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Scans why?

He shut off his sight.

He was sick,overuse of mangekyo leads to loss of light in one's eye(blindness).

It because Frog Mode Senjutsu is different..
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In Order to Maintain Senjutsu Mode. You must Constantly absorb Nature Chakra. Since Minato in SM Mode He constantly absorbing Nature Chakra and It will constantly disrupt any Genjutsu. as Jiraiya and Bee said any flow of chakra disrupt can snap out of Genjutsu.

Obito was strong enough to use Genjutsu on 3rd Tail and Nine Tail. Yet he could not use Genjutsu on Minato.
 
He never did and minato wasn't in sage mode.
Like Deidara can even harm 3rd Biju with just normal clay. That Sasuke could take on stronger clay explosion. So sasuke pre-ms durability is stronger than biju.. yea
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Cuz Minato didnt have enough chakra to be even in SM..

I Doubt that as Minato Kage level would be easily put under Genjutsu. They would fight in Genjutsu world. Minato can just try to tap on nature energy to disrupt him.
 
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He shut off his sight.

He was sick,overuse of mangekyo leads to loss of light in one's eye(blindness).

Like Deidara can even harm 3rd Biju with just normal clay. That Sasuke could take on stronger clay explosion. So sasuke pre-ms durability is stronger than biju.. yea
Wtf are you heading to?I asked a simple question.
Cuz Minato didnt have enough chakra to be even in SM.
Send scans were this was stated.
 
Why can't he do that? During the fight he swapped hands with the Deva Path and held his own until he went Sage Mode and knocked him flat on his ass.

Nothing indicates he can't.
The deva path significantly weakened from the chaotic shinra tensei who couldn't even use his signature move. Whereas Kakashi dealt with the FP Deva Path and the Asura Path too. Besides, Naruto got stronger due to training, while Kakashi didn't show signs of significant training between arcs.
Also Base Naruto had surpassed Base Jiraiya by that point, so he still above Kakashi.
No he hadn't? What indicates that? Besides, it's not like Base Jiraiya is stronger than Kakashi anyways. His only real feats are fighting Konan briefly and fighting Sick Orochimaru while recovering from poison. Konan is honestly pretty overrated, as her doing so well against Obito has to do with him not taking her seriously, and Sick Orochimaru, while still powerful, is not impressive enough to give Jiraiya solid scaling. Especially since Orochimaru hadn't gotten his new body yet so his arms were still completely unuseable.
 
Minato would win. SM Minato would not be affected by Genjutsu unless its Izanami Genjutsu..
SM Kabuto couldn't be Genjutsu earlier, until EDO Itachi use Izanami to put him under Genjutsu and then use Tsukoyomi to control him.
Now the problem with Izanami is it take a preparation to use it and I Doubt that Itachi even if he is Healthy can pull of Izanami right off the start. He isn't EDO so his body would not be able to survive if he even use it 1 time. Otherwise He would have use it against Sasuke when he was still alive.

There would be also no "Healthy Itachi". As It said that people who awakened Mangekyou would be in great pain, until they manage to awaken EMS. Obito doesnt have to worry about it as Half of his body contain Hashirama Cells.

Remember Itachi died because of overused of his Mangekyou and run out of chakra. Like similar to what happened to Kakashi that time who run out of chakra. It would be blitz for Minato.
Uh I agree Minato would win but I disagree with a lot of your points. Minato being unable to be put under genjutsu because nature energy disrupts it might work for normal genjutsu, but I doubt it would on something like Tsukuyomi. I just think Minato wouldn't look in his eyes.

Why can't he use Izanami while healthy? And him not using it on Sasuke is because he didn't need to, as he didn't think Sasuke would go evil and he already had kotoamatsukami as a failsafe.

Not from the start. It would be painful but he could use it much more than when sick.

It was because of his terminal illness.
 
Send scans were this was stated.

Here. In order to go Sage Mode, 1 must be balance between their chakra.
Minato was Maintaining The seal on Kushina when she gave birth to naruto.
Minato transported Biju Dama.
Minato summon Gamabunta on top of Kyuubi.
Minato ask Bunta to hold him down for a bit as he tried to gather chakra.

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when he teleport kyuubi. he said he doesnt have chakra to even put a barrier.
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so he cant use sage mode either at that situation. Hell turn into a statue frog if he absorb nature chakra.
 
It was because of his terminal illness.

Tobirama explained about Mangekyo Sharingan. It has nothing to do with Terminal Illness. Itachi was fine until Mangekyo was Awakened.. It was describe that Mangekyou user would be put in Great Pain after using it. We seen it on Sasuke, even Sasuke was Perfectly Healthy + Cursed Seal Boost, he still wasnt strong enough to endure that Pain when he use MS.. It was only removed when Sasuke obtain EMS.
 
Tobirama explained about Mangekyo Sharingan. It has nothing to do with Terminal Illness. Itachi was fine until Mangekyo was Awakened.. It was describe that Mangekyou user would be put in Great Pain after using it. We seen it on Sasuke, even Sasuke was Perfectly Healthy + Cursed Seal Boost, he still wasnt strong enough to endure that Pain when he use MS.. It was only removed when Sasuke obtain EMS.
Itachi was literally sick with a Disease. His Mangekyo was not what killed him, otherwise MS Sasuke would've died when his Mangekyo went away from Overuse like you're describing.
 
Itachi was literally sick with a Disease. His Mangekyo was not what killed him, otherwise MS Sasuke would've died when his Mangekyo went away from Overuse like you're describing.

Itachi became Sick due to Mangekyou all Uchiha clan who awaken MS Became sick Tobirama said it.. He didnt get Covid. Itachi died as He run out of Chakra (exhaustion) at the end of their fight not because of Diseased..You think Itachi would die on that Day because of Disease EVEN if they dont fight? Cuz of Disease right? Like I said Stick to what Tobirama about MS
 
Tobirama explained about Mangekyo Sharingan. It has nothing to do with Terminal Illness. Itachi was fine until Mangekyo was Awakened.. It was describe that Mangekyou user would be put in Great Pain after using it. We seen it on Sasuke, even Sasuke was Perfectly Healthy + Cursed Seal Boost, he still wasnt strong enough to endure that Pain when he use MS.. It was only removed when Sasuke obtain EMS.
So why didn't Madara or Sasuke die when they went blind?
Itachi became Sick due to Mangekyou all Uchiha clan who awaken MS Became sick Tobirama said it.. He didnt get Covid. Itachi died as He run out of Chakra at the end of their fight not because of Diseased..You think Itachi would die on that Day because of Disease EVEN if they dont fight? Cuz of Disease right? Like I said Stick to what Tobirama
All Tobirama said was that the eyes go blind not that the user dies.
 
So why didn't Madara or Sasuke die when they went blind?

All Tobirama said was that the eyes go blind not that the user dies.


Madara did go blind when he used Izanagi. Somehow he obtain hashirama dna Then Rinnengan awakened and restored both of his eyes.
Edo Itachi did go blind when he use Izanami and later he died.
Sasuke never went blind :) almost blind but Itachi eyes been transplanted to Sasuke

User can die from exhaustion without chakra ur dead.^_^
 
The deva path significantly weakened from the chaotic shinra tensei who couldn't even use his signature move. Whereas Kakashi dealt with the FP Deva Path and the Asura Path too. Besides, Naruto got stronger due to training, while Kakashi didn't show signs of significant training between arcs.

No he hadn't? What indicates that? Besides, it's not like Base Jiraiya is stronger than Kakashi anyways. His only real feats are fighting Konan briefly and fighting Sick Orochimaru while recovering from poison. Konan is honestly pretty overrated, as her doing so well against Obito has to do with him not taking her seriously, and Sick Orochimaru, while still powerful, is not impressive enough to give Jiraiya solid scaling. Especially since Orochimaru hadn't gotten his new body yet so his arms were still completely unuseable.
Deva Path wasn't at full power against Kakashi either, if there's more paths active, the pains are weaker because Nagato has to focus in controlling all of them while the less there are, the stronger the Deva Path is, hell Naruto gave the final blow to the Deva Path when it was all alone and resisted a Almighty Push from him.

Sage Naruto>Sage Jiraiya, which means Base Naruto>Base Jiraiya, it's also proof Naruto surpassed Minato there.
 
Madara did go blind when he used Izanagi. Somehow he obtain hashirama dna Then Rinnengan awakened and restored both of his eyes.
Edo Itachi did go blind when he use Izanami and later he died.
Sasuke never went blind :)

User can die from exhaustion without chakra ur dead.^_^
Um no that was after gaining the EMS. He didn't go blind from overuse. Maybe Itachi's version is false but Madara apparently was going blind then he had Izuna's eyes given to him.

He died not from Izanami but releasing the edo tensei.

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seems pretty blind to me. At least as blind as Itachi was and it was like 10 to 20 minutes after this that he got the EMS when Itachi died 1 minute after.

Being blind doesn't equate to having no chakra.
Deva Path wasn't at full power against Kakashi either, if there's more paths active, the pains are weaker because Nagato has to focus in controlling all of them while the less there are, the stronger the Deva Path is, hell Naruto gave the final blow to the Deva Path when it was all alone and resisted a Almighty Push from him.

Sage Naruto>Sage Jiraiya, which means Base Naruto>Base Jiraiya, it's also proof Naruto surpassed Minato there.
Still stronger than agaisnt Naruto. Also Pain was severely weakened then from using chibaku tensei and fighting off 6 tails Naruto.

No it's because he mastered SM so his form of it was stronger. And no it's not proof he surpassed Minato. Minato would stomp SM Naruto. Even his reactions, which is one of the trademark aspects of SM, is only subrelativistic via dodging the 3rd Raikage's strike, but Minato is relativistic so...yeah. And Naruto's SM wouldn't last long at all even if Minato for some reason couldn't kill him. So after Naruto returns to Base he'll be godstomped in a split second.
 
Here. In order to go Sage Mode, 1 must be balance between their chakra.
Minato was Maintaining The seal on Kushina when she gave birth to naruto.
Minato transported Biju Dama.
Minato summon Gamabunta on top of Kyuubi.
Minato ask Bunta to hold him down for a bit as he tried to gather chakra.

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when he teleport kyuubi. he said he doesnt have chakra to even put a barrier.
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so he cant use sage mode either at that situation. Hell turn into a statue frog if he absorb nature chakra.
Minato can still gain nature energy when needed lmao,but he stated he wasn't perfect with sage mode.

And you haven't replied my other comment.
 
Minato can still gain nature energy when needed lmao,but he stated he wasn't perfect with sage mode.

And you haven't replied my other comment.

Ye Minato wasnt perfect with Sage Mode and He cant use it in a long fight. But Itachi would been already tag by Minato. I too lazy to scroll sorry for missing ur comment.
 
Um no that was after gaining the EMS. He didn't go blind from overuse. Maybe Itachi's version is false but Madara apparently was going blind then he had Izuna's eyes given to him.

He died not from Izanami but releasing the edo tensei.

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seems pretty blind to me. At least as blind as Itachi was and it was like 10 to 20 minutes after this that he got the EMS when Itachi died 1 minute after.

Being blind doesn't equate to having no chakra.

Still stronger than agaisnt Naruto. Also Pain was severely weakened then from using chibaku tensei and fighting off 6 tails Naruto.

No it's because he mastered SM so his form of it was stronger. And no it's not proof he surpassed Minato. Minato would stomp SM Naruto. Even his reactions, which is one of the trademark aspects of SM, is only subrelativistic via dodging the 3rd Raikage's strike, but Minato is relativistic so...yeah. And Naruto's SM wouldn't last long at all even if Minato for some reason couldn't kill him. So after Naruto returns to Base he'll be godstomped in a split second.

Doesnt look like Blind at all. He was closed to being blind but Blurry. Blurry doesnt mean Blind..
Ye Being Blind doesnt mean no chakra.. Overused MS consume a lot of chakra and if run out of chakra then dead right? Was Itachi released from Edo by kabuto No right? Cant remember it anymore
 
It has nothing to do with Terminal Illness.
Then why is Itachi the only MS character with an illness? MS only leads to the light in one's eye when overused (blindness).
Itachi died as He run out of Chakra (exhaustion) at the end of their fight not because of Diseased
Wtf is wrong with this guy?
.You think Itachi would die on that Day because of Disease EVEN if they dont fight?
The battle made the process faster Itachi was already ill and could die at any moment so he needed to find a way to make sasuke unlock his MS.
Madara did go blind when he used Izanagi.
Madara was losing the light in his eyes(,blindness)which resorted him to take izuna to unlock EMS.
Edo Itachi did go blind when he use Izanami and later he died.
Izanami made him blind and he undid the edo summoning(edo-tensei) which was why he died/left. Not that the izanami killed his edo state.
Sasuke never went blind
He did or almost which resorted to Itachi eye taken to make him gain EMS.
But Itachi would been already tag by Minato.
I haven't checked both profiles but minato should be faster and possibly more intelligent so yh.
 
Um no that was after gaining the EMS. He didn't go blind from overuse. Maybe Itachi's version is false but Madara apparently was going blind then he had Izuna's eyes given to him.

He died not from Izanami but releasing the edo tensei.

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seems pretty blind to me. At least as blind as Itachi was and it was like 10 to 20 minutes after this that he got the EMS when Itachi died 1 minute after.

Being blind doesn't equate to having no chakra.

Still stronger than agaisnt Naruto. Also Pain was severely weakened then from using chibaku tensei and fighting off 6 tails Naruto.

No it's because he mastered SM so his form of it was stronger. And no it's not proof he surpassed Minato. Minato would stomp SM Naruto. Even his reactions, which is one of the trademark aspects of SM, is only subrelativistic via dodging the 3rd Raikage's strike, but Minato is relativistic so...yeah. And Naruto's SM wouldn't last long at all even if Minato for some reason couldn't kill him. So after Naruto returns to Base he'll be godstomped in a split second.
Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed his predecessors, he trained Minato in Sage Arts and Minato got the same Perfect Sage Mode Naruto has, which means they have the same boost which means Base Naruto>Base Minato.

Plus it isn't stated Perfect Sage Mode is stronger than Imperfect Sage Mode, just that is more stable or that they can gather Nature Energy better.
 
Doesnt look like Blind at all. He was closed to being blind but Blurry. Blurry doesnt mean Blind..
Ye Being Blind doesnt mean no chakra.. Overused MS consume a lot of chakra and if run out of chakra then dead right? Was Itachi released from Edo by kabuto No right? Cant remember it anymore
It's as blind as Itachi was.

No. Prove being blind means no chakra otherwise it sounds like blatant headcanon. And yes he released the edo tensei by force that was a big plot point.
Fukasaku said Naruto surpassed his predecessors, he trained Minato in Sage Arts and Minato got the same Perfect Sage Mode Naruto has, which means they have the same boost which means Base Naruto>Base Minato.

Plus it isn't stated Perfect Sage Mode is stronger than Imperfect Sage Mode, just that is more stable or that they can gather Nature Energy better.
That was before Kishimoto decided to give Minato SM. Both SM and BM Minato were pretty asspully, especially SM since he would've used it if he had it, since it takes him a split second to activate it despite him saying it doesn't. It's clear that Kishimoto only decided Minato had SM during the war arc. It was also before Kishimoto decided to make Minato stronger than he thought he was at the time. Feats>statements, and Minato's later feats blatantly surpass SM Naruto's.

Base Naruto doesn't have the feats to put him above Base Jiraiya. His best feats in the PA are fighting against severely weakened Deva Path. Meanwhile Jiraiya while having to keep his hands together so not being at full potential could still contend with the animal path strengthened from being in the rain village.
 
It's as blind as Itachi was.

No. Prove being blind means no chakra otherwise it sounds like blatant headcanon. And yes he released the edo tensei by force that was a big plot point.

That was before Kishimoto decided to give Minato SM. Both SM and BM Minato were pretty asspully, especially SM since he would've used it if he had it, since it takes him a split second to activate it despite him saying it doesn't. It's clear that Kishimoto only decided Minato had SM during the war arc. It was also before Kishimoto decided to make Minato stronger than he thought he was at the time. Feats>statements, and Minato's later feats blatantly surpass SM Naruto's.

Base Naruto doesn't have the feats to put him above Base Jiraiya. His best feats in the PA are fighting against severely weakened Deva Path. Meanwhile Jiraiya while having to keep his hands together so not being at full potential could still contend with the animal path strengthened from being in the rain village.

This is where your wrong. If Itachi released Edo Tensei then he would be Similar as Madara (Remember Madara didnt die after being released by Edo Tensei) Kubo plothole confused everyone. Since Itachi was able to know Edo Tensei technique when he control Kabuto.

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I did not say Being Blind means No Chakra. I Said You will die if you run out of Chakra. Kakashi was example, he died and run out of chakra but somehow Kubo made him survive again (we never seen who healed Kakashi after fighting Pain, when he used Kamui as last resort)
 
This is where your wrong. If Itachi released Edo Tensei then he would be Similar as Madara (Remember Madara didnt die after being released by Edo Tensei) Kubo plothole confused everyone. Since Itachi was able to know Edo Tensei technique when he control Kabuto.

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I did not say Being Blind means No Chakra. I Said You will die if you run out of Chakra. Kakashi was example, he died and run out of chakra but somehow Kubo made him survive again (we never seen who healed Kakashi after fighting Pain, when he used Kamui as last resort)
Kubo? I think you're confusing Bleach with Naruto. Also Itachi didn't know he could undo the reanimation for just himself. He also probably thought it wasn't for the best.

Ok, but it is canon that Itachi had an illness. Obito said this and that he prolonged his life with medicine. Fighting a long battle probably didn't help, but it's not THE reason. Also...how long has it been since you watched Naruto Shippuden? It seems like you forgot a lot of the big plot points, life the fact that Nagato revived everyone he killed in Konoha with rinne rebirth, sacrificing himself in the process.
 
Kubo? I think you're confusing Bleach with Naruto. Also Itachi didn't know he could undo the reanimation for just himself. He also probably thought it wasn't for the best.

Ok, but it is canon that Itachi had an illness. Obito said this and that he prolonged his life with medicine. Fighting a long battle probably didn't help, but it's not THE reason. Also...how long has it been since you watched Naruto Shippuden? It seems like you forgot a lot of the big plot points, life the fact that Nagato revived everyone he killed in Konoha with rinne rebirth, sacrificing himself in the process.

Itachi did control Kabuto and Teach him how to Stop Edo Tensei and Madara also know how to Stop Edo Tensei.
Nagato Sacrificing abilities of Rinne Rebirth only usable with Time Frame. Otherwise he would also revive Jiraiya or his own Team member.

Its been a long time since I read the manga of Naruto. Maybe like 7 years ago? I dont watch anime as there a lot of filler inserted.
 
Nagato Sacrificing abilities of Rinne Rebirth only usable with Time Frame. Otherwise he would also revive Jiraiya or his own Team member.

Its been a long time since I read the manga of Naruto. Maybe like 7 years ago? I dont watch anime as there a lot of filler inserted.
Actually it's just because they were in the leaf which is the area he revived.

I see. I mean you know there are filler lists right?
 
...no? But what does that have to do with anything?
Just tryin to say the animation suck. but u claim its intentionally like that to prove his speed and power... but later on stronger ppl and animation improved they dont do that kind of face... It was stated there are multiple animation production company is working on naruto shipuuden that why every other episode does not match with same quality.
 
Just tryin to say the animation suck. but u claim its intentionally like that to prove his speed and power... but later on stronger ppl and animation improved they dont do that kind of face... It was stated there are multiple animation production company is working on naruto shipuuden that why every other episode does not match with same quality.
Because they didn't choose to use that style. In this style exaggeration was used to convey speed and power, in other fights they used different styles. Not better or worse. Also this kinid of animation takes much more time than other fights so it can't be done all the time. It being divisive also didn't help.
 
Minato scales above Obito’s kamui speed which is just shy of being as fast as Juubidara throwing TSBs from distance. Above V2 Bee and Lightning Cloak Ay. All who should scale above Sasuke’s Kirin which Itachi could only use susanoo in the time it took to react.

Also fought Obito who could place the full 9 tails under genjutsu, Itachi doesn’t have a genjutsu feat on par with that other than Tsukuyomi which is the only thing he would use in character.

Minato blitzes and rasengans him into the dirt.
 
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