MinatoSparkle
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That was Sick Itachi, this is Healthy Itachi.
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(GRACE) Minato vs Itachi
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My answer doesn't change. He's also faster than Hashirama who fought EMS Madara who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Itachi
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Note, Itachi is only Massively Hypersonic, Likely Sub-Rel. He isn't flat out sub-rel. Minato is weirdly sub-rel, with rel reactions.
Hashirama is Relativistic, easily scaling above a wild Kurama who is Sub-rel and superior to the other 8 tailed beasts. He was able to catch his bijuu bomb. Madara states Tobirama was the fastest shinobi back in the day, which would include himself and Hashirama. Tobirama could react to revived Sage Mode Madara who slaughtered EMS Sasuke. And Tobirama states Minato has better shunshin than him.
I'd have more feats Hashirama scales to but EMS Edo Madara is modified and isn't the same as his living state.
Hashirama is Relativistic, easily scaling above a wild Kurama who is Sub-rel and superior to the other 8 tailed beasts. He was able to catch his bijuu bomb. Madara states Tobirama was the fastest shinobi back in the day, which would include himself and Hashirama. Tobirama could react to revived Sage Mode Madara who slaughtered EMS Sasuke. And Tobirama states Minato has better shunshin than him.
I'd have more feats Hashirama scales to but EMS Edo Madara is modified and isn't the same as his living state.
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I don't know what that has to do with anything I said, my arguments still don't change. If Minato uses sage mode its a blitz + one shot.
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He use Sage Mode "in-character"?
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Alive Minato has like 3 seconds of feats before he dies. A flashback to when he was a jonin vs Raikage, and a 2/10 effort fight against Obito. He has perfect sage mode, so I assume he's used it a few times in his life. He does summon his toads as we see in the 9 tails attack, and we can determine they have a long history.
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Alive minato never used sage mode.
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So he learned sage mode from the frog sages in the afterlife with no body? Show me the scans.
MinatoSparkle
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EMS Madara>>Itachi, not nearly as ridiculous a speed chain as you make it out to be.
Reacted to PS/Bijuudama in Base.
Also just generally fought Madara, who in a nerfed Edo state could fight KCM2 Naruto
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Scaling it for me.
Except madara was stated to be revived above his prime when alive.
MinatoSparkle
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MinatoSparkle
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Who knows Madara's strength better, Kabuto, or Hashirama who both fought his EMS version and Edo version?
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When kabuto stated it madara didn't object infact he was glad.
MinatoSparkle
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No, Madara challenged his claim and Kabuto admitted he didn't really know Madara's true power so he was just guessing giving him Hashirama cells would make him better than his alive self.
MinatoSparkle
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Still,
Who knows Madara's strength better, Kabuto, or Hashirama who both fought his EMS version and Edo version?
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Edo Madara has the rinnegan, by default he’s stronger than he was in his living prime. Regaining his old strength = not being limited to the chakra afforded to him through Kabuto’s technique.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Didn't Blind No Eyes Alive Madara absolutely stomp Edo Sage Mode Hashirama?
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Don’t really remember entirely but I do know he paralyzed Hashirama by using the rinnegan receiver rods then took his sage mode
MinatoSparkle
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No, his physical stats were still weaker. That's clearly shown through him immediately busting out of the deity gates when he was revived. Also chakra is specifically stated to be infinite by Madara as an Edo so no he was limited in terms of chakra compared to being an Edo
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Limited in terms of his original chakra levels
XSOULOFCINDERX
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How is Infinite Chakra limited compared to Finite Chakra?
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Bruh
For example he’s tier 7 as an edo and tier 6 with an actual body
For example he’s tier 7 as an edo and tier 6 with an actual body
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Maybe it's because he's weaker as an Edo like everyone is telling you. Also, we don't scale Chakra Capacity to AP otherwise you get shit like Part 1 Naruto being equal to Kisame since Neji compared his Chakra to Naruto's from back then.
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I don’t think I made that point but ok
MinatoSparkle
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Wdym? He's High 7-A both as an Edo and EMS. Unless you mean SM.
But it was only 30% Kisame so that means it's totally valid
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Precisely
mad him.a fooder.
MinatoSparkle
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Precisely
Specifically had to use the rods he implanted in him to stop his movements. Otherwise he would've gotten bodied.
MinatoSparkle
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Did you not see Madara using hand signs to activate the rods in Hashirama's back? Without those there's no way he would've won.
MinatoSparkle
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They were Edo Madara's ability. Edo Madara could match Edo Hashirama to get those rods in his back, Blind Madara had no part in that. He's not stronger than Hashirama just because he took advantage of something a stronger version of himself did.
MinatoSparkle
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Yes
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Er... bump?
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Bump.
