Goku vs Omni-Man

[Chariot190]

Except Goku one shots with Kaioken just about. And he can use Kaioken for a extensive period of time in the Ginyu Saga, it isn't like the Saiyan Saga where it was only for a tiny bit.
Goku is over 5.1x stronger with Kaioken, is 5.1x more durable, has versatility, long ranged, attacks that can hit even greater power due to focusing his ki. And Omniman can't exactly sense that Goku just got stronger in order to stall, and with speed equal, he can't exactly flee after getting hit and finding out how much of a disadvantage he's at, not to mention Kaioken boosts speed too.

I don't think anyone actually thought this over, like at all.

 

[Orange]

I remember that goku could use kaioken in like small bursts so he doesn't hurt himself. And it only becomes a problem after ge exceeds kaioken10 or 20. Add in that goku is a better fighter, knows pressure points, can kinda copy or understand his fighting style. His kamehameha boosts his stats overall. He can blind him with taioken. Has better range advantage with shockwaves, ki blasts, Kia, kamehameha. He can also sense him which makes goku react better, know where he will attack and how strong he is.

 

[Chariot190]

I remember that goku could use kaioken in like small bursts so he doesn't hurt himself. And it only becomes a problem after ge exceeds kaioken10 or 20. Add in that goku is a better fighter, knows pressure points, can kinda copy or understand his fighting style. His kamehameha boosts his stats overall. He can blind him with taioken. Has better range advantage with shockwaves, ki blasts, Kia, kamehameha. He can also sense him which makes goku react better, know where he will attack and how strong he is.

He used it pretty extensively against Ginyu and Frieza, well in the manga he NEVER used it in bursts, he had it up the entire time. The anime just decided to use it in bursts retroactively to show that yes, he was using Kaioken but also in order to keep up the surprise. The manga, due to being monochrome, could play with that and go "oh yeah, that aura? That WAS the Kaioken lol". Dude unironically doesn't even need to do it in bursts till like 20x.

Kaioken is needlessly excessive here, Goku's opponent has only one advantage over him and that's it.

 

[Muuuuh]

No one in DB reached MFTL+ speeds until DBS(I know its equal), also no one in DB could destroy planets with punches before DBS(and for that part just gods and god likes)
The only way for DB characters to win the fight is with enegy attacks, but all DB character tries phisycal fight before energy in character, so Goku will die with one punch.

 

[sanicspood]

No one in DB reached MFTL+ speeds until DBS(I know its equal), also no one in DB could destroy planets with punches before DBS(and for that part just gods and god likes)
The only way for DB characters to win the fight is with enegy attacks, but all DB character tries phisycal fight before energy in character, so Goku will die with one punch.

???????? uh downplayer? what the ****.

 

[sanicspood]

No one in DB reached MFTL+ speeds until DBS(I know its equal), also no one in DB could destroy planets with punches before DBS(and for that part just gods and god likes)
The only way for DB characters to win the fight is with enegy attacks, but all DB character tries phisycal fight before energy in character, so Goku will die with one punch.

people in dragon ball z (this has to be what ur referring to otherwise why mention it) can destroy planets with there very punches. the **** u on?

 

[Muuuuh]

people in dragon ball z (this has to be what ur referring to otherwise why mention it) can destroy planets with there very punches. the **** u on?

Can you show me? I don't really remember anyone doing this until Beerus

 

[sanicspood]

Can you show me? I don't really remember anyone doing this until Beerus

read the profiles, they scale to people who can bust planets easily lol

 

[Muuuuh]

read the profiles, they scale to people who can bust planets easily lol

With energy attacks, not punches

 

[sanicspood]

With energy attacks, not punches

in dragon ball there ki scales to every part of there body, so yes they can

 

[Orange]

With energy attacks, not punches

Let's ignore frieza blocking gokus kamehameha, vegeta surfing the kamehameha. Raditz blocking the kamehameha etc
Which mind you they all range from moon to dwarf star levels. And most of the people blocked it with their palms.
If you disagree, do a ctr please

 

[Orange]

He used it pretty extensively against Ginyu and Frieza, well in the manga he NEVER used it in bursts, he had it up the entire time. The anime just decided to use it in bursts retroactively to show that yes, he was using Kaioken but also in order to keep up the surprise. The manga, due to being monochrome, could play with that and go "oh yeah, that aura? That WAS the Kaioken lol". Dude unironically doesn't even need to do it in bursts till like 20x.

Kaioken is needlessly excessive here, Goku's opponent has only one advantage over him and that's it.

Oh I thought he did the same in manga lmao. The anime really loves changing stuff. Besides stats, what can omni king- omni man do?

 

[VegetaFan756]

goku FRA

 

[Muuuuh]

in dragon ball there ki scales to every part of there body, so yes they can

False, here for example Goku was above the Moon / Planet level with energy attacks in his base form, but his physical strength could not support 40 tons.

 

[sanicspood]

False, here for example Goku was above the Moon / Planet level with energy attacks in his base form, but his physical strength could not support 40 tons.

akira does not care how much characters can lift. its very inconsistent in the verse. try again

 

[Rez]

False, here for example Goku was above the Moon / Planet level with energy attacks in his base form, but his physical strength could not support 40 tons.

That's just lifting strength and you also need to consider the fact that king Kai's planet has more gravity than Earth

 

[Orange]

You know that lifting strength doesn't play a large part on their ap.
And you have frieza surfing a planets explosion, goku almost destroying the macrocosm. Jiren shaking the world of void and I think he destroyed hits dimension too?

 

[Muuuuh]

That's just lifting strength and you also need to consider the fact that king Kai's planet has more gravity than Earth

I know, 10 times more, or 400 tons.

The point is, having planet level energy doesn’t put your physique on level paneta in Dragon ball like he’s saying

 

[Muuuuh]

Let's ignore frieza blocking gokus kamehameha, vegeta surfing the kamehameha. Raditz blocking the kamehameha etc
Which mind you they all range from moon to dwarf star levels. And most of the people blocked it with their palms.
If you disagree, do a ctr please

all of these attacks do damage through the explosion, so it doesn’t prove much

 

[sanicspood]

I know, 10 times more, or 400 tons.

The point is, having planet level energy doesn’t put your physique on level paneta in Dragon ball like he’s saying

i said in dragon ball ur ki scales to all. lifting strentgh is different becuz its so inconsistent in the verse we have it at unknown here.

 

[sanicspood]

all of these attacks do damage through the explosion, so it doesn’t prove much

???????

 

[sanicspood]

what is this downplay im seeing

 

[Orange]

Actually they all exploded, lmao raditz blocked two moon attacks. And one of them only "stringed his hair"
But let's just say you are correct, and say they can't. They have other means to destroy more than planets which they always use in fights against each other

 

[Muuuuh]

Actually they all exploded, lmao raditz blocked two moon attacks. And one of them only "stringed his hair"
But let's just say you are correct, and say they can't. They have other means to destroy more than planets which they always use in fights against each other

Yes, which shows my point again. There is a difference between the power of physical attacks and the energy of DB characters, a very big difference. However, both attacks can injure the opponent.

We clearly have a split durability here, they are more resistant to energy attacks than physical damage.


Yes, I agree with you, they can kill Omni man with energy attacks. But I think that in character they would go for physical attacks, which would end up in defeat

 

[Orange]

Yes, which shows my point again. There is a difference between the power of physical attacks and the energy of DB characters, a very big difference. However, both attacks can injure the opponent.

We clearly have a split durability here, they are more resistant to energy attacks than physical damage.


Yes, I agree with you, they can kill Omni man with energy attacks. But I think that in character they would go for physical attacks, which would end up in defeat

Of omni man. And split durability isn't an argument and you seem intelligent enough to know that you are just joking

 

[Tyranno223]

Yes, which shows my point again. There is a difference between the power of physical attacks and the energy of DB characters, a very big difference. However, both attacks can injure the opponent.

We clearly have a split durability here, they are more resistant to energy attacks than physical damage.


Yes, I agree with you, they can kill Omni man with energy attacks. But I think that in character they would go for physical attacks, which would end up in defeat

Regardless of your theories, this site treats Dragonball characters as equally destructive in physical stats as energy stats. If you want to change that, go make a content revision thread.

 

[Muuuuh]

Of omni man. And split durability isn't an argument and you seem intelligent enough to know that you are just joking

It's a very powerful argument when one side gets hurt with city level punches and the other can punch planet level

 

[Chariot190]

No one in DB reached MFTL+ speeds until DBS(I know its equal), also no one in DB could destroy planets with punches before DBS(and for that part just gods and god likes)
The only way for DB characters to win the fight is with enegy attacks, but all DB character tries phisycal fight before energy in character, so Goku will die with one punch.

Except anyone Vegeta and above, and if you doubt that, Frieza at the very minimum given if memory serves, in some old ass guide it was stated he could tear a planet apart.

 

[Muuuuh]

Regardless of your theories, this site treats Dragonball characters as equally destructive in physical stats as energy stats. If you want to change that, go make a content revision thread.

I just proved that this is not true with the image of his level of strength on the planet Kaion

 

[Muuuuh]

Except anyone Vegeta and above, and if you doubt that, Frieza at the very minimum given if memory serves, in some old ass guide it was stated he could tear a planet apart.

with energy

 

[Chariot190]

It's a very powerful argument when one side gets hurt with city level punches and the other can punch planet level

Omniman can't even do that. His feat is ******. And there's numerous times where DBZ characters use physical strength to destroy things far above city. Kid Gohan literally smashes a saiyan attack pod, which could withstand having a country turned into a crater without a scratch.
Or how about Frieza surviving a planet exploding while embedded into it? You do know what kinetic energy is right?

with energy

Yes because tearing apart a planet with your hands is energy.

 

[Tyranno223]

I just proved that this is not true with the image of his level of strength on the planet Kaion

Again, you need to make a thread if you want that to be accepted.

 

[Muuuuh]

Again, you need to make a thread if you want that to be accepted.

I don't understand VSbattle very well, what is the point of the debate if I not being able to bring evidence? Wouldn't it be better just a poll without a opinion?

 

[Tyranno223]

I don't understand VSbattle very well, what is the point of the debate if I not being able to bring evidence? Wouldn't it be better just a poll without a opinion?

The wiki already has character profiles and calcs made. Changes to the profiles can be made by revision threads. However, this sort of change is extremely unlikely to go through, because everything related to Dragon ball has been debated to hell and back

 

[Muuuuh]

Omniman can't even do that. His feat is ******. And there's numerous times where DBZ characters use physical strength to destroy things far above city. Kid Gohan literally smashes a saiyan attack pod, which could withstand having a country turned into a crater without a scratch.
Or how about Frieza surviving a planet exploding while embedded into it? You do know what kinetic energy is right?

Yes because tearing apart a planet with your hands is energy.

Yes he can, damage beings that survived planetary explosions with punches are exactly that.

all you said is damage of energy attacks

 

[Chariot190]

Yes he can, damage beings that survived planetary explosions with punches are exactly that.

Except he can't his feat is going to be redone.

all you said is damage of energy attacks

Literally pointed out how Frieza is at minimum physically planet level. Learn to read. Gohan smashed it physically too.

they survived a planetary explosion without major injuries but can seriously injure themselves with physical attacks

Also this quite literally applies to Frieza, who took a planet exploding while in it, while they managed to escape the planet and fly at least a thousand km away first before it finally began exploding. They got hit and took it, but nowhere near the full extent.

You're not even following your own logic here.

"Omniman is planet lv because he can physically hurt characters who took an exploding planet".

News flash, literally applies to anyone Frieza and up, a massively weakened Frieza mind you, who was half dead, cut in half and had zero energy, after getting nuked, and having just fought a draining exchange that took all his stamina.

 

[Tyranno223]

Yes he can, damage beings that survived planetary explosions with punches are exactly that.

all you said is damage of energy attacks

None of those were done with energy attacks. Gohan quite literally used his head.

 

[Tyranno223]

Dragon ball characters can literally use physical force to overpower energy attacks. Not to mention survive energy attacks far above base planetary by the Namek saga, such as when Recoome took only minor damage from a charged blast from a Vegeta far stronger than his Saiyan saga counterpart, who was going to destroy the earth with a Galick gun.

 

[Muuuuh]

None of those were done with energy attacks. Gohan quite literally used his head.

debatable, he was almost into an energy attack

 

[Chariot190]

Actually yeah that's true. Frieza kicked Vegeta's planet buster into space casually. Or Buu smacking Gohan's ki blast through earth, with it coming out the other side. Among other times.