Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[Puppet43]

CURSE THIS FORUM I CANT DO THE EVIL SMILY FACE

Send in dc which face u talking about

PEAK PEAK PEAK PEAK PEAK

 

[Giannysmag]

Goals

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[AsterReal]

 

[Giannysmag]

Alright so mine and Puppet's moon calcs are both evaluated as mathematically correct but we need to decide which one we should use

Moon Shenanigans

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BRINGING THE MOON TO TEYVAT

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(rn it's not that big of a deal if we use either since I just need it for Dottore's LS but once Tiers 2 and 4 get nuked this is probably gonna be the main feat of the verse)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Alright so mine and Puppet's moon calcs are both evaluated as mathematically correct but we need to decide which one we should use

Moon Shenanigans

vsbattles.fandom.com

BRINGING THE MOON TO TEYVAT

vsbattles.fandom.com

(rn it's not that big of a deal if we use either since I just need it for Dottore's LS but once Tiers 2 and 4 get nuked this is probably gonna be the main feat of the verse)

notice how its an actual on screen feat unlike 4-A and low 2-C and u have bina having feat of her own too

 

[Giannysmag]

notice how its an actual on screen feat unlike 4-A and low 2-C and u have bina having feat of her own too

I'll probably calc the Bina feat and the Aino canon feat tomorrow

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'll probably calc the Bina feat and the Aino canon feat tomorrow

This is why i should give you kisses and hugs

 

[MSahla]

Moon Shenanigans

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BRINGING THE MOON TO TEYVAT

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Who's who..

 

[Giannysmag]

This is why i should give you kisses and hugs

 

[Giannysmag]

Who's who..

You can see it by opening the blog, tho it might actually be better to not look at it and just look at the calc to pick which you like better unbiasly

 

[MSahla]

You can see it by opening the blog, tho it might actually be better to not look at it and just look at the calc to pick which you like better unbiasly

Well.. My math is dogshit so i can't say nothing, so i'll leave it that to you and puppet.

I think that.. the Frost Moon has the same size as our moon irl, and the Eternal Moon is 2-3 times bigger.

 

[MSahla]

I think that.. The Frost Moon has the same size as our moon IRL, and the Eternal Moon is like.. 2-3 times bigger.

 

[MSahla]

Fontaine World Quest fans were eating good in Nodkrai and Rene de Petrichor stay goated.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Honestly i am kinda expecting for it to be revealed eventually that the "40 years war" between the Dragon Sovereigns and the dragon civilization vs the HP and Shades was only really a war from their perspective and that it took 40 years simply because the HP kept giving them the chance to peacefully submit until they were eventually done with it or something like that lmao.

Like, it just doesn't make sense to me that fighting the Sovereigns took a whole 40 years due to some kind of struggling if the war with Abyss Amped Nibelung (who should be stronger than all the Sovereigns combined) + the remaining Sovereigns from the first war took place all in just a single year (the funenary year).

 

[MSahla]

Like, it just doesn't make sense to me that fighting the Sovereigns took a whole 40 years due to some kind of struggling if the war with Abyss Amped Nibelung (who should be stronger than all the Sovereigns combined) + the remaining Sovereigns from the first war took place all in just a single year (the funenary year).

We should also take a note that the remaining Sovereigns who still alive were also join in the war of funerary flame. This is supported by the fact that Apep was there and also Xiuhcoatl woke up from his false death after Nibelung called him to wake up.

 

[MSahla]

And we don't underestimate the Sovereigns here, cause their power like Primordial Sea and Phlogiston aren't just a random primordial energies. If you really aware about them, you'll know how strong they are.

 

[Tsubasa16]

We should also take a note that the remaining Sovereigns who still alive were also join in the war of funerary flame. This is supported by the fact that Apep was there and also Xiuhcoatl woke up from his false death after Nibelung called him to wake up.

I mean yeah, i mentioned it "Abyss Amped Nibelung (who should be stronger than all the Sovereigns combined) + the remaining Sovereigns from the first war".

 

[Tsubasa16]

And we don't underestimate the Sovereigns here, cause their power like Primordial Sea and Phlogiston aren't just a random primordial energies. If you really aware about them, you'll know how strong they are.

I don't doubt they are strong, again it just feels really odd to me how fighting the 7 Sovereigns + the dragon civilization took 40 years when fighting Abyss Amped Nibelung + the remaining Soverigns that didn't die the first time only took likely even less than 1 year, it should've taken longer considering with Abyss Amped Nibelung their side was would logically be much stronger than during the first war.

 

[MSahla]

I mean yeah, i mentioned it?

The remaining sovereigns in the war of funerary flame should've already lost their authorities after being usurped, and the abyss weren't just amping them but also make them lost control, so they were not as strong as their prime. Even Xiuhcoatl was stated he was in the verge of his death.

 

[MSahla]

Perhaps the gap between Nibelung and Sovereigns are not that big to begin with, like Xiuhcoatl literally manage to accomplished the same Feats as Nibelung.

 

[MSahla]

And Sandrone never saw Columbina's eyes

 

[Furina003]

I mean yeah, i mentioned it "Abyss Amped Nibelung (who should be stronger than all the Sovereigns combined) + the remaining Sovereigns from the first war".

Yeah, I've been thinking like this for a long time. What I mean is, the first war wasn't a direct war with the Primordial One but a kind of negotiation or they gave them a chance to submit and surrender, moreover, in the Morningstar artifact it was explained, when the Primordial One first came, the Primordial One had absolutely no intention of seizing anything, so the usurpation of the dragon's power might have happened after the revenge war.

 

[TrueBK98]

Nibelung just didn't want them to join in his war against them.

Morever, what the hell are they gonna do against Phanes when Nicole straight up said they're completely fodder to them.

The problem with this statement is that Nicole was also retelling the events depicted in those murals slightly incorrect. Given that she's an Angel of Celestial, there might be some biases.
In Nicole's retelling, the discord between the three happened after the war had already started and it was about picking a side:

Nicole: He did, and thus began the war of funerary flame. A battle for dominance between Nibelung and the Heavenly Principles.
Nicole: Discord would soon emerge between the three moon sisters. One would voice the opinion that they should follow Nibelung, for it was he who first hung the moons in the sky.
Nicole: Another would argue that taking sides in the conflict would only bring the world closer to ruin. There was no telling where it would lead.
Nicole: Especially since their creator had returned bearing the perilous power of the Abyss.
Nicole: Nibelung would eventually discover their disloyalty. He had all three imprisoned before transforming the moons into weapons with which to fight against the Heavenly Principles.

But in Aria's words, their disagreement started before the war and it was about Aria and Canon's curiosity toward the order brought up by Phanes. When Nibelung returned, they're already decided to take measures against Phanes, there shouldn't be any side picking left when they have chose to stand against Phanes:

Aria: Slowly, however, we came to realize that our guest had a growing desire to change and dominate the world.
Columbina: And you didn't stop it?
Aria: No. There was an order to the rules they set up that Nibelung never taught us.
Aria: We wanted to know if this order would bode good or ill for Teyvat.
Sonnet: ...
Aria: ...Alright, Canon and I wanted to know. Sonnet... was against it from the outset.
Canon: Later, we discovered that this great ruler of the firmament bore an almost paranoid hostility toward the desire of certain life forms to seek power... Or perhaps they feared them.


Aria: But just when we had decided to take countermeasures, the Dragon King, Nibelung returned.
Columbina: And so began the war of funerary flame...

 

[MSahla]

The problem with this statement is that Nicole was also retelling the events depicted in those murals slightly incorrect. Given that she's an Angel of Celestial, there might be some biases.
In Nicole's retelling, the discord between the three happened after the war had already started and it was about picking a side:

There's no incorrect from her either, and should be no biases, because theres literally no reason for her for being biased or even lie at that moment, as she was literally lived in the era when the sisters still alived. So she knows what she's talking about.

When Nibelung returned, they're already decided to take measures against Phanes, there shouldn't be any side picking left when they have chose to stand against Phanes:

Now this is talking about how they want to help the people and civilizations being punished by the celestial nails. Canon already did everything she can, but she too can't handle it. She can only help the ancestors of the Frostmoon Scions/remaining Hyperboreans.

 

[TrueBK98]

There's no incorrect from her either, and should be no biases, because theres literally no reason for her for being biased or even lie at that moment, as she was literally lived in the era when the sisters still alived. So she knows what she's talking about.

But she wasn’t a part of the sister and belonged to Celestia. I’m not saying she lying, I meant that the story from her point of view as a messenger of Celestia doesn’t fully aligned with reality.

Now this is talking about how they want to help the people and civilizations being punished by the celestial nails. Canon already did everything she can, but she too can't handle it. She can only help the ancestors of the Frostmoon Scions/remaining Hyperboreans.

Countermeasures, an action taken to counteract a danger or threat.
Counteract, act against (something) in order to reduce its force or neutralize it.

The convo was literally about why they didn’t stop Phanes and it was already too late when they decided to.

 

[TrueBK98]

Nicole: It is possible that the Heavenly Principles did not know of the goddesses' imprisonment. If so, the weaponization of the moons would surely have been viewed as an intentional breach of the peace agreement. What happens then?
Nicole: Regardless of who knew what when, the Heavenly Principles shattered two moons, and flung the other beyond the skies.
Nicole: Whether the goddesses managed to escape Nibelung's captivity after his fall, nobody knows.

Her story contains her own guesses and reasonings as well.

Nicole: No, not really. It's just that over thirty possibilities emerged in my head, so I can't be sure who "he" is... It's been too long. My memory isn't as sharp as it once was.

She also stated that her memory wasn’t as good as before.

 

[Furina003]

What are we discussing? Will someone say that the moon goddess is the stronger than of the heavenly principle? Aahh, even the Nibelungs were destroyed by the heavenly principle, the 3 moon goddesses are not even stronger than the shades ,

Her story contains her own guesses and reasonings as well.

She also stated that her memory wasn’t as good as before.

The 3 moon goddesses only adapt to the laws passed down by phanes, they do not have absolute authority like shades who have gone trancendent those fundamental aspects, saying that nicole's statement is not credible is wrong, nicole is even as old as teyvat itself. because angels were already alive when phanes formed the human world.

 

[MSahla]

I’m not saying she lying, I meant that the story from her point of view as a messenger of Celestia doesn’t fully aligned with reality.

What reality?

Countermeasures, an action taken to counteract a danger or threat.
Counteract, act against (something) in order to reduce its force or neutralize it.

The convo was literally about why they didn’t stop Phanes and it was already too late when they decided to.

And what are they gonna do to Phanes anyway, they were under protection by the Angels and one of them was Zibai who was tasked by Istaroth as the messenger of the Three Moons. Even the Three Moons were still under the Shades control too.

 

[MSahla]

Her story contains her own guesses and reasonings as well.

The imprisonment of the Moon Goddesses is something that barely anyone knows, EVEN she guessed Phanes themself too.

She also stated that her memory wasn’t as good as before.

This is for another context, and theres seems no inacurrate things from her whenever she talks about the Moons.

 

[TrueBK98]

...saying that nicole's statement is not credible is wrong, nicole is even as old as teyvat itself. because angels were already alive when phanes formed the human world.

Being old IS the reason why her memory degraded:

Nicole:... It's been too long. My memory isn't as sharp as it once was.

 

[TrueBK98]

What reality?

Their stories. The timeline and what transpired are slightly different.

And what are they gonna do to Phanes anyway, they were under protection by the Angels and one of them was Zibai who was tasked by Istaroth as the messenger of the Three Moons. Even the Three Moons were still under the Shades control too.

They were under a peace agreement, let's not stretch it to them being under control now.

 

[MSahla]

Their stories. The timeline and what transpired are slightly different.

Theres not a really big differences

They were under a peace agreement, let's not stretch it to them being under control now.

They were under a peace agreement, but behind that, the Moons were under control by Phanes and the Shades, that's the fact that we can't deny. Even the Frostmoon Scions prays to Istaroth so she can protect their Moon Goddesses.

 

[TrueBK98]

This is for another context, and theres seems no inacurrate things from her whenever she talks about the Moons.

Doesn't matter which context, her memory degraded is the truth. Again, their stories differ from one another.

 

[MSahla]

Doesn't matter which context, her memory degraded is the truth. Again, their stories differ from one another.

It does. Her memory may not as sharp as before, but she still knows about everything in Teyvat, even the very foundational rules of the world.

 

[Furina003]

Being old IS the reason why her memory degraded:

her memory is slightly damaged does not mean what she said is not true, that is how the lore is conveyed in the game story through character narratives and sources provided such as books etc. is credible information, if we say what Nicole said is biased, then we can assume what Aria said is also biased so what can we do if all sources are said to be not credible?, in fact I think Nicole's statement is more credible than Aria, because she witnessed firsthand what happened in the world, the 3 moon goddesses did not even know the results of the war of vengeance they did not know if the Nibelungs were dead, if we say the 3 moon goddesses are stronger than the principles indirectly we also say the Nibelungs are weaker than the 3 moon goddesses.

The moon goddesses could not fight Phanes because they were not strong enough, Phanes did not destroy them because they submitted and did not fight.

 

[TrueBK98]

They were under a peace agreement, but behind that, the Moons were under control by Phanes and the Shades, that's the fact that we can't deny.

Under control by Phanes, yes. Under the Shades, not really, that just correlation.

(Note from the Priestess Ehrnrooth: The meaning of this prayer remains obscure, and the ritual described herein contradicts established historical records. The Verdant Crest, a Divine Tree that appeared at the birth of the Moon Maiden five centuries ago, should not feature in any account of rituals predating that event. As no other known texts reference these rites, this is presumed to be a scribal error. Nevertheless, this passage has been preserved unaltered for the sake of textual fidelity.)

 

[TrueBK98]

her memory is slightly damaged does not mean what she said is not true, that is how the lore is conveyed in the game story through character narratives and sources provided such as books etc. is credible information, if we say what Nicole said is biased, then we can assume what Aria said is also biased so what can we do if all sources are said to be not credible?, in fact I think Nicole's statement is more credible than Aria, because she witnessed firsthand what happened in the world, the 3 moon goddesses did not even know the results of the war of vengeance they did not know if the Nibelungs were dead, if we say the 3 moon goddesses are stronger than the principles indirectly we also say the Nibelungs are weaker than the 3 moon goddesses.

The moon goddesses could not fight Phanes because they were not strong enough, Phanes did not destroy them because they submitted and did not fight.

I'm not saying Nicole's yapping isn't credible, but in this case her retelling literally differs from the ones involved. Sure, the moon goddesses didn't about the events after their imprisonment, but they definitely know more about themself than Nicole.

 

[MSahla]

Under control by Phanes, yes. Under the Shades, not really, that just correlation.

Different context. Priestess Ehrnrooth were talking about the Verdant Crest tree that is not supposed to be featured.

You can even know how the prayers were backward after:
"May you protect the four imprisoned moons"
This is somehow implies that Aila was also know about the imprisonment of the Moon Goddesses, even including Columbina.

 

[Furina003]

I'm not saying Nicole's yapping isn't credible, but in this case her retelling literally differs from the ones involved. Sure, the moon goddesses didn't about the events after their imprisonment, but they definitely know more about themself than Nicole.

So what is the point you're trying to make? The moon goddess is stronger than the heavenly principle? Or what?