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False alarm the calc group members reached a conclusion, so we have to stay as City level+ instead, as the wiki uses joules per second instead of joules multiplied by how many seconds the feat lasted.
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Godzilla Boogaloo!
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False alarm the calc group members reached a conclusion, so we have to stay as City level+ instead, as the wiki uses joules per second instead of joules multiplied by how many seconds the feat lasted.
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Fun Fact: The ORIGINAL drafts for my Heisei Formula all put SpaceGodzilla & Post-Runaway Cosmic Energy Absorption Godzilla solidly in Tier 4, but due to the fact that I have to assume a lot of things to get there, it had to get cut.SHOWA ERA UPGRADE
Godzilla Original's Vapor Breath should be upgraded to City level+ due to this accepted calc
Original Godzilla's Vapor Breath... Remastered!
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And so the character that scale to him should be upgraded to City level+ aka Showa Godzilla, Anguirus, Mothra, King Kong, Oodako
HEISEI ERA UPGRADE
A friend of mine called SebastianHayward made this blog explaining the multipliers in the Heisei era, therefore the kaiju will be upgraded accordingly these multipliers.
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Mothra Diverts A Meteor: 1.11981875E+33 Joules, or 267.643104684512428298279 (~268) Zettatons of TNT (5-B, Planet Level)
Godzilla Takes On Mothra & Battra: 2.2396375E+33 Joules, or 535.2862093690248565965583174 (~535.3) Zettatons of TNT (5-B, Planet Level)
Nuclear heat and fire burns at temperatures that rival the surface of the sun. Mechagodzilla has a special shield design to absorb, and fire back the Heat Beam at a factor of 10,000 times more power powerful. Godzilla tanks multiple hits of Mechagodzilla's Plasma Grenade, and even melted the synthetic diomand shield with a few blasts of his Uranium Heat Ray.
- Diamond Coating: Mechagodzilla is protected by an armor plating made from an alloy called NT-1, which is covered in an artificial Diamond Coating, the same coating used for the Super X2's Fire Mirror. This Diamond Coating renders Godzilla and Fire Rodan's heat beams completely harmless, and also allows Mechagodzilla to absorb energy from the beams to power its Plasma Grenade. However, extremely high temperatures like those emitted by Godzilla's nuclear pulse after absorbing Fire Rodan's energy, can cause the Diamond Coating to melt, disabling the Plasma Grenade and leaving Mechagodzilla vulnerable to Godzilla's Uranium Heat Ray. However, Mechagodzilla's armor allowed it to take repeated hits from this beam, which reached a temperature of 1.2 million degrees Celsius, before it was finally knocked out of commission.
- Plasma Grenade: Mechagodzilla absorbs Godzilla's atomic breath with the Diamond Coating on its armor and converts it into plasma energy, which is stored and amplified in a port in Mechagodzilla's abdomen before being fired back at a target with even greater force. Because the Plasma Grenade generates a tremendous amount of heat, it cannot be fired continuously and must be treated with an extremely strong coolant. If Mechagodzilla's Diamond Coating melts, it will be unable to absorb plasma from enemy attacks and use the Plasma Grenade. The Plasma Grenade is tremendously powerful, capable of knocking Godzilla down or mortally wounding Fire Rodan in a single burst.
NT-1 Armor
Super Mechagodzilla and Garuda are made of a special NT-1 armor from the 23rd Century that is heatproof to nuclear temperatures. This armor also absorbs the energy of radiation and heat to power the plasma grenade weapon.
Mechagodzilla's Diamond Coating harmlessly absorbs Godzilla's atomic breath
Plasma Grenade
Plasma grenade drops Rodan. Second shot near mortally wounded Rodan.
Plasma grenade drops Godzilla with one shot.
MechaGodzilla's Plasma Grenade2: 8.95855E+38 Joules, or 214.11448374760994263862332696 (~214.1) Ninatons of TNT (High 5-A, Dwarf Star Level)
As explained here MOGUERA's laser cannons are at least 6 times stronger than Super Mechagodzilla ones
Godzilla translations blog
SpaceGodzilla is stronger than MOGUERA..
Burning Godzilla is stronger than his past self that fought SpaceGodzilla and even grow stronger at the end of the movie.
Godzilla should also have Reactive Power level due to increasing his power in the middle of the fights.
Thoughts?
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Also, if my Formula is going to get cut down to the bone, it’s going to get cut down to the bone PROPERLY, for there’s some minor little changes I forgot to make, and as soon as I make them, I’ll report back!
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Doneso!
This can be closed now..
This can be closed now..
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Requested to be reopened
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Sounds better, yeah. I can run with that.
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Ok I'll make the updates then
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Doneso!
This can be closed now..
This can be closed now..
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Okay, so the 10,000x multiplier (which I'm just going to call the "Fire Mirror Multiplier," because come on) is, I'll admit, EASILY the highest multiplier out of any of the ones stated in the guides/films. But despite this, it's been explicitly stated in the films that the Super X2's Fire Mirror can reflect an attack back with 10,000x the potency:
These scientists may not know they're not doing shit to Godzilla, but we can take their word for it! Nothing implies the Fire Mirror Multiplier can't be used with Fire Rodan's doubled power! Plus, Base 1 HeiseiGoji survived MULTIPLE near-point-blank reflections of his Atomic Breath by the Fire Mirror, so if Base 1 can do it, then no way in hell can Base 2 not do it! Still don't believe me? Well, here goes...
(Inhales a seemingly impossible amount of air)
Since MechaGodzilla absorbs energy attacks via the synthetic diamond coating, he can amplify the potency of the beam, reflecting it back with 10,000x more force as well. This would be suportive of the fact that Godzilla was able to withstand a 10-second beam lock with his AB and Mecha-G's Mega Buster without flinching, but was knocked on his ass by the Plasma Grenade.
And yet, even if we didn't use the Fire Mirror Multiplier, it wouldn't matter a damn, because SpaceGodzilla is FAR stronger than M.O.G.U.E.R.A. and Post-Fire Rodan Energy Donation Godzilla, who was able to simply blast Super MechaGodzilla into a melted pile of scrap.
Also, last-minute thought that was cut for some reason, but SpaceGodzilla tanked 3 Burn Spiral/Nuclear Fusion Heat Ray (the beam Godzilla aquired upon absorbing Runaway Cosmic Energy from Space-G's destroyed shoulder crystals) blasts before finally dying. Now, I know you normally wouldn't accept this as a durability feat, but I've watched the scene MANY times, and all 3 blasts last 1 second, in addition to being mere MILLISECONDS apart from each other. Thus, I believe SpaceGodzilla's durability is 3x his attack potency.
That is all I've got to say, since everything else I had in my Formula was cut from the final draft.
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Yeah Godzilla survived the 10,000x multiplier in Biollante's film.Okay, so the 10,000x multiplier (which I'm just going to call the "Fire Mirror Multiplier," because come on) is, I'll admit, EASILY the highest multiplier out of any of the ones stated in the guides/films. But despite this, it's been explicitly stated in the films that the Super X2's Fire Mirror can reflect an attack back with 10,000x the potency:
These scientists may not know they're not doing shit to Godzilla, but we can take their word for it! Nothing implies the Fire Mirror Multiplier can't be used with Fire Rodan's doubled power! Plus, Base 1 HeiseiGoji survived MULTIPLE near-point-blank reflections of his Atomic Breath by the Fire Mirror, so if Base 1 can do it, then no way in hell can Base 2 not do it! Still don't believe me? Well, here goes...
(Inhales a seemingly impossible amount of air)
Since MechaGodzilla absorbs energy attacks via the synthetic diamond coating, he can amplify the potency of the beam, reflecting it back with 10,000x more force as well. This would be suportive of the fact that Godzilla was able to withstand a 10-second beam lock with his AB and Mecha-G's Mega Buster without flinching, but was knocked on his ass by the Plasma Grenade.
And yet, even if we didn't use the Fire Mirror Multiplier, it wouldn't matter a damn, because SpaceGodzilla is FAR stronger than M.O.G.U.E.R.A. and Post-Fire Rodan Energy Donation Godzilla, who was able to simply blast Super MechaGodzilla into a melted pile of scrap.
Also, last-minute thought that was cut for some reason, but SpaceGodzilla tanked 3 Burn Spiral/Nuclear Fusion Heat Ray (the beam Godzilla aquired upon absorbing Runaway Cosmic Energy from Space-G's destroyed shoulder crystals) blasts before finally dying. Now, I know you normally wouldn't accept this as a durability feat, but I've watched the scene MANY times, and all 3 blasts last 1 second, in addition to being mere MILLISECONDS apart from each other. Thus, I believe SpaceGodzilla's durability is 3x his attack potency.
That is all I've got to say, since everything else I had in my Formula was cut from the final draft.
He should have Reactive Power level in any case..
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If it's blatantly stated, then it should be fine.
I'm getting kind of tired having to run back here for this flip-flopping point.
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Doneso!...This can FINALLY be closed now!
If someone wants to continue this make another thread! >:v
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That meteor calc is still incredibly suspect. Its the same issue as with Omni-Man's texas meteor. Its off screen and there's zero indication Mothra fragmented or dead stopped the meteor.
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From the words of the Cosmos the meteorite was a planet-buster one and Mothra will divert it when in range.
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Yes. Divert it over an unknown period of time with an unknown amount of effort. The same thing happened with Omni-Man. The showing is offscreen and nothing indicates Mothra did something that 100% scales to the meteor's KE.
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She would’ve had to 100% scale, or else that thing wouldn’t be diverted.
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Battra was gonna destroy it though and was implied in one shot.
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What do you mean? Its space. She just needs the lifting strength and ability to move forward in a vacuum. Given enough time you can divert it without needing to scale to its KE. The only way you would scale is if Mothra dead stopped it in one second, which there's no proof of.
Destroying the meteor also doesn't have you scale to its KE, you just need to overcome its binding energy. To fully scale Battra would need to completely cancel the momentum, when there isn't any evidence of either.
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The meteorite is 3/5 the size of Earth at minimum, how much force will generate Battra from that?
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Also the calc itself is a high ball figure
It assumes the meteor has the mass and size of a rogue planet. Rather than just go with baseline planetary. Plus the third part of that calc even includes what I stated
It looks like we're just picking the highest possible version of the feat for no reason.
The meteor is big enough to destroy the Earth. It being a Rogue Planet has no backing.
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Due to your words I asume you're gonna recalculate the feat?
The calc was accepted time ago, we're simply using what was accepted.
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Sure.
- KE = Earth' GBE
- KE = 2.49 * 10^32
- 2.49 * 10^32= 0.5 * M * V^2
- 2.49 * 10^32= 0.5 * M * 25,000^2
- 2.49 * 10^32= 0.5 * M * 625,000,000
- 2.49 * 10^32= M * 312,500,000
- 2.49 * 10^32 / 321,500,000 = M * 312,500,000 / 312,500,000
- 774,494,556,765,163,297,045,101 kg = M
Sure, I understand. But I think the current usage of the calc is flawed. Since not only does it have multiple ends, it gives a vastly higher number and also states outright to not use the higher number because it doesn't make any sense.
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Wow! you're really fast....Should I put this into a blog?
Soo which end should we use?
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I guess you can.
Going by the calc blog either 1.3E+24 Joules or 5.8E+25 Joules. If people are desperate for the 5-B rating it would be downscaling SpaceGodzilla's 5-B statement and dividing it by 6 Nappa style for everyone else.
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Both Ends are to low...
Godzilla has already 5-B statements in Godzilla vs. Mothra film...
Planet level (According to official guides, Godzilla is powerful enough to be capable of destroying Earth during the Godzilla V Mothra 1993 film events and also Toho declared that in a possible battle between Godzilla and Utsuno Ikusagami both will be equal to each other, the latter can destroy entire planets with his Sun Bolts.
There is also the info in this blog... https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...dzilla_vs._Mothra_(1993)_Dialogue_Translation
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Not really. Even the 5-B meteor end isn't actually 5-B without evidence that Mothra instantly stopped it.
That is a the back box of a toy. A book would not have a choking hazard warning on it.
Destroy doesn't always have to mean blow up in the same capacity that a nuclear world would destroy a planet without physically destroying a planet.
That's acceptable I guess.
Though even then baseline 5-B means that the math needs to be adjusted to account for it being much lower.
Where are you getting this 400,000x multiplier from?
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Soo should we use baseline 5-B?
As Godzilla took on both Battra and Mothra the result is:
59.44+59.44= 118.88 Zettatons
Is not 400,000x is 10,000x, you have to read the OP to understand.... although if we're gonna use just baseline planet level as a base the result after using the 10,000x multiplier will be lowered too
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We don't upscale AP like that, especially for a durability feat. Godzilla would just be above baseline for withstanding their attacks.
I know, I'm asking how you got the plasma grenade to 400,000x MJothra and Battra. The reflector still leaves a 40x multiplier and where does it come from?
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No, not 40x. It’s 4x, because the Plasma Grenade’s beam lasted 4 seconds.
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I could explain the entire damn Formula, if need be.
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Sure. Because I'm not seeing how you get a number 800,000x of the meteor at the moment.
Grenade / 10,000 / Mothra x2 = 40 as a remainder
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I think we should focus on the new value.
59.44 x 10000 = 594.4 Yottatons aka Large Planet level
Multiplied by Fire Rodan 2x multiplier the result is 1188.8 Yottatons
Multiplied by MOGUERA's 6x the result is 7132.8 Yottatons, which is still Large Planet level
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Yeah that's fine. Though you should probably make a section for the Heisei page explaining the scaling so we don't get weird recursive X2 scaling.
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In the blog? Ok I'll...
Also I think that the Lifting Strength of the Kaiju should be downgraded to Class Z given your new calc. Since Mothra can divert the meteorite... it should still scale to her.
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It literally needs to be at least 60% of the Earth’s mass to destroy the planet. That’s what studies have shown. Which it would’ve done if Mothra didn’t stop it.
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I just provided an alternative figure. The 60% mass thing only applies if it was going at standard reentry speed. If the object was 99% lightspeed it would only need to be a handful of miles large to blow up the Earth as an example.
The energy at the end is all we need to know, it's only baseline planet busting. It can't be higher. The reason it is on the blog is thst the calc maker inflated the speed without reducing mass to account for it.
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