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Yeah, sorry to disappoint but there's a weird hax-strength dynamic in vs debating.
A TL;DR of this match is

Mew can't do anything because GER literally warps time the remove the effect's of Mew's actions

and

Giorno can't hurt Mew because Mythical Pokemon durability lol
 
Yeah, sorry to disappoint but there's a weird hax-strength dynamic in vs debating.
A TL;DR of this match is

Mew can't do anything because GER literally warps time the remove the effect's of Mew's actions

and

Giorno can't hurt Mew because Mythical Pokemon durability lol
Speed is equalized tho. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the causality thing work when you try to attack him?

What stops Mew from transforming into him and power nulling him with Imprison
 
Incon. Immortality type 1 is literally u need to incon giorno, along with higher stats. Giorno can’t harm mew, nor age manip, so he just sits there forever Till he dies of age. If he even can with gers ability to restore body parts and give life energy.
 
probably not, at least its not gonna be useful
Yup, I made this match with that in mind. If that doesn't work then it's incon then

The only win con for Mew would be that he transforms into GER and power null with Imprison.
 
No, as rtz is passive so mew can’t do anything
Not really passive if the page explaining the powers is anything to go by. Considering whatever you do will still happen, but then the stand will revert it to where it didn't happen. So first condition, whatever you do will happen.

But alright

How ould EE work against both Giorno and the stand. Say, Hakai where a single hand gesture erases both of them from existence
 
Not really passive if the page explaining the powers is anything to go by. Considering whatever you do will still happen, but then the stand will revert it to where it didn't happen. So first condition, whatever you do will happen.

But alright

How ould EE work against both Giorno and the stand. Say, Hakai where a single hand gesture erases both of them from existence
It wouldn’t work since speed is equalized and rtz has infinite speed
 
It wouldn’t work since speed is equalized and rtz has infinite speed
Giorno and GER would be erased completely before the reversal takes place remember? The full effect takes place, then afterwards gets reverse but then there's no GER and Giorno anymore

I'm just going off how it works on the page. Someone actually pointed out the EE scenario in the comment section. Instant Hakai for example
 
Giorno and GER would be erased completely before the reversal takes place remember? The full effect takes place, then afterwards gets reverse but then there's no GER and Giorno anymore

I'm just going off how it works on the page. Someone actually pointed out the EE scenario in the comment section. Instant Hakai for example
Infinite speed>instant attacks
 
Gers Mindset is to protect giorno at all costs, so it’s gonna be spamming that whenever it can, and it would only let up to flex on you if it specifically doesn’t like you.
Hmm, sure

Why did GER lose to Touma due to power null. I thought he'd be able to revert casue and effect
 
Hmm, sure

Why did GER lose to Touma due to power null. I thought he'd be able to revert casue and effect
Touma's Imagine Breaker's power null always passively protects him and has defended against High 1-C Reality Warping that is infinitely more potent than GER's RTZ, he also has specific reactions that make him able to defend and react to things like stands automatically despite the fact that they are invisible to him - plus, they were very close to each other, like a few meters, so Touma had that advantage as well.
 
Touma's Imagine Breaker's power null always passively protects him and has defended against High 1-C Reality Warping that is infinitely more potent than GER's RTZ, he also has specific reactions that make him able to defend and react to things like stands automatically despite the fact that they are invisible to him - plus, they were very close to each other, like a few meters, so Touma had that advantage as well.
So what potency of power null is needed to null GER. It has never nulled power null IIRC
 
Touma's Imagine Breaker's power null always passively protects him and has defended against High 1-C Reality Warping that is infinitely more potent than GER's RTZ, he also has specific reactions that make him able to defend and react to things like stands automatically despite the fact that they are invisible to him - plus, they were very close to each other, like a few meters, so Touma had that advantage as well.
What about the GER upgrade during eyes of heaven in JOJO?
 
So what potency of power null is needed to null GER. It has never nulled power null IIRC
Being present for the finale of a single part and never mentioned or shown again does that to you. In all honestly, the power null doesn't have to be that potent in the scale of imagine breaker, it just needs to be automatic and/or always active to deal with GER's passive RTZ, you can't use your power null if you're returned to to the state you were in before you used it.

What about the GER upgrade during eyes of heaven in JOJO?
That probably wouldn't mean much as again... Touma had the advantage of being close to Giorno w/ GER and the fact that Imagine Breaker was flat-out strong enough to power null GER entirely without giving a single damn to GER's RTZ due to its power nulling feats. In this case with Mew, it doesn't have the power null feats that provide proof that it can deal with RTZ, and if it did, this would be a stomp match since GER is much weaker in terms of durability and attack potency so it can't hurt Mew in the slightest nor put Mew in a death loop since I am pretty sure that GER needs to kill somebody to put them in a death loop.
 
Being present for the finale of a single part and never mentioned or shown again does that to you. In all honestly, the power null doesn't have to be that potent in the scale of imagine breaker, it just needs to be automatic and/or always active to deal with GER's passive RTZ, you can't use your power null if you're returned to to the state you were in before you used it.


That probably wouldn't mean much as again... Touma had the advantage of being close to Giorno w/ GER and the fact that Imagine Breaker was flat-out strong enough to power null GER entirely without giving a single damn to GER's RTZ due to its power nulling feats. In this case with Mew, it doesn't have the power null feats that provide proof that it can deal with RTZ, and if it did, this would be a stomp match since GER is much weaker in terms of durability and attack potency so it can't hurt Mew in the slightest nor put Mew in a death loop since I am pretty sure that GER needs to kill somebody to put them in a death loop.
Tbh I don't see how GER reverts any kind of passive power null.

If GER is power nulled from using its ability then it's just that, he can't use it.

Definitely has no feats of reverting power null.
 
Tbh I don't see how GER reverts any kind of passive power null.

If GER is power nulled from using its ability then it's just that, he can't use it.

Definitely has no feats of reverting power null.
Ignoring the fact it's stated to be able to nullify any power within the JoJo cosmology, up to Nut King Call, given that's when the guide came out, and there was enough examples of power nullification within JoJo up to that point to safely toss it under the umbrella of shit he can say no to. Because don't forget, RTZ is the ultimate Stand ability.

It wouldn't matter, can't power null if you can't even get past the first step needed to do so, given Mew needs to do a chain combo here. Mew needs to transform, if Mew can't even transform it sure as hell ain't getting an Imprisoned off.

Also false, the thing you do doesn't happen (well depends, if it's bad though it wont) it gets stopped the infinitesimal moment before it would've happened, putting you back before things played out, if it's something detrimental to Gio, you don't get to do it. Taking something more straightforward like a punch, you can try to throw a punch and you might even get to move your arm, but it will never connect. You can toss it but the moment it would do anything bad to him like connecting, RTZ kicks in and says no u.

Doesn't need feats if we're told "yeah literally no power in JoJo up to this point can get past RTZ and RTZ can nullify them all", hell GER itself even alludes to that in the like 3 chapters he's in when he says nobody, no matter what power they might yield, can stand before him, basic exposition hype. Of course, that has the danger of entering NLF, so it's best to be cautious, but we can safely say it applies to all powers within JoJo up to early Part 8 given it's the same verse and it's been reiterated since.
 
Tbh I don't see how GER reverts any kind of passive power null.

If GER is power nulled from using its ability then it's just that, he can't use it.

Definitely has no feats of reverting power null.
It doesn't need them, gimmick is stopping the enemy from ever activating their gimmick. Someone about to shoot Giorno, GER less about nulifying the bullet once it's fired and more about not letting moment when trigger would be pulled ever happen. Someone about to power null GER, GER never lets the moment when they'd use it come unless passive power. Now if it's about reasonable stand limits, Chariot explained them best.
 
Ignoring the fact it's stated to be able to nullify any power within the JoJo cosmology, up to Nut King Call, given that's when the guide came out, and there was enough examples of power nullification within JoJo up to that point to safely toss it under the umbrella of shit he can say no to. Because don't forget, RTZ is the ultimate Stand ability.

It wouldn't matter, can't power null if you can't even get past the first step needed to do so, given Mew needs to do a chain combo here. Mew needs to transform, if Mew can't even transform it sure as hell ain't getting an Imprisoned off.

Also false, the thing you do doesn't happen (well depends, if it's bad though it wont) it gets stopped the infinitesimal moment before it would've happened, putting you back before things played out, if it's something detrimental to Gio, you don't get to do it. Taking something more straightforward like a punch, you can try to throw a punch and you might even get to move your arm, but it will never connect. You can toss it but the moment it would do anything bad to him like connecting, RTZ kicks in and says no u.

Doesn't need feats if we're told "yeah literally no power in JoJo up to this point can get past RTZ and RTZ can nullify them all", hell GER itself even alludes to that in the like 3 chapters he's in when he says nobody, no matter what power they might yield, can stand before him, basic exposition hype. Of course, that has the danger of entering NLF, so it's best to be cautious, but we can safely say it applies to all powers within JoJo up to early Part 8 given it's the same verse and it's been reiterated since.

You've still not made your point as to how he reverts passive power null. Active before the fight even starts, active during the fight

Which is why he lost badly to Touma and he'd lose again to other passive power null users
 
It doesn't need them, gimmick is stopping the enemy from ever activating their gimmick. Someone about to shoot Giorno, GER less about nulifying the bullet once it's fired and more about not letting moment when trigger would be pulled ever happen. Someone about to power null GER, GER never lets the moment when they'd use it come unless passive power. Now if it's about reasonable stand limits, Chariot explained them best.
And passive power null is more like your ability not doing what it's supposed to do at all.
 
You've still not made your point as to how he reverts passive power null. Active before the fight even starts, active during the fight

Which is why he lost badly to Touma and he'd lose again to other passive power null users

Who the **** gives a damn about Touma? This is Mew Vs. Gio, stop derailing.
 
And passive power null is more like your ability not doing what it's supposed to do at all.
I know. The idea you gave is "GER doesn't beat any passive power null regardless of potency". The counter to it is that GER can logically deny any Jojoverse ability up to a certain part. That includes four dimensional abilities. Think it'd take some voodoo of higher degree than that to affect it, otherwise GER would just keep resetting the passive power null user, unaffected, never letting them harm Giorno.
 
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