Goku vs Sonic low 2-C

[Greenshifter]

and goku holding back would be his baddest decision he will ever make

If he deems Sonic not worthy to fight but doesn’t wanna kill him then he IT’s next to him and neckchops him with enough AP to KO him. How likely this is to happen though I leave to you guys, I’m just saying we should account for this happening.

 

[sanicspood]

If he deems Sonic not worthy to fight but doesn’t wanna kill him then he IT’s next to him and neckchops him with enough AP to KO him. How likely this is to happen though I leave to you guys, I’m just saying we should account for this happening.

but wouldnt he just sense his energy? he'll know sonic is relative to him so he most likely will deem him worthy

 

[Greenshifter]

Sonic is not relative to MUI Goku. MUI Goku’s scaling chain allows him to oneshot several times over. Only the Kaioken multiplier is already enough to oneshot even (if multipliers count in low 2-C). MUI will also make him want to finish this fight as quick as possible due to time limit.

 

[sanicspood]

Sonic is not relative to MUI Goku. MUI Goku’s scaling chain allows him to oneshot several times over. Only the Kaioken multiplier is already enough to oneshot even (if multipliers count in low 2-C).

oh

 

[ElixirBlue]

instant transmission

2-A cosmology

 

[ElixirBlue]

Can “complete ultra instinct goku” increase his speed?

 

[sanicspood]

Can “complete ultra instinct goku” increase his speed?

once he turns into said form yes his speed increases

 

[ElixirBlue]

once he turns into said form yes his speed increases

No, I meant, when he is in that form, can he increase his speed? The OP already has Complete Ultra Instinct at the start of the match.

 

[sanicspood]

No, I meant, when he is in that form, can he increase his speed? The OP already has Complete Ultra Instinct at the start of the match.

yes, when he fought jiren his power and speed were increasing insanley high

 

[Axxtentacle]

He has reactive power level and gets pretty significantly stronger/faster over TOP, and he grows while fighting determined Jiren.

 

[sanicspood]

He has reactive power level and gets pretty significantly stronger/faster over TOP, and he grows while fighting determined Jiren.

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[ElixirBlue]

He has reactive power level and gets pretty significantly stronger/faster over TOP, and he grows while fighting determined Jiren.

How fast is that growth, using Jiren as comparison?

 

[Axxtentacle]

Jiren quickly grows to keeping up and even starting to beat up MUI, which in turn grows to turns the tide again. They basically keep growing at a pretty constant rate, enough to swap the tide of the battle a few times. Not sure how that helps you.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Jiren quickly grows to keeping up and even starting to beat up MUI, which in turn grows to turns the tide again. They basically keep growing at a pretty constant rate, enough to swap the tide of the battle a few times.

So the speed of the growth never allows enough time to for us to see the characters blitz each other, while Sonic’s Super Peel Out does.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Yes, but they both are consistently growing. Also, goku after MUI is able to fight a Jiren that’s stated to get his full power back after Toppo gives him a pep talk. It’s pretty good RPL with a very significant growth rate.

 

[ElixirBlue]

But in the conversation of match in Speed Equalized, Goku’s speed doesn’t increase fast enough to Sonic pulling out his Super Peel Out that blitzs characters like Knuckles who has very comparable speed to Sonic. Sonic hits Goku but is stone walled like his fights against Robo-Robotnik.

Sonic understands H2H is not going to work on his opponent and using Haxes.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

There is also the time limit issue for Anime MUI Goku, as he barely lasted a minute in this form and could barely transform after using it.

Even though this Goku starts in MUI and is healthy, unlike Goku who was already exhausted and beaten down by Jiren, this still won't last for long

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So is this battle still fair?

If so then I'll vote for Sonic

 

[sanicspood]

this still feels like a stomp for me

 

[sanicspood]

but if it isnt im kinda gonna vote for goku via better adaptation and being a better fighter overall. yes mui doesn't last long but since goku can one shot sonic i think he can take this

 

[Axxtentacle]

But in the conversation of match in Speed Equalized, Goku’s speed doesn’t increase fast enough to Sonic pulling out his Super Peel Out that blitzs characters like Knuckles who has very comparable speed to Sonic. Sonic hits Goku but is stone walled like his fights against Robo-Robotnik.

Sonic understands H2H is not going to work on his opponent and using Haxes.

Ok, so it’s a speed blitz and he immediately uses his hax, making it a stomp? What are you trying to prove?

I disagree with the bit about Goku’s speed “doesn’t increase fast enough”, but if that’s what you’re arguing, you’re arguing for a stomp. Which was already agreed on.

 

[ElixirBlue]

this still feels like a stomp for me

If Goku has a wincon(lowering his power to knock Sonic out, tho there is a reason in Sonic’s case for it to be difficult for Goku to do in the first hit), it’s not a stomp.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Ok, so it’s a speed blitz and he immediately uses his hax, making it a stomp? What are you trying to prove?

Someone winning is a stomp?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Also, Archie Sonic FRA

 

[Axxtentacle]

Someone winning is a stomp?

That’s a complete misinterpretation of what I said. If Sonic is just going to hax him immediately, it’s a stomp because Goku has no chance.

 

[Axxtentacle]

If Goku has a wincon(lowering his power to knock Sonic out, tho there is a reason in Sonic’s case for it to be difficult for Goku to do in the first hit), it’s not a stomp.

Goku doesn’t go for knocking people out, he enjoys the fight itself.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That’s a complete misinterpretation of what I said. If Sonic is just going to hax him immediately, it’s a stomp because Goku has no chance.

As long as Goku has a wincon, it isn't a stomp

 

[ElixirBlue]

That’s a complete misinterpretation of what I said. If Sonic is just going to hax him immediately, it’s a stomp because Goku has no chance.

No, Sonic attempts H2H 1st. Quickly realizing he can’t hurt his opponent, he switches tactics.

Goku doesn’t go for knocking people out, he enjoys the fight itself.

But

If he deems Sonic not worthy to fight but doesn’t wanna kill him then he IT’s next to him and neckchops him with enough AP to KO him. How likely this is to happen though I leave to you guys, I’m just saying we should account for this happening.

 

[sanicspood]

still voting for goku for my reasons above

 

[Axxtentacle]

As long as Goku has a wincon, it isn't a stomp

That’s called a mismatch, and those aren’t allowed to be added either.

Goku doesn’t just go straight for knocking people out that are weaker than him. He literally powers himself down to fight them.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Goku did held back against characters much weaker than his full power, such as against Frost, Caulifla and more, but he might as well do the neck chop too

 

[Axxtentacle]

Goku did held back against characters much weaker than his full power, such as against Frost, Caulifla and more, but he might as well do the neck chop too

Yes, he holds back because he wants to fight them. He doesn’t “stop holding back” because they’re weaker, he slowly powers up to see where they max out. He does this to virtually everyone he fights, and even does it in the TOP, where his universe is as stake.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Goku did held back against characters much weaker than his full power, such as against Frost, Caulifla and more, but he might as well do the neck chop too

Hasn’t Goku dealt with weaker opponents before in Z? I remember him running into humans again during Z and not having the intense desire to fight.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Wait, though. If Sonic’s first move is H2H, wouldn’t Goku in MUI just one shot him? I forgot we’re talking about MUI and not just a normal Goku. MUI doesn’t do the “holding back” bs, so if Sonic just comes straight at him, he’d be 1 shot.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Hasn’t Goku dealt with weaker opponents before in Z? I remember him running into humans again during Z and not having the intense desire to fight.

It's honestly depends. For some opponents he'll want to test their powers and hold back to test them, but in other cases he'll just ko them

 

[sanicspood]

hm. so this could be a incon

 

[Axxtentacle]

If Sonic’s first move really is H2H, then he gets 1 tapped. The only way to really prevent that would be prior knowlege, but that would make it a stomp in Sonic’s favor, no?

 

[sanicspood]

inconcluson??!?!?!?

 

[ElixirBlue]

MUI doesn’t do the “holding back” bs, so if Sonic just comes straight at him, he’d be 1 shot.

Wait, what makes MUI not follow the “holding back” bs, if the only opponent we have to go off is Jiren, who Goku was already fighting before MUI. Isn’t MUI the same character?

 

[sanicspood]

Wait, what makes MUI not follow the “holding back” bs, if the only opponent we have to go off is Jiren, who Goku was already fighting before MUI. Isn’t MUI the same character?

if hes in mui in the first place why would he hold back?