Goku vs Superman - Who has stronger will?

[Seventy96]

Son Goku


Superma

In your opinion, which one has stronger will?

 

[DMB_1]

Superman would do anything to save someone's life.

Meanwhile, Goku would risk the distruction of the entire multiverse, and never akniowledge to have made a mistake just for a fight, making him a complete as*hole in the process.

Goku has a bit of an advantage.

 

[Dragomer]

Superman would do anything to save someone's life.
Meanwhile, Goku would risk the distruction of the entire multiverse, and never akniowledge to have made a mistake just for a fight, making him a complete as*hole in the process.

Goku has a bit of an advantage.

Technicaly, Goku would acknowledge that he shouldn't do it or shouldn't have done it but still do it and show absolutly no remorse nor care

 

[Dragomer]

I'd say Goku, i mean, kill Superman's wife and child ? you broke him to the very core of his being, he'll kill you but he is not Superman anymore

kill everyone Goku know ? he'll rage, kill you and then either ressurect them or move on without having changed one bit, Goku was always more of a 'people and society adapt to me' type of character rather than a 'my travels and my surrounding molded me to be who i am'

 

[Jared1111]

Eh, Superman's got pretty bullshit willpower abilities. He's survived the mindrape of demons, gods, 5th Dimension beings, and he's even been able to overpower Green Lanterns with willpower alone.

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And even in hypothetical situations where someone "killed" Lois and or someone he loved, he still managed to forgive and move on. Oh he'll throw you in the Phantom Zone and punish you for your deeds, but he will still allow you to move on from your mistakes

One time manchester black "killed" Lois, after sending in all of Supermans enemies after Metropolis, burning the city to the ground, exhausting Superman to a point of no return, and even slightly mind raping him and altering his thoughts... Superman still didn't kill.

... Ironically Manchester later killed himself because he was mad that someone so good could exist, and he felt like utter shit. So Superman willpower once made a supervillian kill himself out of pure shame... that's something.

 

[PaChi2]

Which superman are we talking about...like... w0t

When people say "superman" who are they referring to? Because there are tons of different supermen out there.

 

[Jared1111]

It says in the tags that it's Post-Crisis.

 

[ByAsura]

Vegeta would have been a better option here.

 

[DMUA]

Superman stomps.

The guy has withstood mindrape, Omega beams, and many other things, and yet has still gotten back up and fought for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

When the going got tough for Goku in the Cell games, he just gave up and let Gohan fight.

Superman would have never thrown his own kid into the meat grinder like that. Even if he had hidden potential.

 

[Akreious]

Goku gave up because he knew he CANNOT defeat Cell. His son can. What you're saying is morality DMUA, not willpower. If ONLY your son can save the world, but they might die but you still don't let them? You lack the willpower to do the greater good. Which Goku, ironically, does despite all the hate he gets.

 

[Tori-Bot]

Goku has far greater Will power.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

This won't end well for either fan base.

 

[LordAnomanderRake]

If we're talking willpower, as in withstanding mental attacks, Superman. If we're talking willpower as in a strong moral compass, I don't know.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

Superman stomps.
The guy has withstood mindrape, Omega beams, and many other things, and yet has still gotten back up and fought for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

When the going got tough for Goku in the Cell games, he just gave up and let Gohan fight.

Superman would have never thrown his own kid into the meat grinder like that. Even if he had hidden potential.

During their training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Goku seen Gohans potential. He threw Gohan in there with Cell because Goku knew it would draw out this hidden power. Plus Goku helped Gohan with the final Kamehameha clash with Cell so he cared.

Back on topic though I haven't read the comics so I never seen a time that Superman gave up on fighting an opponent. But I have seen Goku give up against Beerus. Though there are times when a character should know when they are out of their league.

Supes has dealt with high dimensional beings which can easily trick your mind into believing a false reality. I believe Supes may take this win if it is about mental strength.

 

[Jared1111]

Yeah, Goku may be a little reckless but he's not a sociopath. He knew he couldn't beat Cell, so he gave Gohan a chance, realizing he was the only one that had the power needed to end the fight.

... Though to be fair, giving said monster a senzu bean to heal himself is pretty stupid. But Goku's fair if nothing else, and his kindness has worked out more than it's hurt him.

That being said, if it's mental strength, as said before, Superman wins without hesitation. If it's about resolve... i say their pretty evenly split in a lot of areas, neither gives up without good reason, both stick to their morals no matter how evil a being may be, but superman has shown to be able to do good and fight battles of will on a far more consistent basis, with a lot more stories showing him to be pretty untouchable morally, i mean, even gods find his sense of willpower to be basically unbeatable.

So honestly, pound for pound, Superman edges out. But it's not like Goku is some asshole like people make him out to be.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

I mean he does have the will power to wear his underwear on his pants, and is not worried about what Lois thinks.

 

[Jared1111]

I mean he's got enough will power to laugh about it

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There's a literal storyline where Superman is tortured by a villain and is forced to see the heat death of the universe as it happens and he survives it through sheer force of will and is not broken or driven mad by the experience.

He also entered the Source Wall where everything fades into primal energy and merges with the Source, and where no one should be able to survive according to Highfather, and yet he remained himself through will.

And even without stupid feats Superman's will is much stronger. Goku is a martial artist who fights for selfish reasons first. Of course he ain't evil and would save an innocent person in danger if they were in his way, but that's not his primary characteristic.

Meanwhile Superman is the archetypal superhero, a selfless paragon who always puts others over himself and does everything to save lives and stop evil, and keeps going no matter what happens. Superman's universe is also much darker and serious than Dragon Ball most of the time, and Superman has gone through way worse experiences in his life, and yet he always pulls himself together and goes on.

 

[Dragomer]

There's a literal storyline where Superman is tortured by a villain and is forced to see the heat death of the universe as it happens and he survives it through sheer force of will and is not broken or driven mad by the experience.
He also entered the Source Wall where everything fades into primal energy and merges with the Source, and where no one should be able to survive according to Highfather, and yet he remained himself through will.

And even without stupid feats Superman's will is much stronger. Goku is a martial artist who fights for selfish reasons first. Of course he ain't evil and would save an innocent person in danger if they were in his way, but that's not his primary characteristic.

Meanwhile Superman is the archetypal superhero, a selfless paragon who always puts others over himself and does everything to save lives and stop evil, and keeps going no matter what happens. Superman's universe is also much darker and serious than Dragon Ball most of the time, and Superman has gone through way worse experiences in his life, and yet he always pulls himself together and goes on.

Goku litteraly saw an entier timeline becoming an eldritch abomination and the extinction of all life in Trunks's timeline and it didn't even phase him

and Goku litteraly fell into a singularity and came back just because he refused to die and in the same arc got trapped in a black hole and broke it by sheer force of will

so yeah, Goku has an answer for both of Superman feat except that for Goku, it's all within the same continuity while you're using multiple superman from contradictory storyline and we don't have as many 'anti feat' that goes against Goku while one of Superman's biggest storyline is having his will broken by Lex Luthor becoming president and another one is having his will broken by Lois Lane and his child dying

that's morality, not will power

again, morality, not will power

meh, there where two age of comics that was basicaly devoided of any darkness and seriousness for Superman so no, his univers isn't much darker and serious most of the time, they both have wildly varying level of seriousness

 

[DMB_1]

There's a literal storyline where Superman is tortured by a villain and is forced to see the heat death of the universe as it happens and he survives it through sheer force of will and is not broken or driven mad by the experience.
He also entered the Source Wall where everything fades into primal energy and merges with the Source, and where no one should be able to survive according to Highfather, and yet he remained himself through will.

And even without stupid feats Superman's will is much stronger. Goku is a martial artist who fights for selfish reasons first. Of course he ain't evil and would save an innocent person in danger if they were in his way, but that's not his primary characteristic.

Meanwhile Superman is the archetypal superhero, a selfless paragon who always puts others over himself and does everything to save lives and stop evil, and keeps going no matter what happens. Superman's universe is also much darker and serious than Dragon Ball most of the time, and Superman has gone through way worse experiences in his life, and yet he always pulls himself together and goes on.

Goku litteraly saw an entier timeline becoming an eldritch abomination and the extinction of all life in Trunks's timeline and it didn't even phase him
and Goku litteraly fell into a singularity and came back just because he refused to die and in the same arc got trapped in a black hole and broke it by sheer force of will

so yeah, Goku has an answer for both of Superman feat except that for Goku, it's all within the same continuity while you're using multiple superman from contradictory storyline and we don't have as many 'anti feat' that goes against Goku while one of Superman's biggest storyline is having his will broken by Lex Luthor becoming president and another one is having his will broken by Lois Lane and his child dying

that's morality, not will power

again, morality, not will power

meh, there where two age of comics that was basicaly devoided of any darkness and seriousness for Superman so no, his univers isn't much darker and serious most of the time, they both have wildly varying level of seriousness

It didn't even phase him because he simply didn't give a crap.

 

[DodoNova2]

I'm waiting to see how the thread will end up being Hakai

 

[Huesito88]

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I can already see this turning to shit. I bet Goku vs Superman playing Mario Kart would be a shitstorm over who'd win.