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(GRACE) Izuku Midoriya (Deku) VS Steven Universe (Character) (3-0-10)

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but he does still damage himself with 100%. tbh he might be able to outlast Steven if Steven didn't have mid-low regen, but he does. any damage that deku inflicts on Steven will be healed before it effects him enough to KO him. Stevens barrier wont even need to last than long, only long enough to heal the wounds that deku inflicted on him. and even if he doesn't put up a bubble barrier, its still 50/50 weather he could outlast deku by just standing there with his mid-low regen.
 
Mid low is not so good of a regen that he won’t get knocked unconscious within the first minute of getting rag dolled by Deku. Then he gets restrained by Blackwhip and can’t do anything.

If your claim is “he puts the shield up every time he thinks he’s taking too many hits then puts it down,” that just incentivizes Deku to restrain him rather than KO him.

Steven’s regen doesn’t give him infinite stamina by the way. If he’s constantly getting beat up he’s going to get tired very quickly.

Also: if Deku just chokes Steven out with Blackwhip, then what does he do.

The only outcome i’m currently seeing is either Deku waits Steven out of his bubble until Steven is sleep deprived then beats him unconscious or they incon each other by not being able to attack the other in any meaningful way.
 
and the ap difference between the two characters isn't so great that deku can knock out Steven in one minute.

and if deku does restrain him then he puts up his shield anyway? restraining him isn't going to stop him from putting up a shield.

even if he does get tired very quickly, it doesn't matter, because his wincon is being a wall while deku breaks himself. like, Steven isn't going to win by throwing hands, so stamina isn't as important to him as it is to deku.

true

my point is that deku will do more damage to himself then what he will do to Steven even if Steven is unconscious. and even if deku does knock Steven out, what then? people typically only stay unconscious for a few minutes.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Mid low is not so good of a regen that he won’t get knocked unconscious within the first minute of getting rag dolled by Deku. Then he gets restrained by Blackwhip and can’t do anything.

If your claim is “he puts the shield up every time he thinks he’s taking too many hits then puts it down,” that just incentivizes Deku to restrain him rather than KO him.

Steven’s regen doesn’t give him infinite stamina by the way. If he’s constantly getting beat up he’s going to get tired very quickly.

Also: if Deku just chokes Steven out with Blackwhip, then what does he do.

The only outcome i’m currently seeing is either Deku waits Steven out of his bubble until Steven is sleep deprived then beats him unconscious or they incon each other by not being able to attack the other in any meaningful way.
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Getting punted around in his bubble doesn’t really do anything, we’ve seen him get thrown around in his bubble before and it didn’t really do anything to him, since he kind of just stays in the center (It’s perfectly in-character for Steven to throw up a bubble shield immediately, so he’s not getting rag dolled)

the idea isn’t “he puts up a shield after taking too many hits”, it’s “he puts up a shield, then turtles and let’s Deku tire himself out”. Yes Deku’s got higher stamina, but Steven’s stamina drain over the fight is going to be next to none due to him just turtling, while Deku’s going to be greatly damaging himself with every (no-sold) attack to Steven’s shields. I’m aware that his stamina is high enough for him to ignore this for a while, but it’s still notable, as he’s getting more and more worn out while Steven is barely expending any energy just sitting in a bubble (Which is 100% in-character for him to do)

getting beat up and choked out by black whip won’t be an issue since Deku can’t even scratch Steven’s 6-C bubbles

the energy cost for Steven to keep up his bubbles is practically nothing (Heck, in season 1 he could keep a bubble up for hours while having absolutely zero knowledge on or control over his powers with no notable stamina drain), so Deku’s not waiting him out

I like this match, but it kinda sucks since you either use Steven’s early keys where he’s got similar AP, and he just turtles in a bubble that Deku can’t ever hope to damage and outlasts him, or you use his later keys where turtling is a little less in-character, and Steven holds just about every advantage outside of things like readily-applicable range and combat experience
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Getting punted around in his bubble doesn’t really do anything, we’ve seen him get thrown around in his bubble before and it didn’t really do anything to him, since he kind of just stays in the center (It’s perfectly in-character for Steven to throw up a bubble shield immediately, so he’s not getting rag dolled)

the idea isn’t “he puts up a shield after taking too many hits”, it’s “he puts up a shield, then turtles and let’s Deku tire himself out”. Yes Deku’s got higher stamina, but Steven’s stamina drain over the fight is going to be next to none due to him just turtling, while Deku’s going to be greatly damaging himself with every (no-sold) attack to Steven’s shields. I’m aware that his stamina is high enough for him to ignore this for a while, but it’s still notable, as he’s getting more and more worn out while Steven is barely expending any energy just sitting in a bubble (Which is 100% in-character for him to do)

getting beat up and choked out by black whip won’t be an issue since Deku can’t even scratch Steven’s 6-C bubbles

the energy cost for Steven to keep up his bubbles is practically nothing (Heck, in season 1 he could keep a bubble up for hours while having absolutely zero knowledge on or control over his powers with no notable stamina drain), so Deku’s not waiting him out

I like this match, but it kinda sucks since you either use Steven’s early keys where he’s got similar AP, and he just turtles in a bubble that Deku can’t ever hope to damage and outlasts him, or you use his later keys where turtling is a little less in-character, and Steven holds just about every advantage outside of things like readily-applicable range and combat experience
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He apparently changed Steven's key because his later keys were stomp.
 
"Also, back on topic, I don’t see much reason why Deku can’t just shake Steven like a soda can while he’s holed up in the bubble and make him go unconscious that way. The kid still has a brain and organs."

Because that wouldnt break the bubble and Steven has his levitation in this key so it wouldnt really work too well, he can just float inside the bubble

Plus he would have to be incapped for 24 hours, just hitting his head wouldnt do that as hes been knocked out before and gets back up in a few minutes, and tat was from season 1 steven being headbutted by jasper which canonically cracked his skull open

"Even if any of these advantages are present for Steven, here are the situations that Izuku can win:

Restraining when Izuku finds an opening

Long Fights (possibly, if Steven doesn't seal)

Close Fights

Using Smoke Manipulation"

All of these are circumvented by steven's 6-C bubble shield which he spams in character

Also: if Deku just chokes Steven out with Blackwhip, then what does he do.
he maks a bubbl to get out of it, Amthyst trid the same thing with her whip


 
Remember, Deku is not stupid. He isn't gonna go oh lol bubble don't break imma try to break the bubble again. He's gonna keep on using strategy, also what's stopping Deku from restraining with Blackwhip while Steven is in bubble? What stops Steven losing due to being restrained in bubble for 2 hours?

At worse this is a very long and drawn out Izuku Midoriya win, and at best a fast Izuku Midoriya win.
 
Steven can't really do anything once he's wrapped up in Blackwhip, even if he's in a bubble. His LS is only Class 5, not enough to break out of his hold.

Izuku's body isn't going to break unless he attacks, and he isn't stupid enough to keep attacking a bubble he clearly can't even scratch. The only thing that happens is that Izuku holds Steven in there until he runs out of oxygen right?

Can Steven make spikes appear from his bubble in this key, because that might possibly be his only chance to escape Blackwhip.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Steven can't really do anything once he's wrapped up in Blackwhip, even if he's in a bubble. His LS is only Class 5, not enough to break out of his hold.

Izuku's body isn't going to break unless he attacks, and he isn't stupid enough to keep attacking a bubble he clearly can't even scratch. The only thing that happens is that Izuku holds Steven in there until he runs out of oxygen right?

Can Steven make spikes appear from his bubble in this key, because that might possibly be his only chance to escape Blackwhip.
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Sure he won’t keep attacking it, but he won’t just know on sight that the shield’s dura is magnitudes higher than his own AP, he’ll need to at least hit them with a few attacks to realize

The bubble creates its own oxygen, so Steven isn’t going to be suffocating in there

Yes he can create spikes on it in this key
 
Izuku can attack over dozens of times with 100% in a single limb, I highly doubt he'd even hit the bubble again after seeing a 100% attack do zero damage. It is out of character for him to even try a second time after seeing literally nothing happen to it.

So Steven should be capable of tearing through Blackwhip with his spike bubble, which means Izuku isn't going to capable of doing much with Blackwhip.

In which case Izuku can't win period, Blackwhip is his only real option but Steven's spikes should tear through it.

So I'm certain that this is either inconclusive or Steven wins by running Izuku out. Which doesn't sound like a fair fight to me.
 
Soupywolf5 said:
I’m pretty sure we’ve established that Steven stomps here (Via turtling in a bubble that Deku can’t break ever and being able to counter his only real option)
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ShockingShoes said:
Remember, Deku is not stupid. He isn't gonna go oh lol bubble don't break imma try to break the bubble again. He's gonna keep on using strategy, also what's stopping Deku from restraining with Blackwhip while Steven is in bubble? What stops Steven losing due to being restrained in bubble for 2 hours?

At worse this is a very long and drawn out Izuku Midoriya win, and at best a fast Izuku Midoriya win.
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the problem is steven can keep the bubble up while hes knocked out and can regen from unconsciousness in minutes also Literally Jasper, a 7-A soon to be 6-C, headbutted steven when he was 9-B hard enough to split his skull in half and knock him out and steven was fine a few minutes later so knocking him out long enough to win is highly unlikely
 
And restraining with black whip is countered by Steven coating his bubble with spikes to tear through it (heck, that’s exactly what he did when Amethyst tried rag-dolling/restraining his bubble with her whip) it’s perfectly in-character for him to turtle and not attack, and his bubble has little to no stamina drain (he could maintain it for hours back in season 1 despite having zero idea on how his powers work and he can even keep it up while unconscious edit: ninja’s here), meaning that Deku throws a punch at the bubble, breaks his hand, then the two just sit and stare at each other (although I suppose that’s more like an incon then a stomp)
 
Soupywolf5 said:
And restraining with black whip is countered by Steven coating his bubble with spikes to tear through it (heck, that’s exactly what he did when Amethyst tried rag-dolling/restraining his bubble with her whip) it’s perfectly in-character for him to turtle and not attack, and his bubble has little to no stamina drain (he could maintain it for hours back in season 1 despite having zero idea on how his powers work and he can even keep it up while unconscious edit: ninja’s here), meaning that Deku throws a punch at the bubble, breaks his hand, then the two just sit and stare at each other (although I suppose that’s more like an incon then a stomp)
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Voting Incon?
 
The op needs to be updated as it still says that deku is winning even though his votes have been removed
It's like rusty said, basically it's either an incon from steven turtling from deku until they both agree to stop fighting or it's a loooooooong con win for steven via waiting for deku to exhaust himself and Knowing their characters the former is far more likely
 
Spinoirr said:
The op needs to be updated as it still says that deku is winning even though his votes have been removed
It's like rusty said, basically it's either an incon from steven turtling from deku until they both agree to stop fighting or it's a loooooooong con win for steven via waiting for deku to exhaust himself and Knowing their characters the former is far more likely
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Voting Incon?
 
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