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Genshin Impact — Nuking 2-C Istaroth

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Should be a quick fix actually.
Up to Low Multiverse level via Environmental Destruction (Created multiple Spacetimes/Timelines and separated The Traveler in different spacetimes)
Wonder why there's no scans? It's because Istaroth never created multiple space-times, nor separated The Traveler in different space-times because that realm is only an intersection of memories. Not even timeline is mentioned anywhere else on the quest itself.
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These scans are in chronological order, but you get the whole idea that the realm is only an intersection of memories with Lumine explaining how her plan is to superimpose current Natlan with Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. This doesn't imply it being a different space-time really, especially if it's localized.

Direidyth's situation is just her being put on a Time Loop by Istaroth though, this is kinda lengthy since the whole context of our current Traveler being in the "future" and that Lumine's actions from 500 years ago are predetermined by the Heavenly Principles is because of the localized superimposed space-time, which is again only an intersection of memories per stated by Lumine.
(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): So, my actions five hundred years in the future set everything in motion... Are you mocking me, Istaroth?
(‍Traveler‍): (Direidyth succeeded in bringing us together. But unfortunately, it is versions of us five hundred years apart.)
(‍Traveler‍): (She hoped that the Savior would rescue Khaenri'ah, save the entire world... but instead, the news she brought led the Savior to make the complete opposite decision...)
(‍Traveler‍): (How awful... Is that her fate? Is that how her story must end?)
Though that being said, the versions of us five hundred years apart is false unless that's a completely different Lumine altogether (i.e Lumine from 500 years ago) in which I'm not inclined to believe it as this is just Current Lumine and if it were the Lumine 500 years ago then Khaenri'ah would still exist, hence superimposing Natlan with the Khaenri'ah 500 years ago is basically useless.

• TLDR:
1. The realm is only an intersection of memories, not different space-time as claimed in the justification.
2. Lumine superimposing the Khaenri'ah 500 years ago to Natlan doesn't necessitate a different space-time, especially if it's still the same Lumine that we know and not a completely different Lumine from 500 years ago.

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I’ll temporarily lock this thread since there are already three ongoing CRTs for Genshin Impact. Feel free to reach out to me or any staff member to have it reopened once one of the three has been concluded.
And 4th one is yours.
 
Actually, I’m not really that interested in being involved in this CRT, since I don’t think it’s that important.

Maybe I’ll provide a few scans.
In Genshin, even memories can form a universe.
"Memory" is "design,"
The scales are a symbol of reason.
The golden twins join hands,
And the silver tree sprouts buds.

You follow each tiny piece of your memory,
The "universe" stands firm.
and the context of memory here does not literally refer to human memory, but to a point in time in the past, because it is clearly stated that the direidyth comes from a different Dimension of reality.
Citlali: It's like... a signal that exists on a different dimension of reality. It might not interfere with ours, or pose any detectable risk, but I just get the sense that something strange is going on.
Traveler‍): (Assuming he is right, then another possibility arises
(‍Traveler‍): (Maybe I'm in a different time and space from Direidyth. If she's Khaenri'ahn like Dain suspects, then that means...)
(‍Traveler‍): (This revived Khaenri'ah that he speaks of might actually exist... And despite hailing from that separate time and space, Direidyth has found a way to communicate with us.)
Direidyth: We're... not from the same world, are we?

(‍Traveler‍): No... I come from your future.
Direidyth: Wait, but that's great! That means the world isn't going to end.
So, Direidyth and the Traveler are in different points in space-time, where Direidyth is a citizen of Khaenri’ah who lived 500 years ago, while the Traveler exists in the present timeline. These two points in time intersect with one another.

The “memory” you’re talking about is merely a term used to represent a past that has already happened, because the events from 500 years ago are being shown again when the Traveler meets Direidyth.
(Traveler's Sibling‍): So that's what happened... Istaroth, the Ruler of Time, must have had a hand in this.

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): There's no other way that this meeting could have taken place.
Icon Dialogue Talk White (‍Lumine‍/‍Aether‍)...
Icon Dialogue Talk White You... knew of all this?

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): I knew only the ending. I've always been curious about the events that led to it.

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): When the Cataclysm first began five hundred years ago, I, as the (‍Princess‍/‍Prince‍) of Khaenri'ah, was preparing to do my part — to fight back with all my might...

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): But then this girl, Direidyth... she found me.

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): The irony was that even as she desperately begged me to save the world... she brought me news of you.

(Traveler's Sibling‍): I was stunned. And I was suspicious of her claim that you were searching for me... But then, she showed me the key to your Hibernation Chamber.
which proves the existence of present and past timelines that occur simultaneously, which are separated in different time spaces and different dimensions of reality, this is in accordance with mavuika statement.
Mavuika: They demonstrate the true shape of time.
Paimon: The shape of... time?
Mavuika: Most people perceive time as a linear concept, almost like a straight line that can only move forward. We cannot change the past or predict the future.
Mavuika: But, there's also a different theory, one that I believe to be closer to the truth. Namely, that the "past," "present," and "future" all exist at once.
Paimon: A—At once? Paimon's not sure she understands...
Mavuika: Let's say your journey ended right now. Thinking back on your experience in each nation, which one would you say was the most important?
Icon Dialogue Talk White I'd have to say all of them.
Mavuika: Exactly. Even at the end of your journey, the things you experienced along the way don't cease to exist. They become part of who you are.
Mavuika: Take out a portion of that journey, and you would likely make very different decisions, and eventually arrive at a very different destination.
Mavuika: The future is the same way. It exists even though it has yet to come to pass. We just lack the means to perceive it.
Mavuika: Of course, there are those with the power to foresee the future. They simply call it by a different name — "fate." You're quite familiar with that concept, I would imagine...
Paimon: That does kinda make sense! The future hasn't happened, but it already exists...
Mavuika: Humanity excels at living in the present, but too often, we forget the past and neglect the future.
This is also proven by the existence of the three keys to the Traveler spacecraft.
(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): But when I found you, you were still in hibernation. Even the key to the chamber was still secure on your person.
Icon Dialogue Talk White: You're saying...
Icon Dialogue Talk White: Three keys existed simultaneously in that moment?

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): I couldn't make sense of what I was seeing, but there was no time to think... I just grabbed you and ran. That's where we are right now — an intersection in our memories.

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): This question has haunted me for the past five hundred years... I never imagined the answer would come to me like this.

(‍Traveler's Sibling‍): So, my actions five hundred years in the future set everything in motion... Are you mocking me, Istaroth?
(‍Traveler‍): (Direidyth succeeded in bringing us together. But unfortunately, it is versions of us five hundred years apart.)
(‍Traveler‍): (She hoped that the Savior would rescue Khaenri'ah, save the entire world... but instead, the news she brought led the Savior to make the complete opposite decision...)
(‍Traveler‍): (How awful... Is that her fate? Is that how her story must end?)
Why is the number of spacecraft keys important? Yeah, let me explain a little.
As explained before, there should originally only be two spacecraft keys. However, the present-day Traveler gave their key to Direidyth from 500 years ago. Because of that, the Direidyth from the past ended up holding the hibernation key, resulting in the existence of three hibernation keys.

1. The Traveler key that was given to Direi.
2. The Traveler sibling key.
3. The Traveler own spacecraft key that they still carried.

This proves that the three timelines manifest within different dimensions of reality (as stated by Citlali), with each of these realities existing in separate space-times. When those space-times intersect, it allows Direidyth from the past to meet the present-day Traveler.

This is also the reason why three hibernation chamber keys can exist simultaneously, proving that each temporal framework (the past, the present, and the future) is real and manifests within its own separate reality.

Istaroth (shades of time) created all this, therefore the traveler said there was Istaroth's interference and felt that Istaroth was laughing at him because he had arranged it since 500 years ago.
 
Actually, I’m not really that interested in being involved in this CRT, since I don’t think it’s that important.

Maybe I’ll provide a few scans.
In Genshin, even memories can form a universe.

and the context of memory here does not literally refer to human memory, but to a point in time in the past, because it is clearly stated that the direidyth comes from a different Dimension of reality.



So, Direidyth and the Traveler are in different points in space-time, where Direidyth is a citizen of Khaenri’ah who lived 500 years ago, while the Traveler exists in the present timeline. These two points in time intersect with one another.

The “memory” you’re talking about is merely a term used to represent a past that has already happened, because the events from 500 years ago are being shown again when the Traveler meets Direidyth.

which proves the existence of present and past timelines that occur simultaneously, which are separated in different time spaces and different dimensions of reality, this is in accordance with mavuika statement.

This is also proven by the existence of the three keys to the Traveler spacecraft.

Why is the number of spacecraft keys important? Yeah, let me explain a little.
As explained before, there should originally only be two spacecraft keys. However, the present-day Traveler gave their key to Direidyth from 500 years ago. Because of that, the Direidyth from the past ended up holding the hibernation key, resulting in the existence of three hibernation keys.

1. The Traveler key that was given to Direi.
2. The Traveler sibling key.
3. The Traveler own spacecraft key that they still carried.

This proves that the three timelines manifest within different dimensions of reality (as stated by Citlali), with each of these realities existing in separate space-times. When those space-times intersect, it allows Direidyth from the past to meet the present-day Traveler.

This is also the reason why three hibernation chamber keys can exist simultaneously, proving that each temporal framework (the past, the present, and the future) is real and manifests within its own separate reality.

Istaroth (shades of time) created all this, therefore the traveler said there was Istaroth's interference and felt that Istaroth was laughing at him because he had arranged it since 500 years ago.
So, I disagree with CRT, because memory here doesn't refer literally to human memory, but it refers to the past that has re-emerged, thus forming a different dimension of reality, where at that time there were 3 timelines that were realized, it should have met the 2c standard, that's all from me. I won't argue further, please let the staff assess it
 
Will she get a new environmental destruction key or no?
No, I believe
Actually, I’m not really that interested in being involved in this CRT, since I don’t think it’s that important.

Maybe I’ll provide a few scans.
In Genshin, even memories can form a universe.
Nothing about that implies anything about memories forming an universe.
and the context of memory here does not literally refer to human memory, but to a point in time in the past, because it is clearly stated that the direidyth comes from a different Dimension of reality.
Well, Direidyth is stuck on a time loop as I explained in the OP by Istaroth so it doesn't really necessitate two different Direidyth.
So, Direidyth and the Traveler are in different points in space-time, where Direidyth is a citizen of Khaenri’ah who lived 500 years ago, while the Traveler exists in the present timeline. These two points in time intersect with one another.
Like I said above regarding Direidyth on why it wouldn't constitute a different space-time, for it to be considered 2-C requires both space-times to be universal yet we had statements of it being localized and Istaroth affecting the entirety of these for the tiers itself.
The “memory” you’re talking about is merely a term used to represent a past that has already happened, because the events from 500 years ago are being shown again when the Traveler meets Direidyth.
Which is an intersection of memories, since it wouldn't be the localized space-time here as I'm not even sure whether Lumine succeeded in her plans with superimposing present Natlan with Khaenri'ah from the past. But really, that pocket dimension is just Istaroth making a pocket dimension or Asmoday to show us Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. This doesn't require it being a different space-time continuum.
which proves the existence of present and past timelines that occur simultaneously, which are separated in different time spaces and different dimensions of reality, this is in accordance with mavuika statement.
It doesn't though from my arguments above.
Mavuika's statement is just talking about Eternalism, and how Genshin's universe follows said theory. Eternalism would qualify for Low 2-C on the Tiering System, but that would meant that Istaroth is the creator of the Genshin Universe and we know this is impossible.
This is also proven by the existence of the three keys to the Traveler spacecraft.
This is regarding the time loop though.
Why is the number of spacecraft keys important? Yeah, let me explain a little.
As explained before, there should originally only be two spacecraft keys. However, the present-day Traveler gave their key to Direidyth from 500 years ago. Because of that, the Direidyth from the past ended up holding the hibernation key, resulting in the existence of three hibernation keys.
I think this is just a general case of like time traveling in fiction, it doesn't require a different space-time continuum for obvious reasons. But man, I don't know how would the Traveler time travel here since all we know is that Traveler entered the realm (intersection of memories) through holding hands with Direidyth lmao. But like we have statements that Direidyth's stuck on a time loop and that our Abyssal Twin is already predetermined by Heavenly Principles

1. The Traveler key that was given to Direi.
2. The Traveler sibling key.
3. The Traveler own spacecraft key that they still carried.

This proves that the three timelines manifest within different dimensions of reality (as stated by Citlali), with each of these realities existing in separate space-times. When those space-times intersect, it allows Direidyth from the past to meet the present-day Traveler.
No, because you'd need evidence that each space-time is also universal in size and as we can see clearly given the localized state. It'd definitely not universal, think of a case like Bleach where the 3 realms are considered different space-time continuum of their own whilst being universal sized for 2-C.
This is also the reason why three hibernation chamber keys can exist simultaneously, proving that each temporal framework (the past, the present, and the future) is real and manifests within its own separate reality.

Istaroth (shades of time) created all this, therefore the traveler said there was Istaroth's interference and felt that Istaroth was laughing at him because he had arranged it since 500 years ago.
Yeah, it doesn't really hold up especially when Eternalism straight up nuked any 2-C reasoning due to Eternalism confirming that past, present and future could co-exist in a single timeline which meant if each keys represent past, present and future in which there are 3 keys. You'd get my point, I'd still disagree with the realm being Low 2-C sized though. I think this is my main point here.
 
No, I believe

Nothing about that implies anything about memories forming an universe.
you just need to understand it
Well, Direidyth is stuck on a time loop as I explained in the OP by Istaroth so it doesn't really necessitate two different Direidyth.
there is no such explanation, bro hilichurl what you saw at the beginning was direidythd in the present, and the human form was direidyth from the past, so at that time there were 2 direidiths simultaneously. so what you said is very contradictory to this
Like I said above regarding Direidyth on why it wouldn't constitute a different space-time, for it to be considered 2-C requires both space-times to be universal yet we had statements of it being localized and Istaroth affecting the entirety of these for the tiers itself.
Istaroth's realm of power is a space-time that is 14 billion years old and 98 billion years wide. That's why Istaroth is called the mother of 14 billion years, to demonstrate Istaroth's superiority.
Which is an intersection of memories, since it wouldn't be the localized space-time here as I'm not even sure whether Lumine succeeded in her plans with superimposing present Natlan with Khaenri'ah from the past. But really, that pocket dimension is just Istaroth making a pocket dimension or Asmoday to show us Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. This doesn't require it being a different space-time continuum.
What you explained here is completely irrelevant, because it does not debunk the existence of two manifested timelines at all. That is precisely why there are two versions of Direi and three keys.
It doesn't though from my arguments above.
Mavuika's statement is just talking about Eternalism, and how Genshin's universe follows said theory. Eternalism would qualify for Low 2-C on the Tiering System, but that would meant that Istaroth is the creator of the Genshin Universe and we know this is impossible.
yeah eternalysn is basically l2c, but in the current case it has a different condition, where more than 1 timeline is realized
This is regarding the time loop though.

I think this is just a general case of like time traveling in fiction, it doesn't require a different space-time continuum for obvious reasons. But man, I don't know how would the Traveler time travel here since all we know is that Traveler entered the realm (intersection of memories) through holding hands with Direidyth lmao. But like we have statements that Direidyth's stuck on a time loop and that our Abyssal Twin is already predetermined by Heavenly Principles

It’s not even time travel again. They did not physically move through space-time when meeting Direi, it was literally an intersection of space-times And again, this still does not debunk the existence of more than one timeline.
No, because you'd need evidence that each space-time is also universal in size and as we can see clearly given the localized state. It'd definitely not universal, think of a case like Bleach where the 3 realms are considered different space-time continuum of their own whilst being universal sized for 2-C.

Yeah, it doesn't really hold up especially when Eternalism straight up nuked any 2-C reasoning due to Eternalism confirming that past, present and future could co-exist in a single timeline which meant if each keys represent past, present and future in which there are 3 keys. You'd get my point, I'd still disagree with the realm being Low 2-C sized though. I think this is my main point here.
This is just repeating the previous argument, which I already responded to.
 
you just need to understand it

there is no such explanation, bro hilichurl what you saw at the beginning was direidythd in the present, and the human form was direidyth from the past, so at that time there were 2 direidiths simultaneously. so what you said is very contradictory to this

Istaroth's realm of power is a space-time that is 14 billion years old and 98 billion years wide. That's why Istaroth is called the mother of 14 billion years, to demonstrate Istaroth's superiority.

What you explained here is completely irrelevant, because it does not debunk the existence of two manifested timelines at all. That is precisely why there are two versions of Direi and three keys.

yeah eternalysn is basically l2c, but in the current case it has a different condition, where more than 1 timeline is realized

It’s not even time travel again. They did not physically move through space-time when meeting Direi, it was literally an intersection of space-times And again, this still does not debunk the existence of more than one timeline.

This is just repeating the previous argument, which I already responded to.
Alright so first off since this doesn't really address my arguments, I believe Eternalism being applied to the verse whilst evidently that it supports the entire cosmology being Low 2-C that no one scales to (and yes, Istaroth wouldn't scale to the 93 billions lightyears stuff unless there's direct confirmation Istaroth created the Genshin Universe).

Eternalism is the thing that's making the 3 keys stuff possible, because the three keys that you mentioned could be analogized to the past, present and future happening at the same time within one timeline. That's what Eternalism is about.

Whether Istaroth is Low 2-C for creating the Khaenri'ah 500 years ago, I really oppose this since there's no reason on why it'd be universal sized when it's explicitly only showing us the state of Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. That combined with the fact that it's a localized space-time if you could say here, nothing stops Istaroth as the embodiment of Time itself to straight up freeze Khaenri'ah 500 years ago in one of her pocket dimension (I mean Asmoday's capable, and we see Asmoday in there too other than Istaroth) and show that to the Traveler. I don't see why this is 2-C. We would just be saying that the Temple of Space is a different space-time continuum compared to the Genshin Universe, it doesn't make sense really.
 
Alright so first off since this doesn't really address my arguments, I believe Eternalism being applied to the verse whilst evidently that it supports the entire cosmology being Low 2-C that no one scales to (and yes, Istaroth wouldn't scale to the 93 billions lightyears stuff unless there's direct confirmation Istaroth created the Genshin Universe).

Eternalism is the thing that's making the 3 keys stuff possible, because the three keys that you mentioned could be analogized to the past, present and future happening at the same time within one timeline. That's what Eternalism is about.

Whether Istaroth is Low 2-C for creating the Khaenri'ah 500 years ago, I really oppose this since there's no reason on why it'd be universal sized when it's explicitly only showing us the state of Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. That combined with the fact that it's a localized space-time if you could say here, nothing stops Istaroth as the embodiment of Time itself to straight up freeze Khaenri'ah 500 years ago in one of her pocket dimension (I mean Asmoday's capable, and we see Asmoday in there too other than Istaroth) and show that to the Traveler. I don't see why this is 2-C. We would just be saying that the Temple of Space is a different space-time continuum compared to the Genshin Universe, it doesn't make sense really.
From your understanding, it's wrong. Istaroth didn't create Khaenriah, but created an alternative timeline, which is the one that intersects with the present timeline. So 2c wasn't obtained from creating Kahenriah, creating Khaenriah was just the power of Loom Fate, but Istaroth created a past timeline that intersects with the present.

So, L2C is the present timeline and there are other L2C in different dimensions of reality/space-time.
 
Earlier this month, i was planning to add or change the 2-C justification to a better one, i was like huh i have a time this week maybe i'm just gonna do something with Istaroth's 2-C justification. And then there's this thread.

I believe @Le'garde273 has something to say.
 
From your understanding, it's wrong. Istaroth didn't create Khaenriah, but created an alternative timeline, which is the one that intersects with the present timeline. So 2c wasn't obtained from creating Kahenriah, creating Khaenriah was just the power of Loom Fate, but Istaroth created a past timeline that intersects with the present.

So, L2C is the present timeline and there are other L2C in different dimensions of reality/space-time.
But alternative timeline isn't required when the timeline itself applies Eternalism, that it's possible for the past, present and future to co-exist without alternative timelines
 
Earlier this month, i was planning to add or change the 2-C justification to a better one, i was like huh i have a time this week maybe i'm just gonna do something with Istaroth's 2-C justification. And then there's this thread.

I believe @Le'garde273 has something to say.
He was arguing through the Sacred Sakura bro, Plane of Euthymia isn't Low 2-C since it's interdimensional anyway. There's stuff about PoE having its own temporal dimension, but is it even universe sized
 
What else was the quest about dude 😭 find me anything that implies that timeline reaches beyond khaenriah because thats literally what travel note says that what you see is khaenriah 500 years ago
bro, you think the khaenriah timeline and the teyvat timeline are different haha.
it's like you said planet earth and planet mars are in 2 different timelines lol
 
You wanna debate whether Teyvat is universe sized or not (Universal Dottore)?
I think lowkey the main point here is whether Teyvat's universe sized or not, cause the only stuff justifying Tier 2 is if it's universe sized
 
He was arguing through the Sacred Sakura bro, Plane of Euthymia isn't Low 2-C since it's interdimensional anyway. There's stuff about PoE having its own temporal dimension, but is it even universe sized
Wrong, he's not talking about the Plane of Euthymia, nor the Makoto's Realm of Consciousness.

If you really do the story quest of Raiden Shogun Act 2, you would know that what Ei basically doing is changing Teyvat's timeline, or specifically Inazuma (cause that's what she aimed to). You literally can see a bunch of alternate timelines that are not part of the true reality, which is now.
 
bro, you think the khaenriah timeline and the teyvat timeline are different haha.
it's like you said planet earth and planet mars are in 2 different timelines lol
you dont even know what you have said lol. the supposed timeline istaroth created that we walked into is literally only the size of cataclysm khaenriah so burden of proof is on you to give us any reasoning why the timeline would be universal. But OP is as blatant as it gets that this is just interesection of memories from superimprosed time
 
Isnt this what you were saying
I don't know how you understand my explanation, so that you can draw this conclusion.

Wait for the staff, let them evaluate it, so this CRT can be finished quickly. Okay??
Because I also want to make 1 CRT, and I'm waiting for a finished CRT. Because there are 3 active crts
 
you dont even know what you have said lol. the supposed timeline istaroth created that we walked into is literally only the size of cataclysm khaenriah so burden of proof is on you to give us any reasoning why the timeline would be universal. But OP is as blatant as it gets that this is just interesection of memories from superimprosed time
as i said, you seem to be separating the natlan/khaenriah timeline from the teyvat timeline 🥀
 
Wrong, he's not talking about the Plane of Euthymia, nor the Makoto's Realm of Consciousness.

If you really do the story quest of Raiden Shogun Act 2, you would know that what Ei basically doing is changing Teyvat's timeline, or specifically Inazuma (cause that's what she aimed to). You literally can see a bunch of alternate timelines that are not part of the true reality, which is now.
Yeah but this is insignificant 4-D, you'd need significant 4-D for Low 2-C to even be considered which means Ei has to alter the entirety of the Genshin Universe as Ei altering Teyvat only and specifically Inazuma would make it insignificant, that's all I'm saying ngl
 
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