

But Haku is suddenly able to do that by hitting like 2 Tenketsu? Not to mention its never stated he actually hit the Tenketsu points either.

>You mean you'd rather go with Viz because they support your argument.

No but because they're much more official than some random scrub. And it's silly to dismiss them all together just because of some mistakes. Apply that logic to other things and it's obvious bullshit right? Same thing applies here.

>So no reasons? Got it.

But there is. Up above again.

>Boruto vs Shikadai during the Chunin Exams. Boruto uses gentle fist against him to corner him.

That wasnt Gentle Fist, it's simply a fighting style dervived from it because Boruto is a descandant of the hyuga clan. He didnt actually hit Shikadai's Tenketsu at all to prove he can actively use it.

>So Kaguya's Hair Senbon is Gentle Fist now?

From actual feats of being able to hit Tenketsu with it? Unlike any other senbon user in the verse? Yes.

>Kaguya's hair senbon is natural to her, it's literally her hair. It can't be learned in any way.

The weapon being apart of her =/= she doesnt need to actively learn to apply it in a certain way

>Gentle Fist was brought up and invented by the Hyugas. Kaguya in no way has shown or had gentle fist and doesn't know anything about the history of Ninja. Nice try on attempting to flip the script tho.

And yet Momo and other Otsutsuki are clearly referred to being able to use it. Which leads me to the bottom point.

>Oh and on Momoshiki. They're wrong. Momoshiki was using a fighting style called Wing Chun, a real life martial arts. They literally only called it "Gentle Fist" because he was attempting to hit Naruto's Tenketsu while using Wing Chun.

And this is stated where? Plus, if he was attempting to hit the Tenketsu with it, then thats clearly Gentle Fist as well or else he'd have absolutely 0 clue on how hitting Tenketsu works.
 
Keirakukei is what it is in japanese and an entire wikia page dedicated to it pushes that legitimacy to being true. That, and it's obviously a chakra pathway system as chakra passes through the Keirakukei.

Japanese meaning > English mistranslation. Using a wikia page isn't the best resource.

Using. Chakra. Again.

Prove. It. If you have zero evidence then your claim is just that. a claim.

And guess what? His explanation is based off the Hyugas method of drilling chakra into the opponents body, hence the "delicate press". It can't be done without chakra and the Hyuga using chakra blasts in every gentle fist demonstration period supports it.

No he doesn't. He says nothing on Sending Chakra into the Tenketsu. In fact there's no reason to due to the fact all it does is restrict the flow Chakra.

Which is never implied and is frankly stupid to believe for a second.

Naruto was hit with 64 palms, which blocks all Tenketsu, and wasn't put in a near-death state at all. Just greatly fatigued. Hell, Hinata had many of her Tenketsu and vital organs directly attacked by Neji and wasnt in near death until the end of the fight.

But Haku is suddenly able to do that by hitting like 2 Tenketsu? Not to mention its never stated he actually hit the Tenketsu points either.


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You were saying. Also Eight Trigrams Sixty Four Palms Ironically only has one palm strike. The other strikes are just hitting the Tenketsu.

No but because they're much more official than some random scrub. And it's silly to dismiss them all together just because of some mistakes. Apply that logic to other things and it's obvious bullshit right? Same thing applies here.

Nope. Not all. Just dealing with your argument of the Tenketsu and Chakra Points being separate off a mistranslation. Saying they're not always wrong doesn't make your argument sound proof.

Which means absolutely nothing, besides them being that small.

So Senbon, a weapon specifically used to hit these points, mean nothing?

Not really, since the link for this claim STILL doesn't work.

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Yes, still pretty ironic, especially from someone who still hasn't provided evidence for their own claims.
That wasnt Gentle Fist, it's simply a fighting style dervived from it because Boruto is a descandant of the hyuga clan. He didnt actually hit Shikadai's Tenketsu at all to prove he can actively use it.

This is telling me you don't actually know what Gentle Fist is. Hinata while fighting Neji was unable to see the Tenketsu and attack accordingly despite using Gentle Fist and having a Byakugan. In order to attack the Tenketsu competently you need either

A. A Strong enough Byakugan(Which Neji had)

B. Detailed Knowledge on the Meridian System and Senbon(Which Haku had from his days as a Hunter Nin)

Neither that Hinata at that time or Boruto had.

From actual feats of being able to hit Tenketsu with it? Unlike any other senbon user in the verse? Yes.

Considering Gentle Fist is a martial arts and Senbon is a weapon used to hit the Tenketsu from long range? Nope. And this is stated where? Plus, if he was attempting to hit the Tenketsu with it, then thats clearly Gentle Fist as well or else he'd have absolutely 0 clue on how hitting Tenketsu works.

Episode 65 Director Chengxi Huang, studied and implemented Wing Chun into Naruto and Momoshiki's CQC. And he'd have no clue on hitting the Tenketsu despite having a Byakugan to clearly see them? Doubt it.
 
Can you just make a Content Revision thread? This thread is being derailed. Make a CRT if you think The Gentle Fist should be added to Kaguyas skillset.
 
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Momoshiki mas fuerte que kaguya?
no
-kaguya llega débil a la tierra,
luego absorbe el árbol, se vuelve más poderoso
- con el miedo al Ōtsutsuki es un miedo pasado después de que ella adquirió un poder m├ís grande, se preparó
- es como un trauma, lo que tenía, pero eso no va con los niveles que presento
que no pude poner momoshiki encima
-Los sabios pueden muy bien conseguirlo
y luego absorber Kinshiki-
Gaara tenía reflejos para detenerlo, si estuviera con el shukaku, lo habría acorralado mejor.
momoshiki era un miedo pasado por kaguya, no un nivel actual para ella
Momoshiki dice que Naruto es un monstruo que tenemos en mente que Naruto solo tiene la mitad de Kurama y no todos los bijuus en el interior como Kaguya. No hay comparación para el nivel. Kaguya tiene todos los Bijuus dentro de algo que ser├¡a un s├║per monstruo si Momoshiki hubiera visto. que
prácticamente kaguya es imparable ella sería la más poderosa del verso naruto y no momoshiki
necesito teletransportarse a hacerle daño, Kamui de un Susano última perfecto, miles de clones de Naruto donde veo que sería una patada en el culo momoshiki
dattebayo
En
 
Lo haré por fiestas
-Momoshiki menciona que Naruto es un monstruo por solo tener la mitad de las 9 colas
-los escritos están en pasado
-momoshiki nunca vio el kaguya actual, pero diría que es un súper monstruo por contener todos los bijuus
-El apoyo de los hechos y los hechos apoyan m├ís a Kaguya, contra Kamui en el equipo de combinación 7
-los sabios pueden retener incluso la fusión momoshiki y pueden verlo en la reflexión y se supone que es mejor que kaguya ?????
-con kaguya no pasaría ninguno de esos huesos y cenizas
-la lucha del equipo 7 vs kaguya -> la victoria del equipo 7 -> fue un milagro
su red de mundos oh dimensiones eliminaron el chakra
Si la pelea es un planeta, sin conexión con esos mundos, el equipo 7 no habr├¡a tenido una oportunidad real y, al parecer, Kaguya estaba perdiendo el chakra y el control de los bijuus, por lo que
incluso el perfil para poner a Momoshiki más fuerte debería comprobarse, pero algo del pasado no. elabore algo presente,
ya dicho por el mismo momoshiki, que Naruto es un monstruo, kaguya al absorber una fruta especial
, sería un súper monstruo ya que es el contenedor de todo el
dattebayo de bijuus completo .
 
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