Gohan (DBS) vs Beerus (DBS)

[Mickey1940]

Sigh.

Gohan beast is the strongest character in the series so far barring the angels. He's so far above the GoD tier characters that he one shots them all.
Toriyama stated that at his strongest, gohan is stronger than anybody else.
Gohan also has statements about having "the strongest battle in history" with cell max. This would include gogeta and broly's battle along with UI Goku and Jiren's battle, even the three GoD battle. And if we take the manga continuity, Gohan's fight chronologically takes place after Black freeza who could possibly take a post granolah arc UI Gogeta.
Cell max is stated by toriyama to be possibly capable of taking down a post granolah saga Broly (after having his brain completed so physically he scales) who must have gotten far stronger after training with beerus and whis.
Gohan blocked his full power with his aura. We haven't seen a level of superiority this drastic before.
Cell max easily beat orange piccolo with one arm, piccolo is stated to be comparable to Goku and Vegeta by toriyama which scales him to their instinct forms. (The gammas scale to their blue forms)
The scaling chains look like this.
Beerus < Broly < DBS SH Broly ~ Cell max <<< Gohan beast.
Beerus <= belmod < Jiren <<< hidden power Jiren < UI Goku ~ Orange piccolo < Cell max <<< Gohan beast.
Beerus < Broly <<< Blue gogeta < Gohan beast.

Some people will say that Cell max wasn't completed so he doesn't scale to broly. However hedo states that cell max is physically complete but just needs a brain so he can be controlled. So cell max still scales to Broly and Gohan still face tanked an attack comparable in attack power to post Granolah saga broly with his aura.
Some people will say that cell max was weakened after fighting piccolo but this is wrong. He only lost his arm and still easily beat piccolo who's comparable to full power Goku and vegeta after the granolah saga chronologically. Regardless, cell max with one arm vs Gohan is still stated to be the strongest battle in history so this argument is irrelevant.

Some people will say beerus can hakai. Gohan can literally blink him out of existence before he can say the word.
Gohan washes

1. Like I've said multiple times, author statements should be taken with a grain of salt considering how inaccurate they've been over the past half-decade regarding the series
2. Like I've ALSO said multiple times, Gohan never fought Cell Max when Cell Max was at full power. He fought Cell Max after taking several critical hits to his head from numerous Z Fighters, getting his arm blown off and half petrified, and weakened to the point where Orange Piccolo alone could stand up to him. On top of that, Gohan killed him by shooting said weak spot, which, before Cell Max was weakened, was harmed by the likes of Krillin and Fat Gotenks.
3. Cell Max wasn't "easily" beating Orange Piccolo. Piccolo got in plenty of good hits on him, PLUS both of them were severely injured at the time.
4. Orange Piccolo doesn't scale to Goku and Vegeta in their Ultra forms, he scales to them in their Blue forms. If you want to argue against that, make a CRT to change Goku's and Vegeta's pages
5. Gohan blocked a weakened Cell Max's attack with hi aura alone. Cool. Great. Weakened Cell Max is barely stronger than Orange Piccolo, Blue Goku, and Blue Vegeta. Beerus can still do the exact same thing
6. Beerus can Hakai by using Hakai aura, which is thought based

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

1. He's faster than thought-based paralysis?
2. Beerus's Ultra Instinct will pretty much instantly tell him that he's in danger so he would most likely be bloodlusted immediately, only assuming Gohan'sactually stronger
3. Ultra Instinct skill solves that issue if it even exists in the first place
4. That's true. Cell Max was weakened so badly that he could barely handle Orange Piccolo. This was the only version of Cell Max that Gohan ever fought. Jesus christ. I've said that point like 3 times in this thread alone. Considering the difference between Beerus and a weakened Cell Max, I highly doubt Gohan would be able to handle Beerus with the same level of effort.

1. He used that move once against a character whose movements were probably like a turtle to him
2. His UI doesn't matter when the opponent has too big of a speed advantage
3. See the above point
4. The numerous statements on Saigo Gohan's power lead us to believe Cell Max getting damaged by Gamma 2 isn't exclusively why he had that much ease against the creature

1. Like I've said multiple times, author statements should be taken with a grain of salt considering how inaccurate they've been over the past half-decade regarding the series
2. Like I've ALSO said multiple times, Gohan never fought Cell Max when Cell Max was at full power. He fought Cell Max after taking several critical hits to his head from numerous Z Fighters, getting his arm blown off and half petrified, and weakened to the point where Orange Piccolo alone could stand up to him. On top of that, Gohan killed him by shooting said weak spot, which, before Cell Max was weakened, was harmed by the likes of Krillin and Fat Gotenks.
3. Cell Max wasn't "easily" beating Orange Piccolo. Piccolo got in plenty of good hits on him, PLUS both of them were severely injured at the time.
4. Orange Piccolo doesn't scale to Goku and Vegeta in their Ultra forms, he scales to them in their Blue forms. If you want to argue against that, make a CRT to change Goku's and Vegeta's pages
5. Gohan blocked a weakened Cell Max's attack with hi aura alone. Cool. Great. Weakened Cell Max is barely stronger than Orange Piccolo, Blue Goku, and Blue Vegeta. Beerus can still do the exact same thing
6. Beerus can Hakai by using Hakai aura, which is thought based

1. The statements in use here are supported by the narrative. They aren't at all outdated
2. They still refer to him as the strongest there is
3. Cell Max had a clear advantage against Piccolo and while the Namekian's attacks had an effect on the Bio-Android they didn't do anything significant
6. He'll only use hakai aura if he's angry

 

[Vizer04]

He'll only use hakai aura if he's angry

And if he needs to

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

And if he needs to

That's just regular hakai

 

[Vizer04]

That's just regular hakai

No reason to assume it wouldn't work on Gohan

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

No reason to assume it wouldn't work on Gohan

Speed isn't equalized and hakai works via gesture

 

[Vizer04]

Speed isn't equalized and hakai works via gesture

I'm talking about his Hakai Aura, something that all GoD have (even Toppo who's not even a full GoD)

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm talking about his Hakai Aura, something that all GoD have (even Toppo who's not even a full GoD)

He'll only resort to that when angered. And given Gohan's speed, he's not gonna have the time to detect how much of a threat he is before he gets got

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

1. Like I've said multiple times, author statements should be taken with a grain of salt considering how inaccurate they've been over the past half-decade regarding the series

What? Prove it's inaccurate. Toriyama is the dude who wrote the movie.

2. Like I've ALSO said multiple times, Gohan never fought Cell Max when Cell Max was at full power. He fought Cell Max after taking several critical hits to his head from numerous Z Fighters, getting his arm blown off and half petrified, and weakened to the point where Orange Piccolo alone could stand up to him. On top of that, Gohan killed him by shooting said weak spot, which, before Cell Max was weakened, was harmed by the likes of Krillin and Fat Gotenks.

Your point is irrelevant. The cell max vs Gohan fight is stated to be the strongest fight in dragon ball history which would include fights that would make beerus look like a toddler such as Goku vs Jiren or broly vs gogeta.

Regardless, said "weakened" cell max still easily beat orange piccolo who's stated by toriyama to be comparable to Goku and Vegeta putting him comparable to their instinct forms which dwarf beerus even before having years to train.

The special beam canon drilled through cell max's full power continent sized ki blast so that point is moot. Also are we going to ignore Gohan blocking cell max's fist with his aura?

3. Cell Max wasn't "easily" beating Orange Piccolo. Piccolo got in plenty of good hits on him, PLUS both of them were severely injured at the time.

Cell was fighting like 7 people at once and still beat piccolo with 1 arm and piccolo didn't even make him bleed.

4. Orange Piccolo doesn't scale to Goku and Vegeta in their Ultra forms, he scales to them in their Blue forms. If you want to argue against that, make a CRT to change Goku's and Vegeta's pages

No he doesn't. You didn't follow the scaling CRT. It was accepted that the gamma's scale to their blue forms and Piccolo scaled to their instinct ones which is consistent with him keeping up with cell who scales to post granolah saga broly and who Goku and vegeta would struggle to defeat at their strongest.

5. Gohan blocked a weakened Cell Max's attack with hi aura alone. Cool. Great. Weakened Cell Max is barely stronger than Orange Piccolo, Blue Goku, and Blue Vegeta. Beerus can still do the exact same thing

Weakened cell max who scales above literally everyone in the verse barring broly who he physically scales to. Beerus has no scaling to any of these guys and in fact, everyone scales to/above him.

6. Beerus can Hakai by using Hakai aura, which is thought based

Gohan walks through it.

 

[Vizer04]

Gohan walks through it

He can't do that

 

[Nierre]

gohan fra

 

[Jiren's_Dad]

He can't do that

Why wouldn’t he if Broly is considered stronger then Beerus and Gogeta destroyed Broly Gohan being stated the strongest warrior which includes Gogeta and Beerus and being stated to have the strongest battle ever which includes Champa Vs Beerus, MUI Goku and Jiren, Gogeta Vs Broly if you think Cell Max is weaker then Broly then your massively increasing Gohan’s power via let’s say Broly is a 6 Gogeta is a 7 add that up that equals a 13 but let’s say Cell Max is a 5 then for this battle to be stronger the total has to be a 14 so Gohan would have to be a 9 to make that battle considered a 14 Broly would be stronger if not equal to Beerus so you no where I’m going with this the gap between Gohan Vs Beerus or Broly doesn’t matter is a lot bigger then the gap between them and Gogeta.

 

[Mickey1940]

1. He used that move once against a character whose movements were probably like a turtle to him
2. His UI doesn't matter when the opponent has too big of a speed advantage
3. See the above point
4. The numerous statements on Saigo Gohan's power lead us to believe Cell Max getting damaged by Gamma 2 isn't exclusively why he had that much ease against the creature


1. The statements in use here are supported by the narrative. They aren't at all outdated
2. They still refer to him as the strongest there is
3. Cell Max had a clear advantage against Piccolo and while the Namekian's attacks had an effect on the Bio-Android they didn't do anything significant
6. He'll only use hakai aura if he's angry

1. He should upscale to SSJG Goku who could use it on Ikari Broly
2. He doesn't for the reasons I mentioned above
3. See my above point
4. The issue with is is that Cell Max went from being stronger than LSSJ Ikari Broly to only barely managing Orange Piccolo. Broly scales to Goku and Vegeta's Ultra forms to a certain degree, while Orange Piccolo is on par with Goku and Vegeta in their SSGSS forms. Meaning that, at BAREST minimum, Gohan would need to prove that he has an advantage of over 20 times, just to fill the gap between SSGSS and Kaioken x20/SSGSS Evolution, and that's even ignoring the vast difference between Blue and Ultra in the first place.

The difference between SSGSS and Ultra is actually insane. Think about it like this:

Gogeta was stated to be on par with SSGSS Goku and Vegeta in his Base form, and did better against Broly than SSGSS Goku and Vegeta combined without transforming, then stacked SSGSS on top of his already SSGSS level base form to fight Broly, who's arguably on par with Beerus.

Meaning the likes of Base Goku needs SSGSS squared in order to compete with Beerus

 

[Mickey1940]

What? Prove it's inaccurate. Toriyama is the dude who wrote the movie.

Your point is irrelevant. The cell max vs Gohan fight is stated to be the strongest fight in dragon ball history which would include fights that would make beerus look like a toddler such as Goku vs Jiren or broly vs gogeta.

Regardless, said "weakened" cell max still easily beat orange piccolo who's stated by toriyama to be comparable to Goku and Vegeta putting him comparable to their instinct forms which dwarf beerus even before having years to train.

The special beam canon drilled through cell max's full power continent sized ki blast so that point is moot. Also are we going to ignore Gohan blocking cell max's fist with his aura?


Cell was fighting like 7 people at once and still beat piccolo with 1 arm and piccolo didn't even make him bleed.


No he doesn't. You didn't follow the scaling CRT. It was accepted that the gamma's scale to their blue forms and Piccolo scaled to their instinct ones which is consistent with him keeping up with cell who scales to post granolah saga broly and who Goku and vegeta would struggle to defeat at their strongest.


Weakened cell max who scales above literally everyone in the verse barring broly who he physically scales to. Beerus has no scaling to any of these guys and in fact, everyone scales to/above him.


Gohan walks through it.

1. Toriyama's the same dude who made the god scale. That alone should be enough justification to why what he says probably isn't the most accurate thing

2. See above

3. RESPOST #1 Cell Max wasn't "easily" beating Orange Piccolo. Piccolo got in plenty of good hits on him, PLUS both of them were severely injured at the time.
also, Cell Max can't bleed. He's a robot. Ultimate Piccolo was able to shatter his forehead, much less Orange Piccolo. Also, yeah, he was fighting 8 people at once, but Piccolo also got the crap beaten out of him by Cell Max beforehand. Neither of them were at full power.

4. Show me the part that got accepted and then I'll believe you

5. wtf? Beerus doesn't scale to Broly? even though the only justification of Broly's power is based off of the statement that he's probably stronger than Beerus?

6. Without explicit resistance to EE plus no ki protection at all, Gohan's not going to get out of Hakai unscathed.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

1. Toriyama's the same dude who made the god scale. That alone should be enough justification to why what he says probably isn't the most accurate thing

No that's not enough. This is poisoning the well and is a logical fallacy. Toriyama is also the same guy who writes the DBS broly movie and the super hero movie and the guy who wrote all of DB. The god scale is extremely outdated before they even planned on making super or continuing the franchise.

2. See above

See above what? You didn't respond to anything. Are you going to undermine literal author and source material statements because they disagree with your scale?

3. RESPOST #1 Cell Max wasn't "easily" beating Orange Piccolo. Piccolo got in plenty of good hits on him, PLUS both of them were severely injured at the time.
also, Cell Max can't bleed. He's a robot. Ultimate Piccolo was able to shatter his forehead, much less Orange Piccolo. Also, yeah, he was fighting 8 people at once, but Piccolo also got the crap beaten out of him by Cell Max beforehand. Neither of them were at full power.

You are inconsistent. You said cell max isn't beating orange piccolo easily yet you're also saying that he got beat up at the start with both not going all out.
Then you're implying that orange piccolo should easily be able to shatter cell's forehead but he still lost.
My point is that cell max ruined piccolo easily despite fighting many people with one arm while by your own words "heavily weakened". Yet he still clapped piccolo and was considered the strongest fight in history and Gohan scales above that.

4. Show me the part that got accepted and then I'll believe you

The gamma's are low 2-C for scaling to Goku and Vegeta off piccolo's statement. Goku and vegeta are low 2-C only in SSB.
Orange piccolo scales off cell max who scales to "at least low 2-C" off being a tough foe for both Goku and Vegeta to take out (impossible in blue and instinct forms required) and also broly (who Goku and Vegeta can only compete with in instinct). Goku and Vegeta are "at least low 2-C" only in their instinct forms.

5. wtf? Beerus doesn't scale to Broly? even though the only justification of Broly's power is based off of the statement that he's probably stronger than Beerus?

Yes broly scales above beerus. Beerus' scaling doesn't come from broly.

6. Without explicit resistance to EE plus no ki protection at all, Gohan's not going to get out of Hakai unscathed.

An off guard base Goku tanked a hakai. Golden freeza could take control of a hakai woth brute force and vegeta could literally punch through it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Goku and Vegeta are "at least low 2-C" only in their instinct forms.

Its been accepted that they're that strong in their Super Saiyan Blue forms

 

[Mickey1940]

No that's not enough. This is poisoning the well and is a logical fallacy. Toriyama is also the same guy who writes the DBS broly movie and the super hero movie and the guy who wrote all of DB. The god scale is extremely outdated before they even planned on making super or continuing the franchise.


See above what? You didn't respond to anything. Are you going to undermine literal author and source material statements because they disagree with your scale?



You are inconsistent. You said cell max isn't beating orange piccolo easily yet you're also saying that he got beat up at the start with both not going all out.
Then you're implying that orange piccolo should easily be able to shatter cell's forehead but he still lost.
My point is that cell max ruined piccolo easily despite fighting many people with one arm while by your own words "heavily weakened". Yet he still clapped piccolo and was considered the strongest fight in history and Gohan scales above that.

The gamma's are low 2-C for scaling to Goku and Vegeta off piccolo's statement. Goku and vegeta are low 2-C only in SSB.
Orange piccolo scales off cell max who scales to "at least low 2-C" off being a tough foe for both Goku and Vegeta to take out (impossible in blue and instinct forms required) and also broly (who Goku and Vegeta can only compete with in instinct). Goku and Vegeta are "at least low 2-C" only in their instinct forms.



Yes broly scales above beerus. Beerus' scaling doesn't come from broly.

An off guard base Goku tanked a hakai. Golden freeza could take control of a hakai woth brute force and vegeta could literally punch through it.

1. What makes you think the same thing isn't going to happen again?
2. I meant see above like see #1.
3. I don't see how that's inconsistent. Both of them took severe damage before they actually started brawling it out. Ultimate Piccolo took several hits from Cell Max plus his previous fights with the Gammas before going Orange against a weakened Cell Max, while Cell Max took several hits to his weak spot and nearly got blown up by Gamma 2.
Orange Piccolo for some odd reason didn't aim at his weak spot, even though doing so would have given him a massive advantage. The fact still stands that he probably would have won if he actually decided to go for it considering a stronger Cell Max was staggered by taking hits to that weak spot by High 4Cs, but he didn't for some stupid reason. Also, no, he didn't "clap" Piccolo. I don't see why you keep insisting that Cell Max was just bullying him constantly. Piccolo wasn't winning, but he was still able to hold his own and get a lot of good hits.
4. Then why are Goku and Vegeta considered as strong as Orange Piccolo in their SSGSS forms on their page? That seems like a pretty big contradiction. Also, no, Goku and Vegeta have been Low 2C in their SSGSS forms since the Tournament of Power
5. Beerus's scaling comes from downscaling FROM Broly tho
6. Base Goku couldn't move when exposed to Sidra's tiny Hakai ball. Golden Frieza needed substantial amounts of effort just to compress it. Vegeta specifically needed to surround his fist in ki in order to not get injured, and against Toppo's final attack, he needed to output more power than Hakai could destroy with a suicide attack that is normally several times stronger than what he is normally (for reference, Majin Vegeta was considerably weaker than and could barely harm Fat Buu in the Buu Saga, yet his Final Explosion was capable of vaporizing Buu almost completely. That's a big difference). This is significant since Toppo is weaker than Vegeta to begin with, yet Vegeta NEEDED Final Explosion to defeat Toppo. The reason why I brought up Hakai at all is because it deals considerably more damage compared to any of Beerus's other attacks. I highly doubt Gohan could just tank it as easily as Beerus's other attacks, especially considering Beerus can spam them. He can just point at Gohan and trap him in Hakai energy, spam Hakai danmaku, protect himself from Gohan's attacks with Hakai aura, etc, etc.

 

[Rez]

Hakai only works on people weaker as stated by Whis and he probably gets blitzed before he can even use it

???

 

[Rez]

Gohan does not resists existence erasure so voting Beerus for hakai.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Beerus does not downscale from Broly

 

[Jiren's_Dad]

???

I was thinking of Hits ability but it doesn’t work on immortals which is stated but still Hakai has shown not to work on people above the power like Sidra Hakai or Toppo’s Hakai which Gohan should be able to bypass with his massive gap in power.

 

[Jiren's_Dad]

Gohan does not resists existence erasure so voting Beerus for hakai.

Even if he didn’t have resistance which Hakai already has shown to not always work especially on people stronger but Beerus still gets blitzed and loses

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

I shouldn't be reading this thread I haven't even Super hero yet lol

Anyway Gohan FRA

 

[Rez]

I was thinking of Hits ability but it doesn’t work on immortals which is stated but still Hakai has shown not to work on people above the power like Sidra Hakai or Toppo’s Hakai which Gohan should be able to bypass with his massive gap in power.

Hit's ability in anime doesn't have that stupid weakness.
And are you implying that base pre tip Goku and golden frieza are stronger than Sidra?

 

[Rez]

still gets blitzed and loses

Yeah this match probably should be speed equal but for now switching my vote to Gohan for this reason.

 

[Soulgizmo]

I would say incon until there's more showings for beast gohan and my brain refuses to believe anybody is quite on his level until another fight with him happens.

 

[Jiren's_Dad]

Hit's ability in anime doesn't have that stupid weakness.
And are you implying that base pre tip Goku and golden frieza are stronger than Sidra?

Nope I’m implying that Hakai isn’t as great as you make out to be if Gohan has a massive power difference then it means nothing similar to Vegeta Vs Toppo and Gohan just blitzes and ends the fight really quickly even with speed equal it’s just to much a power difference

 

[Rez]

Nope I’m implying that Hakai isn’t as great as you make out to be if Gohan has a massive power difference then it means nothing similar to Vegeta Vs Toppo

Strength has nothing to do with hakai as both pre top Goku and frieza who are considerably weaker than god of destructions can resist it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

They resisted a specifically-noted-to-be miniscule amount of it. Frieza got got by an amount that wasn't at all minuscule

 

[Rez]

They resisted a specifically-noted-to-be miniscule amount of it. Frieza got got by an amount that wasn't at all minuscule

Yeah and doesn't change the fact that's still a ee attack if you guys really wanna change how hakai is treated here just make a crt for it.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That should happen

 

[Aachintya31]

Voting for gohan because vsbw IS Based.

 

[Soulgizmo]

Jiren vs beerus would go just like this thread

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

1. What makes you think the same thing isn't going to happen again?

This isn't an argument. You need to show proof that it happened again.

2. I meant see above like see #1.

I made 2 other points that don't rely on toriyama's statement that you didn't respond to.

3. I don't see how that's inconsistent. Both of them took severe damage before they actually started brawling it out. Ultimate Piccolo took several hits from Cell Max plus his previous fights with the Gammas before going Orange against a weakened Cell Max, while Cell Max took several hits to his weak spot and nearly got blown up by Gamma 2.
Orange Piccolo for some odd reason didn't aim at his weak spot, even though doing so would have given him a massive advantage. The fact still stands that he probably would have won if he actually decided to go for it considering a stronger Cell Max was staggered by taking hits to that weak spot by High 4Cs, but he didn't for some stupid reason. Also, no, he didn't "clap" Piccolo. I don't see why you keep insisting that Cell Max was just bullying him constantly. Piccolo wasn't winning, but he was still able to hold his own and get a lot of good hits.

Anyway I rewatched the fight because I was going off memory and it turns out you're bullshitting.
First off all Orange piccolo wasn't weakened at all. He was perfectly fine with at most surface level wounds. Cell max was also not that weakened, the only damage he took was that fat gotenks strike to the weak point and losing his arm. Another thing is that ultimate piccolo did no damage whatsoever to cell max's weak point. Now to what actually happened.
In the first round, Cell max immediately put orange piccolo in a combo that left him heavily panting and on his knees before falling down a hole, so a 1 armed cell max is stronger than an ok orange piccolo. In the second round, cell max put piccolo in a combo that left him in a bloody mess, and piccolo landed only 1 strike that did surface level damage while 1 ki blast from cell tore piccolo's arm off. The characters said that piccolo was going to die and he was immediately defeated afterwards. Piccolo barely damaged cell max and cell did indeed clap piccolo.

4. Then why are Goku and Vegeta considered as strong as Orange Piccolo in their SSGSS forms on their page? That seems like a pretty big contradiction. Also, no, Goku and Vegeta have been Low 2C in their SSGSS forms since the Tournament of Power

What the hell? Why is that on their page? That puts the pages in contradiction and needs to be sorted out. SSB Goku can't scale to orange piccolo if the gammas scale off of him.

5. Beerus's scaling comes from downscaling FROM Broly tho

No, beerus' scaling comes from being able to destroy 2 universes with champa. All other characters scale to him such as broly with Goku's statement.

6. Base Goku couldn't move when exposed to Sidra's tiny Hakai ball. Golden Frieza needed substantial amounts of effort just to compress it. Vegeta specifically needed to surround his fist in ki in order to not get injured, and against Toppo's final attack, he needed to output more power than Hakai could destroy with a suicide attack that is normally several times stronger than what he is normally (for reference, Majin Vegeta was considerably weaker than and could barely harm Fat Buu in the Buu Saga, yet his Final Explosion was capable of vaporizing Buu almost completely. That's a big difference). This is significant since Toppo is weaker than Vegeta to begin with, yet Vegeta NEEDED Final Explosion to defeat Toppo. The reason why I brought up Hakai at all is because it deals considerably more damage compared to any of Beerus's other attacks. I highly doubt Gohan could just tank it as easily as Beerus's other attacks, especially considering Beerus can spam them. He can just point at Gohan and trap him in Hakai energy, spam Hakai danmaku, protect himself from Gohan's attacks with Hakai aura, etc, etc

Yeah exactly and the gap between gohan and beerus is so drastic that gohan can stone wall a hakai.

Its been accepted that they're that strong in their Super Saiyan Blue forms

No that's wrong. Who accepted that?

 

[luis3333]

Gohan Beast es >>> Cell Max, quien se dice que está por encima de LSSJ Broly cuando se completa. El problema es que Cell Max se lanzó prematuramente, por lo que no podemos saber con certeza qué tan fuerte sería en realidad si se hubiera completado.

Se dijo que LSSJ Broly era "probablemente más fuerte que Beerus", pero no estoy seguro de cuán confiable es la declaración, dado que Goku no conoce el alcance total del poder de Beerus.

Entonces, la escala probablemente sería:

Gohan Beast >>> Cell Max (Incompleto) >> Orange Piccolo >> Gammas ~ SSB Goku

Si tomamos la declaración con Broly al pie de la letra, entonces él puede estar por encima de Beerus, pero no estoy seguro.

broly is confirmed as stronger jiren who declared stronger gods apart goku can feel ki so he obviously knows how strong berrus is

 

[Vizer04]

I'll message staff to ask them if Hakai can be resisted with higher AP.

That seems to be the main issue with this thread since many of you have voted Gohan, thinking that he can resist EE even though he doesn't have that resistance on his profile.

 

[Aachintya31]

I'll message staff to ask them if Hakai can be resisted with higher AP.

That seems to be the main issue with this thread since many of you have voted Gohan, thinking that he can resist EE even though he doesn't have that resistance on his profile.

DB characters have won many matches with their EE against other verse characters despite lower AP.

 

[Nierre]

yuh a crt should be made about that.

I'd think it would be an AP thing, because it's very odd to me how those specific characters just resist EE without AP being involved.

 

[Soulgizmo]

Destruction energy still functions just like other ki. Regular ki, God ki, and hakai energy are all still linked by that db logic of needing a certain powerlevel to fight against it.
God ki while it is godly can still be fought against with regular ki. Ssbe vegeta used his God ki to counter toppos hakai energy for example. Just like how golden frieza with his regular ki was able to survive hakai energy.
If gohans regular ki is greater than beerus' godly ki his hakai won't work on him.

This kinda reminds me of how db characters all get the scaling from ssj3 gotenks being able to open portals just by screaming. Every high tier db character should get resistance to ee.

 

[Kin201]

In DB, raw power negs hakai yeah. You can argue that is a verse mechanism and does not apply to characters outside of the verse.