Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[The_Tetromino_King]

The Visionary time hax> the Shade of time Hax:
Vedrfolnir was able to see the future of someone of someone who lived at the other side of the galaxy and that stars will bow in her honor.

 

[Puppet43]

The Visionary time hax> the Shade of time Hax:
Vedrfolnir was able to see the future of someone of someone who lived at the other side of the galaxy and that stars will bow in her honor.

Precognition hax vs Omniscient + Omnipresent (Istaroth)

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Precognition hax vs Omniscient + Omnipresent (Istaroth)

Her omniscience and omnipresence is only limited to Teyvat tho, it doesn't even reach Khaenriah.

Plus since the visionary is the blasphemy of time and his hax can reach beyond teyvat, all his time hax should potentially be beyond teyvat as well.

 

[Puppet43]

limited to Teyvat

it doesn't even reach Khaenriah

That is the equivalent of saying "is limited to the Earth, it doesnt even reach India"

• Not to mention that range doesnt equal hax power
• Or the fact that is never stated to be limited to Teyvat any time
• Or the fact she her range is litterally that off time, immeasurable reach lol

the blasphemy of time

Being a blasphemy doesnt mean their powers are equals, in fact Rerir whole blasphemy thing is most likely because OF RONOVA HERSELF AND THE CURSE

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

That is the equivalent of saying "is limited to the Earth, it doesnt even reach India"

Does Istaroth omnipresence reach the entirety of the planet or just continent teyvat according to Lore? because time flows differently in khaenriah and teyvat.

• Not to mention that range doesnt equal hax power

• Or the fact that is never stated to be limited to Teyvat any time

It is, The laws are universally applied only in teyvat and they aren't outside of teyvat.

Heavenly Principles

The Heavenly Principles,[Note 2] also known as the Primordial One and possibly named Phanes, is the First Descender and current ruler of Teyvat. They[Note 3] are credited as the creator god who created humankind, as well as the Human Realm at large. Though rarely intervening directly, they...

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• Or the fact she her range is litterally that off time, immeasurable reach lol

can you show one scan that her hax extends outside of Teyvat>

Being a blasphemy doesnt mean their powers are equals, in fact Rerir whole blasphemy thing is most likely because OF RONOVA HERSELF AND THE CURSE

Rerir wasn't cursed, he said it himself, he still existed by his OWN WILL and not of any curse. The fact it is also stated rules and even death can't reach the wild hunt which is Rerir.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Does Istaroth omnipresence reach the entirety of the planet or just continent teyvat according to Lore? because time flows differently in khaenriah and teyvat.


It is, The laws are universally applied only in teyvat and they aren't outside of teyvat.

Heavenly Principles

The Heavenly Principles,[Note 2] also known as the Primordial One and possibly named Phanes, is the First Descender and current ruler of Teyvat. They[Note 3] are credited as the creator god who created humankind, as well as the Human Realm at large. Though rarely intervening directly, they...

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can you show one scan that her hax extends outside of Teyvat>

Rerir wasn't cursed, he said it himself, he still existed by his OWN WILL and not of any curse. And you are right they aren't equal in powers because Dains stated a single Sinner could emerge victorious against the cataclysm. Not once is it stated a shade can destroy teyvat.

There is a reason, why descenders and outlanders are unaffected by the laws of teyvat. This shouldn't be the case if their laws extend beyond Teyvat. The fact that the abyss is as well unaffected by the laws of H.P due to the fact is a power outside of teyvat.

 

[Puppet43]

because time flows differently in khaenriah and teyvat.

No, it quite doesn't

It is, The laws are universally applied only in teyvat and they aren't outside of teyvat.

Where it is mention in the link u sent? OHHHH NOWHERE, GENIUS

can you show one scan that her hax extends outside of Teyvat>

Again, why would Range be equal to the Hax power
We have 2 characters with Time Manipulation

• Character A has a Galaxy lvl of Range but barely can stop time for 4 seconds
• Character B has planetary lvl of range but can Rewind, Accelerate, Manipulate the entire flow of the Time Dimension, and stop time for eternity

Based on ur logic character a is stronger because of the reach

Rerir wasn't cursed, he said it himself

Rerir is from Khaenri'ah, Khaenriahns are cursed with Immortality => Rerir was cursed and mearly survive thanks to the curse

"Rächer of Solnari": My body was once torn into countless pieces and hurled into the swirling chaos of time itself. But even so, my life and will were not extinguished.

OFC MAN UR LIFE AND WILL WERENT TURN OFF, BECAUSE U WERE CURSED

The fact it is also stated rules and even death can't reach the wild hunt which is Rerir.

Thats nowhere stated...

why descenders and outlanders are unaffected by the laws of teyvat

Because Irminsul rejects them (racism)

The fact that the abyss is as well unaffected

"Abyss" and "Unaffected" as if in most nations the Abyss didn't consist of small pockets (as of rn) with the exception of Natlan because of Weaken Lord of the Night back in the AQ and Nod Krai because Rerir's doing
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Tetromino King doing everything in his hand to dih ride the Sinner that has no screen time

 

[MSahla]

The Visionary time hax> the Shade of time Hax:
Vedrfolnir was able to see the future of someone of someone who lived at the other side of the galaxy and that stars will bow in her honor.

Pfffftt, that ain't not make him superior than Istaroth buddy.
The Laws of the Heavenly Principles are not only works on Teyvat, Skirk being bound by the constellation is enough to prove that.

"You speak of the universal law created in heaven, the divine laws established in the beginning."
"No one has seen the eternal law, yet it governs all."

By Literally.

Does Istaroth omnipresence reach the entirety of the planet or just continent teyvat according to Lore? because time flows differently in khaenriah and teyvat.

can you show one scan that her hax extends outside of Teyvat>

Yes, in the God's Limits trailer when the shades searching for Asmoday in that space created by Asmoday, she already knows since the beginning that Asmoday wasn't there. And Ronova was like "why didn't you just tell us already"

And in that trailer also shows that Her Omnipresent can reach beyond the false sky. we can see it by her with the other shades beyond the false sky she notices Pierro's present in Teyvat. And again, even Ronova didn't notice it until Istaroth told her.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Pfffftt, that ain't not make him superior than Istaroth buddy.
The Laws of the Heavenly Principles are not only works on Teyvat, Skirk being bound by the constellation is enough to prove that.

Where in the lore is it stated that Skirk is bound by constellations?

By Literally.

Doesn't prove by the slightest that his laws is outside of teyvat. Universal doesn't mean universe in all cases because it could mean in general or everywhere. Stop forcing powerscaling in the text.

Yes, in the God's Limits trailer when the shades searching for Asmoday in that space created by Asmoday, she already knows since the beginning that Asmoday wasn't there. And Ronova was like "why didn't you just tell us already"

Proof that the space is outside of teyvat rather than inside of it?

And in that trailer also shows that Her Omnipresent can reach beyond the false sky. we can see it by her with the other shades beyond the false sky she notices Pierro's present in Teyvat. And again, even Ronova didn't notice it until Istaroth told her.

That is because it is their meeting space, this is where istaroth physically meet, it is literally no different than Eternity being omnipresent in the cosmos while having an appearance in the abstract realm.

This shit is str8 up headcanon. So is ronova and Rhinedottir also omnipresent for being in the same location as Istaroth?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Rerir is from Khaenri'ah, Khaenriahns are cursed with Immortality => Rerir was cursed and mearly survive thanks to the curse

Newsflash the sinners weren't even in Khaenri'ah when ronova cursed them lmao. There is also no indicator that her curse affect transcendental beings consider the fact surtalogi didn't had the curse and he himself had the power to remove the curse.

OFC MAN UR LIFE AND WILL WERENT TURN OFF, BECAUSE U WERE CURSED

Ts so stupid... he survived because of his will and the fact he is the Blasphemy of death.

 

[MSahla]

Where in the lore is it stated that Skirk is bound by constellations?

Lmao, Do you even realized she has a constellation even in her in-game profile? Her constellation name is Crystallina and she still bound by fate because she's destined to cross a path with Surtalogi even before he left Teyvat, thats just mean Teyvat's fate influenced someone's fate from another planet.

People who bound by this fate system usually have fancy Constellation, like Skirk's is Crystallina means Crystalline, Princeps Cretaceus means Chalk Prince and so on.

If you want a great example of someone who doesn't bound by fate/constellation and has its own fate is Neuvillette himself.

Doesn't prove by the slightest that his laws is outside of teyvat. Universal doesn't mean universe in all cases because it could mean in general or everywhere. Stop forcing powerscaling in the text.

"Universal laws and governs all"
Ah yeah.. Even Surtalogi and Skirk still bound by this Fate System

Proof that the space is outside of teyvat rather than inside of it?

??
This is literally somewhere in outerspace, why would that be in Teyvat? You can't even prove its in Teyvat lmao.

That is because it is their meeting space, this is where istaroth physically meet, it is literally no different than Eternity being omnipresent in the cosmos while having an appearance in the abstract realm.

This shit is str8 up headcanon. So is ronova and Rhinedottir also omnipresent for being in the same location as Istaroth?

??
It ain't no headcanon because thats just what it is based on what they show.
Also, i aint saying rhine and ronova also omnipresent, irrelevant to what im talking about.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Lmao, Do you even realized she has a constellation even in her in-game profile? Her constellation name is Crystallina and she still bound by fate because she's destined to cross a path with Surtalogi even before he left Teyvat, thats just mean Teyvat's fate influenced someone's fate from another planet.

That is just in game mechanics, otherwise you also concede that neuvilette, Traveler and outlanders have a constellation which is contrary to the lore.

"Universal laws and governs all"
Ah yeah.. Even Surtalogi and Skirk still bound by this Fate System

It doesn't govern the abyss so cope harder but muh govern all.

Also Surtalogi is literally stated to be unbound by fate in skirk story and also by the visionary who can't be wrong.

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」

“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”

Vedrfolnir is clear that Surtalogi is a free man and no one can restricts his freedom, this includes the fate system.

藐视命运的人曾从命运的手中带走一名少女。

“A person who defied fate once took a girl from the hands of destiny.”

??
This is literally somewhere in outerspace, why would that be in Teyvat? You can't even prove its in Teyvat lmao.


??
It ain't no headcanon because thats just what it is based on what they show.
Also, i aint saying rhine and ronova also omnipresent, irrelevant to what im talking about.

Pov teyvat doesn't have a starry sky but okay

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Tetromino King doing everything in his hand to dih ride the Sinner that has no screen time

Each sinner by their own self have the capacity to destroy teyvat something that not even the shades can do.

Dain says the presence of one sinner could’ve prevented the tragedies in the cataclysm

Surtalogi destroyed a weapon forged with a star system ans absorbed its power

Surtalogi in the trailer negs 3 celestial bodies.

Muh featless.

 

[MSahla]

That is just in game mechanics, otherwise you also concede that neuvilette, Traveler and outlanders have a constellation which is contrary to the lore.

Yet they already explained of why they're not bound by it lmao.

Like this one from Neuvillettte:

"Thus did he, in the end, come into his own "fate." The skies had left a special, ennobled place for him, one reserved for the overseers and those who could defy the world itself — that of his own reflection."

"But why, then, is his constellation the image of the great leviathan? Well, this leads us to a more mundane explanation for the situation, one quite separate from grave matters of the world's fate:

"As the one named "Neuvillette," he would often be roped by Melusines (especially Sigewinne) into a bit of astrology via The Steambird's constellation columns or astrology guides from Sumeru. Would it really do, at that point, to tell them that he "didn't have a constellation" or that his own constellation was just "Neuvillette"?

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」

“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”

Vedrfolnir is clear that Surtalogi is a free man and no one can restricts his freedom, this includes the fate system.
藐视命运的人曾从命运的手中带走一名少女。
“A person who defied fate once took a girl from the hands of destiny.”

Now we should differentiate between "Unbound" and "Defied".
Defied fate is not necessarily means unbound by Fate.

Like in Arlecchino miscellany, Dainsleif said this:
"In my long journey, i have seen many fight to defy fate, and Arlecchino is one of them. And she seems to have succeeded, The fiery blood that corrodes her flesh has eaten away too, at the shackles that once bound her."
Now this is just means that Arlecchino is free from her ill-fate which is her curse yet she still bound by fate because she still have a constellation (Ignis Purgatorius)

Defied fate can also means you can avoid your bad fate. Another example for this is Mona, she is able to use the phantom facsimile to ward off her imminent ill-fate.

"Defied" and "Unbound", these two words have no connection either.

Pov teyvat doesn't have a starry sky but okay

??

 

[Puppet43]

Newsflash the sinners weren't even in Khaenri'ah when ronova cursed them

Doesnt mean a thing, they were countless Khaenri'ah hybrids around Teyvat and guess what, they got turn into Hilichurls....
Is just racism

There is also no indicator that her curse affect transcendental beings

They themselfs (Shades) are trascendent beings, so why wouldn't affect another beings at their lvl?

consider the fact surtalogi didn't had the curse and he himself had the power to remove the curse.

U answer urself, he has Curse Removal hax, simple as that. Meanwhile there no indication of other sinner had quitted the Curse (Except for Rhinne, since she is a shade bla bla bla)

he survived because of his will

And the will came from his immo which came from his curse

Muh featless.

Each sinner by their own self have the capacity to destroy teyvat something that not even the shades can do.

So yk Sovereings, like Neuvi, Xiuh, Apep and Nibe? They have also "Rivaling the world", Moon creation and Sun Cretion feats, and guess who where equal to these lizards..... THE SHADES

Dain says the presence of one sinner could’ve prevented the tragedies in the cataclysm

When does Dain suggest that?
Dainsleif: And when the cataclysm occurred, not one of them stood up in defense of their nation, not one came forward to prevent the tragedy... And for that, they shall never have my forgiveness.
In fact, the cataclysm is litterally the consequence of them rooting for Abyssal power, why would they stop it?
Negative Narrative sense

Surtalogi destroyed a weapon forged with a star system ans absorbed its power

Unquantificable low key

Surtalogi in the trailer negs 3 celestial bodies.

"Visuals"

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Yet they already explained of why they're not bound by it lmao.

Like this one from Neuvillettte:

"Thus did he, in the end, come into his own "fate." The skies had left a special, ennobled place for him, one reserved for the overseers and those who could defy the world itself — that of his own reflection."

"But why, then, is his constellation the image of the great leviathan? Well, this leads us to a more mundane explanation for the situation, one quite separate from grave matters of the world's fate:

"As the one named "Neuvillette," he would often be roped by Melusines (especially Sigewinne) into a bit of astrology via The Steambird's constellation columns or astrology guides from Sumeru. Would it really do, at that point, to tell them that he "didn't have a constellation" or that his own constellation was just "Neuvillette"?

doesn't explain why Aether have a constellation.

Literally means he is playing a big part in fate by sending Skirk to Teyvat. Once again Vedrfolnir can't be wrong and he stated nothing can restrict Surtalogi anymore.

Now we should differentiate between "Unbound" and "Defied".
Defied fate is not necessarily means unbound by Fate.

Like in Arlecchino miscellany, Dainsleif said this:
"In my long journey, i have seen many fight to defy fate, and Arlecchino is one of them. And she seems to have succeeded, The fiery blood that corrodes her flesh has eaten away too, at the shackles that once bound her."
Now this is just means that Arlecchino is free from her ill-fate which is het curse yet she still bound by fate because she still have a constellation.

Defied fate can also means you can avoid your bad fate. Another example for this is Mona, she is able to use the phantom facsimile to ward off her imminent ill-fate.

"Defied" and "Unbound", these two words have no connection either.

Not the same interpretation or context. The fact Surtalogi says fate bends to him and the fact Vedrfolnir claimed nothing can restrict him anymore, he is a free man therefore isn't bounded by fate. Vedrfolnir can't be wrong.

 

[MSahla]

Literally means he is playing a big part in fate by sending Skirk to Teyvat. Once again Vedrfolnir can't be wrong and he stated nothing can restrict Surtalogi anymore.

The same guy who's still "destined" btw.

Not the same interpretation or context. The fact Surtalogi says fate bends to him

Self-proclaimed, maybe he can do what mona can do (avoiding ill-fate)

and the fact Vedrfolnir claimed nothing can restrict him anymore,

he is a free man therefore isn't bounded by fate.

Nothing can support these two.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Doesnt mean a thing, they were countless Khaenri'ah hybrids around Teyvat and guess what, they got turn into Hilichurls....
Is just racism

They were turned into hilichurl because the curse of wilderness affects half blooded Khaenri'ans who tried to flee. None of the Sinners were turned into abyssal creatures or hilichurl so.

They themselfs (Shades) are trascendent beings, so why wouldn't affect another beings at their lvl?

U answer urself, he has Curse Removal hax, simple as that. Meanwhile there no indication of other sinner had quitted the Curse (Except for Rhinne, since she is a shade bla bla bla)

Nothing indicates In the lore that surtalogi was affected and removed the curse nor is rhinedottir ever protrayed with such curse. Rerir confirmed he existed by his own will not because of a curse. The wild hunt description according to the walking moon webevent is said "where death doesn't reach" so ronova doesn't even reach Rerir.

So yk Sovereings, like Neuvi, Xiuh, Apep and Nibe? They have also "Rivaling the world", Moon creation and Sun Cretion feats, and guess who where equal to these lizards..... THE SHADES

rivaling vs being stronger than the world and have the capacity of destroying the world.

Consider the fact that a 10% rerir is capable of rivaling anyone in teyvat per lore and archon quest. Is sad asf for Neuvilette and sovereogns

Unquantificable low key

"Visuals"

Cope.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The same guy who's still "destined" btw.

No where said. The context is very clear according to the second clause that his fate is to this world by sending Skirk to teyvat.

Literally the second clause: Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future." And by this sense his fate is to this world.

—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

And again Vedrfolnir can't be wrong.

Self-proclaimed, maybe he can do what mona can do (avoiding ill-fate)


Nothing can support these two.

That is cope when both English and Cn says the exact same lol. No one means no one

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」



“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”



Sin infests the firmament, calamity unfurls across the universe. You are free, and none now may proscribe you — yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world. Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future."

"What? Me, a student? Such misfortune — for them, I mean... whenever they show up."



—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

 

[MSahla]

No where said. The context is very clear according to the second clause that his fate is to this world by sending Skirk to teyvat.

Literally the second clause: Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future." And by this sense his fate is to this world.

—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

And again Vedrfolnir can't be wrong.

That is cope when both English and Cn says the exact same lol. No one means no one

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」



“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”


Sin infests the firmament, calamity unfurls across the universe. You are free, and none now may proscribe you — yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world. Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future."

"What? Me, a student? Such misfortune — for them, I mean... whenever they show up."

—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

Do you even hear yourself while reading these?
"What? Me, a student? Such misfortune — for them, I mean... whenever they show up."
"yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world"

I dont care if you use the CN one here buddy, they're still the same.
You gave me what Vedrfolnir said that Surtalogi is free and nothing can stop him yet after that line Vedrfolnir literally said yet you still boumd by this world's fate lmao.

Him being free can means he can do anything what he wants now.

 

[MSahla]

rivaling vs being stronger than the world and have the capacity of destroying the world.

The Sovereigns also have the capacity of destroying the world? Why you talk abt.

Consider the fact that a 10% rerir is capable of rivaling anyone in teyvat per lore and archon quest. Is sad asf for Neuvilette and sovereogns

No he's not?
He needs that Cannon to shoot at him so he can regaining his strength "Immeasurably"

"I have adapted to the strength and flow of this kuuvahki. The next cannon shot will multiply my strength immeasurably."
"It will not be a full restoration, no. But it will be more than enough to destroy any in this world who stand in my way"

and he failed to get that multiply strength

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

No where said. The context is very clear according to the second clause that his fate is to this world by sending Skirk to teyvat.

Literally the second clause: Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future." And by this sense his fate is to this world.

—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

And again Vedrfolnir can't be wrong.



That is cope when both English and Cn says the exact same lol. No one means no one

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」



“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”



Sin infests the firmament, calamity unfurls across the universe. You are free, and none now may proscribe you — yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world. Indeed, you shall send your disciple here in the near future."

"What? Me, a student? Such misfortune — for them, I mean... whenever they show up."



—Vedrfolnir "The Visionary" & Surtalogi "The Foul"

Her character story confirms this and thus I this sense Surtalogi fate is in this world by sending her disciple.

From that moment on, a great darkness had loomed over the whole forest — the shadow her master cast over the universe at large.

All across the sea of stars, other civilizations that saw her naturally regarded her as an ally of "The Foul."

Every community she encountered during her travels took her for a member of the "Cosmic Calamity," and kept their distance in wary defense.

Do you even hear yourself while reading these?
"What? Me, a student? Such misfortune — for them, I mean... whenever they show up."
"yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world"

You gave me what Vedrfolnir said that Surtalogi is free and nothing can stop him yet after that line Vedrfolnir literally said yet you still boumd by this world's fate lmao.

Him being free can means he can do anything what he wants now.

I already explained it and skirk character story confirms this. His fate is intertwined in teyvat because he send Skirk. Notice how the second clause is entirely dependent of the first clause. Sending skirk to teyvat is an entire Dependent clause to the "your fate is deeply intertwined to this world". The first clause doesn't stand alone since it is followed by him sending Skirk to the world. Otherwise the entire sentence doesn't make sense.

Not to mention the genshin lore repeatedly confirms he is transcendent, free, despises and defies fate

Her character story confirms this;



From that moment on, a great darkness had loomed over the whole forest — the shadow her master cast over the universe at large.



All across the sea of stars, other civilizations that saw her naturally regarded her as an ally of "The Foul."



Every community she encountered during her travels took her for a member of the "Cosmic Calamity," and kept their distance in wary defense.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The Sovereigns also have the capacity of destroying the world? Why you talk abt.

Can you show source that a single sovereign is capable of doing so?

No he's not?
He needs that Cannon to shoot at him so he can regaining his strength "Immeasurably"

"I have adapted to the strength and flow of this kuuvahki. The next cannon shot will multiply my strength immeasurably."
"It will not be a full restoration, no. But it will be more than enough to destroy any in this world who stand in my way"

and he failed to get that multiply strength

Is that why the livestream protrayed a 10% rerir as the greatest crisis the world and that varka needed every faction in nod krai to fight against Rerir?

 

[MSahla]

I already explained it and skirk character story confirms this. His fate is intertwined in teyvat because he send Skirk.

No? It was destined that HE WILL send Skirk to Teyvat, not because he comeback to Teyvat and then intertwined again lmao.

Can you even read?

you shall send your disciple here in the near future

Not to mention the genshin lore repeatedly confirms he is transcendent, free, despises and defies fate

As i explained before, Defied not necessarily unbound by it.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

No? It was destined that HE WILL send Skirk to Teyvat, not because he comeback to Teyvat and then intertwined again lmao.

Never stated that so concession accepted.

Can you even read?

Can you because the context is quite clear, contextually and grammatically. That his fate to this world is intertwined because he will send skirk to thisbworld

As i explained before, Defied not necessarily unbound by it.

In this context it is. He is a free man and no one will restrict him. Can the same be said with Mona and other other character?

 

[MSahla]

Can you show source that a single sovereign is capable of doing so?

Yeah, the Hydro Dragon Sovereign can just drowned the whole planet with the Primordial Sea and killed all living beings.
The Pyro Dragon who can create device with his power can nuke the entire planet and even the abyss cannot invade the planet anymore.

Is that why the livestream protrayed a 10% rerir as the greatest crisis the world and that varka needed every faction in nod krai to fight against Rerir?

Lmao, What Lauma knows about the world that even she said Rerir is the greatest crisis of the world? Does she ever experience The Cataclysm by her own? Does she ever experience The Great War of Vengeance before? Thats just some bullshit and hyperbole ahh statement.

And duhh? of course they need a lot of factions to beat Rerir because everybody knows how dangerous is the Sinners.

 

[MSahla]

Never stated that so concession accepted.

What are u talking about buddy

Can you because the context is quite clear, contextually and grammatically. That his fate to this world is intertwined because he will send skirk to thisbworld.

Thats just means he's still bound by fate especially Teyvat's fate lmao, he doesn't have his own fate nor does it ever stated so.

"Yet your destiny remains bound to that of this world"

In this context it is. He is a free man and no one will restrict him. Can the same be said with Mona and other other character?

That sentence proves nothing.
If that kind of statement can grant you Immune to Fate, buddy most of the fiction even low tier will get that already

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Yeah, the Hydro Dragon Sovereign can just drowned the whole with the Primordial Sea.

Source?

The Pyro Dragon who can create device with his power can nuke the entire planet and even the abyss cannot invade the planet anymore.

So he can only destroy teyvat with prep time and by creating a device and not by his own strength?

Lmao, What Lauma knows about the world that even she said Rerir is the greatest crisis of the world? Does she ever experience The Cataclysm by her own? Does she ever experience The Great War of Vengeance before? Thats just some bullshit and hyperbole ahh statement.

lots of characters haven't experienced anything regarding the history of sovereigns or shades yet you don't disregard any of them.

And duhh? of course they need a lot of factions to beat Rerir because everybody knows how dangerous is the Sinners.

And that is just 10% being a world threat.

 

[MSahla]

Source?

"This ancient power can easily oblirerated an entire race. The Tsunami of fury, will unleash endless catastrophe" — Neuvillette.

So he can only destroy teyvat with prep time and by creating a device and not by his own strength?

Guess who's power inside that device.

lots of characters haven't experienced anything regarding the history of sovereigns or shades yet you don't disregard any of them.

???

And that is just 10% being a world threat.

A single nation threat more like, Archon like Raiden who's in her prime now has a chance to beat that 10%.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

"This ancient power can easily oblirerated an entire race. The Tsunami of fury, will unleash endless catastrophe" — Neuvillette.

Since when is race equated with the entirety of teyvat?

Guess who's power inside that device.

Provide source.

Also doesn't the device directly destroy natlan and the abyss in natlan and indirectly and slowly destroy the rest of teyvat. The device isn't destroying the entire teyvat directly but it takes time to destroy.

???

A single nation threat more like, Archon like Raiden who's in her prime now has a chance to beat that 10%.

The same archons that lost to the creation of a pre abyssal sinner? Mind you Aether was nearly killed by Rerir, was whom was amped by the moon marrow and is practically a moon goddess not to mention according to columbina analogy being a moon goddess should be the same as an archon achieving a gnosis. Aether also defeated an archon level threat Skofnungr together with Skirk. Raiden doing nothing, all she does is hide in her realm.

 

[MSahla]

Since when is race equated with the entirety of teyvat?

"An entire race"

Provide source.

Also doesn't the device directly destroy natlan and the abyss in natlan and indirectly and slowly destroy the rest of teyvat. The device isn't destroying the entire teyvat directly but it takes time to destroy.

Huitzilopochtli: Collision... gather... Final... complete...
Huitzilopochtli: ...destroyed, and thus welcome...
Huitzilopochtli: The moment of rebirth.

Before you stretches a world of pure white.
None can know what light means in this realm, for it permeates every corner.
Nor does time retain any meaning — ten million years pass in what seems but a moment.
..."It," or something that was once "it," is the sole remaining consciousness.
This is a world the shadow can never again threaten, but is it a world with any meaning?
"It" knows that the primal flame is not inexhaustible, though it shall burn for billions of years in this dark cosmic sea.
Sometimes, "it" recalls, as if in a dream, travels it once embarked on alongside two companions when the land was still tangible.
Holding onto these memories, "it" thinks it might yet endure the torment until death comes upon eternity's far shore.
Still, "it" recalls, time and again...

The same archons that lost to the creation of a pre abyssal sinner?

Lost? What lost?

Mind you Aether was nearly killed by Rerir, was whom was amped by the moon marrow and is practically a moon goddess not to mention according to columbina analogy being a moon goddess should be the same as an archon achieving a gnosis.

Aether was getting weakened after he blocked that Cannon with Flins, thats why Sandrone and Pulonia pulled up to fight Rerir instead.

Columbina is just using Archon with Gnosis analogy to someone with moon marrow, not like the traveler actually become a moon god with the moon marrow inside of him. And traveler already denies that.

Aether also defeated an archon level threat Skofnungr together with Skirk.

I doubt he can beat Skofnungr by himself without Skirk lmao.

Raiden doing nothing, all she does is hide in her realm.

Says who? she can just possess the shogun and fight with that puppet's body.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

A single nation threat more like, Archon like Raiden who's in her prime now has a chance to beat that 10%.

you also do realize that by Varka wanted to team up with all factions should include archon level characters like Dottore and Columbina who is stated to rival gods? The fact that a weakened Columbina who is literally stated to rival gods was being overpowered by a 10 % rerir.

 

[MSahla]

you also do realize that by Varka wanted to team up with all factions should include archon level characters like Dottore and Columbina who is stated to rival gods? The fact that a weakened Columbina who is literally stated to rival gods was being overpowered by a 10 % rerir.

Just wanted to remind you that THAT Rerir in Luna 2 is already more than 10%, Zach confirmed that.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Just wanted to remind you that THAT Rerir in Luna 2 is already more than 10%, Zach confirmed that.

Luna 2 livestream doesn't state he is more than 10% it states he is more powerful. The fact that the same livestream stated that he wasn't even fully actualizing his power since he didn't even considered them as threats, in the cn it was stated they weren't even worthy of his power because he disdain them.

With the fact, he wasn't even using his weapon.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

"An entire race"

That doesn't mean teyvat like what? Teyvat in fact have plenty races. The context of the quote is literally about the Fontainians who s come in contact with primordial sea water, they dissolve.


Within context the quote was regarding the prophecy, thus the race here is only applying to Fontainians:

Neuvillette: A day may come when the prophecy is fulfilled

 

[MSahla]

That doesn't mean teyvat like what? Teyvat in fact have plenty races.

Do you even know what "entire" means.

Luna 2 livestream doesn't state he is more than 10% it states he is more powerful.

This is funny, not more than 10% but more powerful, thats just mean more than 10% lmao.

The fact that the same livestream stated that he wasn't even fully actualizing his power since he didn't even considered them as threats, in the cn it was stated they weren't even worthy of his power because he disdain them.
With the fact, he wasn't even using his weapon.

He used his weapon after he getting stronger lol

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Do you even know what "entire" means.

The context of the quote is literally about the Fontainians who come in contact with primordial sea water, they dissolve hence "This ancient power can easily oblirerated an entire race. The Tsunami of fury, will unleash endless catastrophe"

Within context the quote was regarding the prophecy, thus the race here is only applying to Fontainians:

Neuvillette: A day may come when the prophecy is fulfilled.

You are just grossly quotemining atp. Also entire means whole, it is implying a single whole race. Race doesn't mean Teyvat nor is Teyvat ever described to be composed of a singular race nor does genshin narratively ever implied teyvat = race. ts so stupid

This is funny, not more than 10% but more powerful, thats just mean more than 10% lmao.

Rerir is literally confirmed to not fully actualize his 10% power by the livestream. You can cry about it to the genshin devs.
According to the CN:
“not even regarded us at all due to disdain”
据说，五大罪人瓜分了 足以毁灭世界的深渊力量
“It is said that the Five Great Sinners divided Abyssal power great enough to destroy the world.”

什么？
“What?”

所以，他们本身也是超人般的存在 每一位所掌持的力量都能与世界相匹敌
“Therefore, they themselves are also existences who have surpassed the human entities; the power each of them wields can match the world.”

整个世界吗？

“The whole world? Wow.“

哇哦 是啊…这，可不简单 战斗中的猎月人，可能一开始根本没把咱们放在眼里，不屑动手….
“Yeah… this is not simple. The Moon Hunter in battle might, at first, not even pay attention to us, looking down on taking action…”
]
根本没 - completely didn’t
把…放在眼里 - “consider someone important”

He never used his full 10% power since he doesn't even take us serious. What is so hard to understand this? It doesn't mean he suddenly jumped to a higher % because no where does the livestream suggest that.

He used his weapon after he getting stronger lol

show me where in the livestream, it ever said he is higher than 10%. The archon quest is soon and i am 100% sure you will be so wrong about this. The fact that Rerir himself said that his current non human body can't even access a power higher than 10% of his full power. The fact even in luna 1 Rerir wasn't even at 10% but barely 10%, it means he was only close to 10% but not yet even reach it lmao.

"Rächer of Solnari": Sluggish, torpid... This body is a disappointment.
"Rächer of Solnari": I can barely muster... Tsk, ten percent of my original strength... You've ruined everything, again...
Flins: Let me guess... You didn't get a human body back, did you?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The context of the quote is literally about the Fontainians who come in contact with primordial sea water, they dissolve hence "This ancient power can easily oblirerated an entire race. The Tsunami of fury, will unleash endless catastrophe"

Within context the quote was regarding the prophecy, thus the race here is only applying to Fontainians:

Neuvillette: A day may come when the prophecy is fulfilled.

You are just grossly quotemining atp. Also entire means whole, it is implying a single whole race. Race doesn't mean Teyvat nor is Teyvat ever described to be composed of a singular race nor does genshin narratively ever implied teyvat = race. ts so stupid

@Sahlwrld Not to mention according to the archon quest, the flood did nothing on the Fontainians because they were fully human now. the flood only applies if your race is Oceanids. So the Hydro Sovereign can only destroy an entire race of Oceanids.

According to the prophecy, a day will come when the children of the nation at the Origin of All Waters will hear their verdict, standing before the ancient sea. But as for when this grand trial will occur, let alone what their judgment shall be... the time has yet to come. -Genshin Official.

 

[MSahla]

So the Hydro Sovereign can only destroy an entire race of Oceanids.

False, the flood that we see in the quest are not full of Primordial Sea, just a normal sea water with a little bit of Primordial Sea waters.

The ancient Remurian people were aware of the Primordial Sea's life-granting and life-taking properties, and had a prophecy of their own in which the Primordial Sea would one day swallow all life, and anything which did not originate from it would be filtered out as waste.

Legends say that before the birth of life, there was a dense primordial sea. It is the purest origin of all things, and one day, it will also swallow all life... and those things which did not arise from it will be filtered out, becoming naught but floating detritus.

Rerir is literally confirmed to not fully actualize his 10% power by the livestream. You can cry about it to the genshin devs.
According to the CN:
“not even regarded us at all due to disdain”
据说，五大罪人瓜分了 足以毁灭世界的深渊力量
“It is said that the Five Great Sinners divided Abyssal power great enough to destroy the world.”
什么？
“What?”
所以，他们本身也是超人般的存在 每一位所掌持的力量都能与世界相匹敌
“Therefore, they themselves are also existences who have surpassed the human entities; the power each of them wields can match the world.”
整个世界吗？
“The whole world? Wow.“
哇哦 是啊…这，可不简单 战斗中的猎月人，可能一开始根本没把咱们放在眼里，不屑动手….
“Yeah… this is not simple. The Moon Hunter in battle might, at first, not even pay attention to us, looking down on taking action…”
根本没 - completely didn’t
把…放在眼里 - “consider someone important”
He never used his full 10% power since he doesn't even take us serious. What is so hard to understand this? It doesn't mean he suddenly jumped to a higher % because no where does the livestream suggest that.

Bringing the CN one is pointless buddy because their script is all the same, even i watched the Japanese and understand what they say and basically the same thing as the english one.

 

[Voidnether]

Tetromino was right, it was Skirk who allowed herself to be restricted by the constellation. It doesn't make sense for Skirk to even be restricted by one when she's in another planet where there's no False Sky there. And we know all these constellation stuff is in the False Sky which was described as a starry sky so this supports my argument, even though it's not the starry sky in powerscaling terms that's like 4-A given false sky is just a border to protect Teyvat itself as the planet/continent. If we already agreed that Skirk is way stronger than Neuvillette, would this mean Neuvillette is stronger because he's not restricted by the constellation and instead made his own?