Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Tetromino was right, it was Skirk who allowed herself to be restricted by the constellation. It doesn't make sense for Skirk to even be restricted by one when she's in another planet where there's no False Sky there. And we know all these constellation stuff is in the False Sky which was described as a starry sky so this supports my argument, even though it's not the starry sky in powerscaling terms that's like 4-A given false sky is just a border to protect Teyvat itself as the

Not really true, Skirk's fate alone already attached to Teyvat's fate since the beginning so the constellation are not only like controls by the false sky.
Even the Moon Goddesses can do what the False Sky can do which is controlling the Constellations.

Even Surtalogi still bound by it.

 

[Voidnether]

Not really true, Skirk's fate alone already attached to Teyvat's fate since the beginning so the constellation are not only like controls by the false sky.
Even the Moon Goddesses can do what the False Sky can do which is controlling the Constellations.

Even Surtalogi still bound by it.

Surtalogi one is because he's from Teyvat, Skirk isn't, there's zero reason for Skirk to be bound if it's outside the reach of the false sky which restricts everyone that's within the reach of the false sky hence the constellation stuff

 

[MSahla]

Surtalogi one is because he's from Teyvat, Skirk isn't, there's zero reason for Skirk to be bound if it's outside the reach of the false sky which restricts everyone that's within the reach of the false sky hence the constellation stuff

"Theres a zero reason" Yes there is?
Theres no proof of skirk allowed herself to be bound by constellation either.

 

[Voidnether]

"Theres a zero reason" Yes there is?
Theres no proof of skirk allowed herself to be bound by constellation either.

Holy headcanon

 

[MSahla]

Holy headcanon

On the contrary, its your headcanon.
Try to prove where did it said that Skirk let herself by the constellation because nobody ever do that btw.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Tetromino was right, it was Skirk who allowed herself to be restricted by the constellation. It doesn't make sense for Skirk to even be restricted by one when she's in another planet where there's no False Sky there. And we know all these constellation stuff is in the False Sky which was described as a starry sky so this supports my argument, even though it's not the starry sky in powerscaling terms that's like 4-A given false sky is just a border to protect Teyvat itself as the planet/continent. If we already agreed that Skirk is way stronger than Neuvillette, would this mean Neuvillette is stronger because he's not restricted by the constellation and instead made his own?

Exactly and Alice confirmed this in her analogy calling her an observer:

many ecologists find it emotionally overwhelming when they observe the animal kingdom and see the predators hunting and the prey fleeing — but they'll never interfere in the process. Instead, they allow the laws of nature to take precedence over their own emotions.

The Cn is more clear on these issues by calling outlanders and special cases, their Cons fake. This is a term they specifically used for the traveler

命之座（伪）：旅人座
“Constellation (False): Traveler’s Constellation”

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

On the contrary, its your headcanon.
Try to prove where did it said that Skirk let herself by the constellation because nobody ever do that btw.

No where does the lore also suggest that Traveler let himself have a constellation and yet we know lore wise he shouldn't be bounded by it.

 

[MSahla]

No where does the lore also suggest that Traveler let himself have a constellation and yet we know lore wise he shouldn't be bounded by it.

???
Nor does the traveler ever let himself have a constellation? It depends on what constellation that someone has. Is it the fate system constellation of their own constellation.

And also, Descenders are not bound by Constellation of the Fate System from heavenly principles by default

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

???
Nor does the traveler ever let himself have a constellation? It depends on what constellation that someone has. Is it the fate system constellation of their own constellation.

And also, Descenders are not bound by Constellation of the Fate System from heavenly principles by default

Yet if we apply your logic from earlier on, Traveler in game have a constellation, he is therefore bound by constellations.

Lmao, Do you even realized she has a constellation even in her in-game profile? Her constellation name is Crystallina

Also care to show me, where Traveler created its own constellation system? Which archon quest or story quest stated this?

 

[MSahla]

Yet if we apply your logic from earlier on, Traveler in game have a constellation, he is therefore bound by constellations.

Also care to show me, where Traveler created its own constellation system? Which archon quest or story quest stated this?

Oh my, Him being a descender alone already unbound by fate by default.

His constellation is Viator/Viatrix which is literally just means Traveler, this is the same case as Neuvillette who's constellation is literally just means "Neuvillette" And nothing else.

 

[OmniScalator]

Oh my, Him being a descender alone already unbound by fate by default.

His constellation is Viator/Viatrix which is literally just means Traveler, this is the same case as Neuvillette who's constellation is literally just means "Neuvillette" And nothing else.

Btw Archon's constellations are also named after themselves

Venti's constellation means god of song

Zhongli's God of stone

Raiden's shadow empress

Mavuika's unconquered sun

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Oh my, Him being a descender alone already unbound by fate by default.

Not what I asked. Care to show me one scan where it's stated the traveler created his own fate system.

His constellation is Viator/Viatrix which is literally just means Traveler, this is the same case as Neuvillette who's constellation is literally just means "Neuvillette" And nothing else.

So does Aloy Constellation, it just means nora brave which is her tribe name. The fact that both Alice and Nicole are unaffected by the teyvat Law system says enough.

 

[MSahla]

Not what I asked. Care to show me one scan where it's stated the traveler created his own fate system.

Him being descender is enough, Descenders trancends almost all thing that the heavenly principles established

The fact that both Alice and Nicole are unaffected by the teyvat Law system says enough.

Wanna bet 3 welkin moons with me if they have constellations (lore-wise) whenever they playable?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Wanna bet 3 welkin moons with me if they have constellations (lore-wise) whenever they playable?

Betttt

 

[MSahla]

Betttt

Say wallahi

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Say wallahi

Wallahi bro, but only if stated in lore and not just in-game mechanics

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Been correct @OmniScalator yeah I gonna spam the shit out of ya :3

Spoiler

The Damselette
They say that back then, the three Moon Goddesses wielded immense power. Enough to shape the workings of the world itself.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Oh it also confirmed that the moon marrow is indeed the power of the eternal moon lmao I was right again.

Spoiler

Traveler
That's why we need the Moon Marrow — to borrow the Eternal Moon's power...
The Damselette
The three moons are not one and the same. As the Goddess of the Frost Moon, I cannot wield the powers of the other two.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Oh and a 10% rerir no diffed Varka, a man comparable to the captain lol

Spoiler

Varka
My squad took heavy injuries, and I barely made it out alive myself. We knew it might have been our last chance, so we staked everything on it... But still, it wasn't enough to stop him.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

This was said of 10% rerir lmao and I was correct once again

Spoiler

Varka
To my knowledge, the bulk of Nod-Krai's fighting force is already gathered here. But even with everyone united, we're still no match for Rerir in his current state — let alone with his power still growing.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Exactly and Alice confirmed this in her analogy calling her an observer:

many ecologists find it emotionally overwhelming when they observe the animal kingdom and see the predators hunting and the prey fleeing — but they'll never interfere in the process. Instead, they allow the laws of nature to take precedence over their own emotions.

The Cn is more clear on these issues by calling outlanders and special cases, their Cons fake. This is a term they specifically used for the traveler

命之座（伪）：旅人座
“Constellation (False): Traveler’s Constellation”

Outlanders beyond the bounds of this world

Spoiler

Arlecchino
In the Crimson Moon era — or so the story goes — there was an orphanage that received children from beyond the bounds of this world and subjected them to a peculiar induction ceremony

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

Oh and a 10% rerir no diffed Varka, a man comparable to the captain lol

Spoiler

Varka
My squad took heavy injuries, and I barely made it out alive myself. We knew it might have been our last chance, so we staked everything on it... But still, it wasn't enough to stop him.

He ain't

 

[Voidnether]

Oh and a 10% rerir no diffed Varka, a man comparable to the captain lol

Spoiler

Varka
My squad took heavy injuries, and I barely made it out alive myself. We knew it might have been our last chance, so we staked everything on it... But still, it wasn't enough to stop him.

If Varka is comparable to the Captain instead of them both together just having a tea party, you know that Eula, Diluc, and everyone else would scale given Eula fought Varka personally in one of her voiceline and Diluc escaping like the Fatui Harbingers on his character story

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

@Puppet43
And Rerir survived because of the abyss and thus I was alive, the abyss kept him alive not that he was cursed by ronova

Spoiler

Without the power of the Abyss on his side, he almost certainly would have perished the moment he was torn apart. But the Abyss, much like a curse, has kept him alive...
Dainsleif
...I could not agree more. The power of the Abyss is most surely a curse.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Spoiler

Rerir is a complete manifestation of Abyssal power and can't be rid not even by the power of three moon. I was right once again

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Spoiler

They only defeated him by using his own powers against him lmao, so the entire cast which includes an amped Columbina, Durin and Albedo couldn't do jack shit by their own powers. They only defeated him by using his own power against him. Even then he isn't dead but pushed into the Moon Gate.

 

[Puppet43]

They were turned into hilichurl because the curse of wilderness affects half blooded Khaenri'ans who tried to flee. None of the Sinners were turned into abyssal creatures or hilichurl so.

Yeah, because they were pure blooded

Consider the fact that a 10% rerir is capable of rivaling anyone in teyvat per lore and archon quest.

I wont say anything because of leaks, but Nefer something something him lol

Nothing indicates In the lore that surtalogi was affected and removed the curse nor is rhinedottir ever protrayed with such curse

Why would they show a cutscene of one of the Sinners of Khaenri'ah having the curse, when should be common sense since they are, guess what, Khaenri'ahns

rivaling vs being stronger than the world and have the capacity of destroying the world.

U mean the 6.1 Trailer? they said Rerir was equal to the world at his greatest, so yeah why u are all acting as if Sinners, shades and sovereings werent equals?

Cope.

Not really cope, unless u can verificate the canonicity of the Skirk trailer visual and quantificate the Sword statment, my point would still stand

who's in her prime now has a chance to beat that 10%.

Nah, dude, thats cope, Traveler is currently above Archons and still him alone wasnt enough

Lost? What lost?

Ig he is talking about the goat Durin, which yeah, needed the strongest archon, amped dragon, entire knights and 2 gods lmao

And traveler already denies that.

He denies the fact of him wanting "THE TITLE"

 

[Puppet43]

Eula fought Varka personally in one of her voiceline

Eula said Varka was holding back

Diluc escaping like the Fatui Harbingers on his character story

We dont know which Harbinger he fought, bare minimun is him fighting someone at Liyue Childe lvl

 

[MSahla]

His weapon literally looks like Festering Desire.

 

[MSahla]

Bro finally got signature weapon after 5 years

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Yeah, because they were pure blooded

Yet none of them are in a state of rot or decay unlike Capitano. None of them are physically suffering or in endless pain lol.

"The Captain": The people of Khaenri'ah committed grave sins, and for that we were cursed to suffer endless physical torment, cursed to witness the demise of everything we held dear. "The Captain": But, most of us were innocent. Most of us knew nothing of the Five Sinners' exploitation of Abyssal power... myself included.

I wont say anything because of leaks, but Nefer something something him lol

Are you suggesting Nefer is stronger than Dain, Traveler and Columbina, because that is a restarted take and even then that something something was limited to small amount of time.

Why would they show a cutscene of one of the Sinners of Khaenri'ah having the curse, when should be common sense since they are, guess what, Khaenri'ahns

Khaenrians who possesses a transcendental nature that transcend fate* clear distinctintion as mentioned above none of the shown a single sign of the curse of immortality. Luna II shows us Rerir immortality comes from the abyss and not the curse. So we already have two confirmed sinners without the curse.

The fact that it is fate that khaenrians are cursed with immortality and sinners are above fate already proves they werent cursed to begin with. in The visionary own words '' Go forth, become a trascendent one, rise above the fate bestowed upon you''. Being transcendent is equated with being beyond fate therefore each sinner shouldn't be affected by it.

Not really cope, unless u can verificate the canonicity of the Skirk trailer visual and quantificate the Sword statment, my point would still stand

The canonicity is literally confirmed in Skirk character story. He is stated to be the greatest calamity in the universe and Vedrfolnir also confirmed this; Sin infests the firmament, calamity unfurls across the universe.


Not to mention, he destroyed a weapon forced with the resources of an entire star system which should scale far higher than 3 celestial bodies and his superiority to a being that devoured planets and stars before.

Surtalogi applying this to himself btw;
From the Orion Arm to the Eternal Jahanam, from the Torrents of Time to the depths of the Starry Sea...
"How far is 'beyond'? Any place in this universe is just as boring as my backyard," he said.
"The scale of everything beyond follows the heart," Ike replied. "Thus, my heart is slightly bigger than the entire universe."

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Yet none of them are in a state of rot or decay unlike Capitano. None of them are physically suffering or in endless pain lol.

"The Captain": The people of Khaenri'ah committed grave sins, and for that we were cursed to suffer endless physical torment, cursed to witness the demise of everything we held dear. "The Captain": But, most of us were innocent. Most of us knew nothing of the Five Sinners' exploitation of Abyssal power... myself included.

Are you suggesting Nefer is stronger than Dain, Traveler and Columbina, because that is a restarted take and even then that something something was limited to small amount of time.

Khaenrians who possesses a transcendental nature that transcend fate* clear distinctintion as mentioned above none of the shown a single sign of the curse of immortality. Luna II shows us Rerir immortality comes from the abyss and not the curse. So we already have two confirmed sinners without the curse.

The fact that it is fate that khaenrians are cursed with immortality and sinners are above fate already proves they werent cursed to begin with. in The visionary own words '' Go forth, become a trascendent one, rise above the fate bestowed upon you''. Being transcendent is equated with being beyond fate therefore each sinner shouldn't be affected by it.

The canonicity is literally confirmed in Skirk character story. He is stated to be the greatest calamity in the universe and Vedrfolnir also confirmed this; Sin infests the firmament, calamity unfurls across the universe.


Not to mention, he destroyed a weapon forced with the resources of an entire star system which should scale far higher than 3 celestial bodies and his superiority to a being that devoured planets and stars before.

Surtalogi applying this to himself btw;
From the Orion Arm to the Eternal Jahanam, from the Torrents of Time to the depths of the Starry Sea...
"How far is 'beyond'? Any place in this universe is just as boring as my backyard," he said.
"The scale of everything beyond follows the heart," Ike replied. "Thus, my heart is slightly bigger than the entire universe."

There is a reason, why Genshin decided to showcase Surtalogi destroying celestial bodies to show how strong he is. You wouldn't made one single complain if it was hsr destroying a planet and reject it as muh visual LMAO.

 

[MSahla]

There is a reason, why Genshin decided to showcase Surtalogi destroying celestial bodies to show how strong he is. You wouldn't made one single complain if it was hsr destroying a planet and reject it as muh visual LMAO.

Well first of all, wheres the context if thats him? That shi was just an impact frame with absolutely no context or even surtalogi was visible in there

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

There is a reason, why Genshin decided to showcase Surtalogi destroying celestial bodies to show how strong he is. You wouldn't made one single complain if it was hsr destroying a planet and reject it as muh visual LMAO.

@Puppet43
In Star Oddessy, he sliced open the universe which is even outside where the moons are located. Yall gave saitama 3-B for performing similar feat.

 

[Furina003]

I think, it clear what the surtalogi is saying?
Skirk cannot become a descender because she is still bound by the fate of the world.

The description of the short animation also explains that in the Vedrfolnir prophecy, Skirk is part of the world's predetermined destiny, which the surtalogi will lead her to Teyvat.

And we must also remember that there are three fate systems in Genshin: Mundana, Humana, and Instrumentalis.

 

[Furina003]

@Puppet43
In Star Oddessy, he sliced open the universe which is even outside where the moons are located. Yall gave saitama 3-B for performing similar feat.

skirk, sovereign, shade, sinners, will be tier 3A

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I think, it clear what the surtalogi is saying?
Skirk cannot become a descender because she is still bound by the fate of the world.

he said, she is not a descender because she doesn't have the power yet to open the border. Skirk herself doesn't interact with the world to be classified as descender. According to Rene, an outsider can become a descender so this shouldn't be the case. Skirk will 99% likely become one.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Well first of all, wheres the context if thats him? That shi was just an impact frame with absolutely no context or even surtalogi was visible in there

Here

And the fact that it shows debris of the celestial bodies within the same frame.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

skirk, sovereign, shade, sinners, will be tier 3A

AYYYYYY

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Here

And the fact that it shows debris of the celestial bodies within the same frame.

Frame by frame within the context of the celestial bodies, he destroyed, also shows the aftermath of said destruction; the debris.