Ghost Rider vs Jasper

[WeeklyBattles]

So partially resistant to those forms of attacks.

Johnny has used his soul/mind attacks on people who have high resistance to those forms of attacks.

Nope, fully, youd need to prove that he can soulhax soulless beings to be able to argue that he could use soul manip on them

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Ghost Rider still wins. He can trap Jasper in a pocket dimension, summon dozens of other Ghost Riders to overwhelm Jasper, transmutate Jasper, possess Jasper, etc.

 

[CrackNet]

He can't posses her,transmutation is useless,Jasper has a pocket dimension inside her gem as well

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, Jasper is kind of screwed here. She can't bypass his immortality or Regen, and all of her ways of incapacitation are out of character.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He can transmute information? And possess inanimate objects?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Isnt Ghost Rider baseline? Whats stopping this from being incon via Jasper just repeatedly oneshotting him?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

The fact that he can apparently trap shit in a pocket dimension, according to a previous comment.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How does he do it?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I don't know, ask however said that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The method in which he actually uts them in the pocket dimension kinda matters a lot here, if it requires him to physically place them there it aint gonna work

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Johnny does not need to physically put them in there. Given on how it looks in the panel, it's thought based.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Post the scan?

 

[Wokistan]

Another thing is the fact that the pennance stare's at least planetary, if not higher. I can grab the scan for that too if you want but the whole focusing thing shouldn't be an issue

I seriously doubt you need a physical brain to get Stared at.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Does the stare work on robots tho?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Closest thing I could find. It appears Johnny has to be close to someone, or in physical contact.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Closest thing I could find. It appears Johnny has to be close to someone, or in physical contact.

So in other words it wouldnt be viable against Jasper

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Also, looking at the Gem Physiology page, only the physical bodies resist Soul/Mind Manipulation, while their gems are still vulnerable to it. All Johnny has to do is reduce Jasper to her gem, and use any of his soul/mind attacks.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

No, the page doesn't say that; where did you get that from?

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

Yes, it does. This is a direct quote from the page "Gem physiology also allow for a number of abilities to be partially resisted, usually in the form of physical bodies being immune but not their gemstones are not."

Also realize how it says "physical bodies" for basically every resistance. All you have to do is read.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Key word being 'usually'

Gems done have a full resistance to soul manip because there are verses that exist that have soul manip that works on soulless beings, so it had to be worded as such to prevent NLF

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

They're in partial because:

• Mind: There are characters who can mind control beings with no brain. Examples include Rohan Kishibe who does it with information hax, or Randall Flagg who canonically can control robots.
• Soul: There might be verses in which you don't need to be an organic being to have a soul, and therefore, machines and AI can be soul haxed, since there is no rule for how "souls" work, so each verse can be different when it comes to this.

They have nothing to do with it being the body or the Gem.

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

It says their "physical bodies" right before explaining their resistances. The "usually" only applies for one of those resistances.

I mean, it's simple logic that anybody can understand.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Unoriginal Read what Paulo said because its 100% true

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Or if you'd like i can reword it

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

If it applied to both the gem and the physical bodies, than the explanation wouldn't start with "Because their physcal bodies don't have".

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It doesnt

I will fix it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Fixed

 

[Wokistan]

Key word being 'usually'
Gems done have a full resistance to soul manip because there are verses that exist that have soul manip that works on soulless beings, so it had to be worded as such to prevent NLF

I think this is literally just pucci when he gives people souls to manipulate

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nah there are verses that can soulhax stuff like machines

 

[Wokistan]

That just means those machines have souls in verse.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

According to the thread we had it would be the opposite

Also digimon that can soulhax soulless beings

 

[Wokistan]

That Digimon example is apparently misstated. Also what thread was even had on this? I don't see how guy soulhaxes robot so robot must have had a soul makes less sense than "guy manipulates shit tuat isn't even there"

 

[Keeweed]

According to the thread we had it would be the opposite

Also digimon that can soulhax soulless beings

Last time I checked we don't count digimon's soulless soul hax anymore because it ridiculous (despite there being multiple 1-As with 1-A time stop, which makes even less sense, and we count being able to mind hax mindless beings so not counting soul haxing soulless beings seems kinda dumb)

Edit: I bring this up because I think characters that have immunity to soul hax due to lacking souls should just have that be changed to resistance to soul manipulation rather than out right immunity.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If the machines have souls in verse, then Gems would be considered to have souls when fighting someone from that verse, because the show never actually says they don't have souls, we just make them souless because that's the standard for machines, so what really matters is how the other verse treats souls in robots.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2572754

This one

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"It is ridiculous" is now a good reason to ignore a power? Wow.

 

[Keeweed]

Well it was more due to being contradictory, but we have 1-A time stop which is the definition of contradictory so...

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

We have stuff like "mind control mindless beings", "regenerate from nothing" or "erase the opponent from nonexistance", and we draw the line in Digimon soul hax?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Wow this thread blew up hahaha

So what conclusions have we come to