Giorno's Durability Upgrade

[Cloozuma]

Diavolo is a Type 2 Acausal. This is because Epitaph predicts and King Crimson erases what effects would happen to Diavolo and what actions will happen to him. Although he still exists in the past....

Giorno's Durability is Wall Level. This guy literally tanked Bucciarati's punch. Although while he did lie about Cioccolata winning, those injuries that he took aren't a joke.

GER can levitate. It's there in the manga.

 

[Eficiente]

You word badly the first one, it would be that Diavolo gets that within Erased Time, and no he doesn't he still exists in the past, present and future, the time/cause (as in cause and effect) of everyone else is gone but Diavolo himself has nothing removed. Even if Diavolo had all his time from all his past and all his future removed that would still be just one concept, he would still be physically there with the rest of other concepts and not gain that power. Idk what makes you think that "he still exists in the past...." but even if you were right up to that point then he should not have the power. Or you would need to make a CRT asking the Acausality page to point out how you can exist in the past and still get the power.

No proof.

"All previous abilities" covers that.

 

[Thelastmlg]

That's not acausality, you have to exist only in the present all the times, this is something that's part of your existence, not a 10 secs long ability

Diavolo still exists in the past and future, only the present is erased and a small portion of the future, that's just causality manipulation, and diavolo ain't affected by it, that's whole deal with his time skip, people wih time stop don't get infinite speed or resistance to it via moving around.

Agree on the durability, but need scans.

GE already has flight, and GER is noted to have all it's previous abilities.

 

[Eficiente]

This thread has nothing to do with Acausality and Durability, only those things over characters, please remove those tags.

 

[Cloozuma]

That's not acausality, you have to exist only in the present all the times, this is something that's part of your existence, not a 10 secs long ability

Diavolo still exists in the past and future, only the present is erased and a small portion of the future, that's just causality manipulation, and diavolo ain't affected by it, that's whole deal with his time skip, people wih time stop don't get infinite speed or resistance to it via moving around.

Agree on the durability, but need scans.

GE already has flight, and GER is noted to have all it's previous abilities.

Here's proof for Durability:

Keep in mind that Bucciarati has Wall Level on his AP.

 

[Cloozuma]

I'm taking back Diavolo's Acausality and GER's Levitation, it makes sense now.

 

[Eficiente]

That was interrogation/torture. It shouldn't scale.

 

[DTG499]

So we are assuming he was holding back when nothing of the sort was mentioned and that punch clearly had force put into it. The difference between a 10-A and 9-B is over 150 fold. Bruno would have killed Giorno with a flick.

 

[Thelastmlg]

In bruno's eyes he was interrogating a young average human.

"Some force into it" bruno didn't even move his face, you can clearly see he was being casual before and after it.

 

[Cloozuma]

How about the injuries he got from Cioccolata? Those damaged bones and organs aren't a joke. Speaking of damage, you could see that Giorno was unscathed from the punch. I don't know why Torture doesn't scale. A punch is still a punch, after all.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Because punchs can be held back, especially in fiction.

Let's scans of the cioccolatta fight so we can determinate it, but i'm pretty sure suffering broken snd bones snd the such is already a bad sign.

 

[Cloozuma]

I'm pretty sure Bucciarati actually wanted to kill Giorno. Heck, even Giorno quoted that he must be prepared to be disposed by the person he's suppose to dispose of.

 

[Cloozuma]

@Thelastmlg
Here's the scans for Giorno's injuries. Most of his injuries are either caused by Cioccolata and Green Day.
https://www.***********.net/jojos-bizarre-adventure-part-5-vento-aureo/14/84
I can't post pics here at some point.

 

[DTG499]

In bruno's eyes he was interrogating a young average human.

"Some force into it" bruno didn't even move his face, you can clearly see he was being casual before and after it.

His face is not relevant to when we take into account how the punch was draw. And brother people can have an expression like that and still punch hard if you ever sparred with someone you would know that.

 

[Thelastmlg]

How the punch is draw is irrelevant because you can throw punchs like that while holding back, in fiction you can literally ragdoll people around while holding back, his face just tells us he is casual, alongside the fact that he is intereogating someone, not trying to kill them.

Brother star platinum does faces like and angry ones against humans and weaker stands and they don't get donuted.

 

[DTG499]

How the punch is draw is irrelevant because you can throw punchs like that while holding back, in fiction you can literally ragdoll people around while holding back, his face just tells us he is casual, alongside the fact that he is intereogating someone, not trying to kill them.

Brother star platinum does faces like and angry ones against humans and weaker stands and they don't get donuted.

Other works of fiction showing characters holding back with there punches is completely irrelevant. Rag dolling people while holding back doesn’t matter either because it only takes a 9-B force to rag doll a 200 pound object. It’s a case by case basis the only reason we know the other cases are holding back is because it was stated. It was not stated that Bruno was holding back nor was it implied nor does it even look like it.

 

[Thelastmlg]

casual face
interrogation with a normal looking 16 year old
literally smiling while looking at to the citizens around him.

We call that casual, when it is clear that he did no effort at all, you don't throw full power punchs at people you are interrogating or else they'll get knocked out or too dizzy to talk.

It is relevant because jojo has follow those rules before, unless you wanna say that the random thugs jotaro beat are 9-B, or the guys that beat jotaro up for stealing were 8-C.

 

[DTG499]

We call that casual, when it is clear that he did no effort at all, you don't throw full power punchs at people you are interrogating or else they'll get knocked out or too dizzy to talk.

It is relevant because jojo has follow those rules before, unless you wanna say that the random thugs jotaro beat are 9-B, or the guys that beat jotaro up for stealing were 8-C.

Casual face means absolutely nothing I’ve seen guys with an “honest to god” smile on his face knock a guy out. Don’t forget we are talking about holding back by a factor of 150 fold. AND jotaro always has a casual face on.

Again case by case basis. And in that case jojo’s stand powers didn’t awaken yet, so he would be a 10-A before his stand powers awakened. During that fight with them his stand powers awakened that’s why he almost killed them. If he was holding back the at time his stand powers awakening wouldn’t have made a difference.

Bruno scales to girono because they are both stand users.

 

[Cloozuma]

Torture and holding back punches are 2 different things fyi. If Bruno was really holding back then it would be Street Level for Gio.

 

[Cloozuma]

Also I forgot that Gio took 2 punches, not just one.

 

[Thelastmlg]

He literally used GE against koichi.

Again, proof that he was serious? Because if we have proof for him being casual (for exmaple a CASUAL face) then we lean towards one side.

The factor that they are holding back is irrelevant, even in jojo they can hold back even more than that.

Also jotaro'a face was irrelevant because he got harmed by 3 normal humans despite his building level durability, that's a gap 10000x between 8-C and 10-B/10-A.

this isn't about bruno scaling, is about giornon scaling to bruno.

If this is all evidence, i'm still disagreeing on it.

 

[DTG499]

Casual face is not proof and it means nothing.

 

[Cloozuma]

@Thelastmlg
You can hold back punches, but I doubt you can hold back your durability. I'm pretty sure those thugs would be building level, cause, that reason.
And you're basically wrong at saying they held back cause WoG literally wrote that both of them are going to dispose each other, implying that they're serious. Also Bruno also used SF to punch Giorno btw. GIORNO, not Gold Experience.

 

[Cloozuma]

@Thelastmlg
Here's Proof for Giorno tanking Bucciarati's punch and Sticky Fingers appearing.

 

[Cloozuma]

@Chariot190 what do you think about this?

 

[Armorchompy]

You're not notifying them this way, only staff can. You should DM them.

 

[Cloozuma]

Whoops sorry.

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Thelastmlg]

Casual face is not proof and it means nothing.

It is and if that's all you have to say you disproved nothing.

 

[Thelastmlg]

if WOG said they both wanted to kill each other, even if it contradicts giorno's intentions, that's fine.

Sticky fingers appearing is irrelevant because he used his ability, he didn't use the stand to damage him.

 

[Cloozuma]

@Thelastmlg
But the punch definitely wasn't held back. Even if the Stand appearing was irrelevant it was Bucciarati punching at full power, not to mention he had a casual face.

 

[Cloozuma]

Speaking of ability, Gio should have Wall Level as his AP, guy literally punched Bucciarati.

 

[Cloozuma]

Bump

 

[Thelastmlg]

The stand appearing means giorno wasn't punched, the zipper ability doesn't damage the objects punched.

 

[DTG499]

It is and if that's all you have to say you disproved nothing.

I agree I haven’t disproved anything because you haven’t proved anything.

 

[Cloozuma]

The stand appearing means giorno wasn't punched, the zipper ability doesn't damage the objects punched.

The ability doesn't damage but the force of the punch before the ability appeared does. Either way, if you don't agree with this I'll still add more evidence in adding Gio's durability.

 

[Cloozuma]

Giorno should be comparable to Bruno and Mista via Durability.