Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Xihicoatl lore in this weapon's lore (leaks)

Xiuhcoatl being mentioned in Nod-Krai is the proof that Nod-Krai or more like Hiisi Island was once part of Natlantea and Xiuhcoatl's Lunar Reconstruction project.

 

[OmniScalator]

I am wondering, when Tarot cards will be officially added to game and genshin universe will be 94 billion ly wide and 14 billion years old will we scale shades to it? Considering Istaroth is the source of all that Time as she is called "Mother of 14 Billion Years"

 

[MSahla]

I am wondering, when Tarot cards will be officially added to game and genshin universe will be 94 billion ly wide and 14 billion years old will we scale shades to it? Considering Istaroth is the source of all that Time as she is called "Mother of 14 Billion Years"

Well.. Unless theres evidence for the other shades i think its only Istaroth, yk, she's omnipresent in time means she's exist in the past and future and even since the very beginning of the universe.

since that Istaroth's Lunar Arcane released, i've been thinking that The Shades were exist even before the Primordial One came to Teyvat, so that narration of Phanes created its own shade could be false, Phanes only brought four of them to Teyvat not created them. What i mean is.. Phanes could already "Created" them even before he came to Teyvat

Not to mention, Istaroth is literally give birth to herself yet she was never born.

O pure and eternal Mother of Time, sovereign who was never born and who shall never die,
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself, O supreme mother,
You are the one stillness within the endless flow, the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods.
May you protect the four imprisoned moons.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Feels like theres still something missing.. What is it i wonder..
Can y'all tell me..

Sahlwrld/Surtalogi

vsbattles.fandom.com

i would tier him as 5-B likely far higher he should be strongest sinner and thus scale above everyone in the verse currently according to profiles

 

[MSahla]

i would tier him as 5-B likely far higher he should be strongest sinner and thus scale above everyone in the verse currently according to profiles

I think so too before.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think so too before.

I was thinking of 5-B possibly 4-C due to resiources of star system statement, but we have no idea if weapon absorbed stars or not so far higher makes more sense

 

[Giannysmag]

I'm not even sure neuvillette is comparable to skirk

 

[MSahla]

I was thinking of 5-B possibly 4-C due to resiources of star system statement, but we have no idea if weapon absorbed stars or not so far higher makes more sense

Make sense, maybe i'll add it then..

Not to mention, he still never went all out.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

that means Skirk> Surtalogi cuz he is comparable to Neuvilette

 

[MSahla]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

Watch it buddy, Neuvillette endgame will destroy the universe.

 

[Giannysmag]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

and puts her at possibly 5-B….
I wanna end it all
“All stars burn to ash” (insert phainon finishing move)

 

[MSahla]

Please hoyo, give me more feats of Nibelung, or even better, make him Playable when he comeback

Sahlwrld/Nibelung

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Puppet43]

he should be strongest sinner

Rerir and Gold kinda clap his checks ngl

 

[Puppet43]

i mean our vsbw pages states Skirk> Neuvilette tho

Im changing that to
Neuvi = Og Sovereings Prime = Sinners >>>>> Moon Marrow Traveler = Skirk Post Quest

 

[Puppet43]

Please hoyo, give me more feats of Nibelung, or even better, make him Playable when he comeback

Sahlwrld/Nibelung

vsbattles.fandom.com

Shouldn't bro be 4C by creating a star?

 

[MSahla]

Shouldn't bro be 4C by creating a star?

Ah yeah youre right

 

[Puppet43]

Ah yeah youre right

Btw unc, if your gonna publish the profiles MAKE SURE TO ADD LINKS TO SAID STATMENTS

 

[MSahla]

Btw unc, if your gonna publish the profiles MAKE SURE TO ADD LINKS TO SAID STATMENTS

Of course, but i'll publish Nibelung's profile after nod-krai, we might get new feats for the god tier.

I might publish Surtalogi's profile after act 4 of Nod-Krai.

 

[MSahla]

I love how The Frostmoon Scions prayers to Dragon King Nibelung too, a Hero that become Evil Dragon.

"Forger of the earth's bones and the tripled moons"

Prayer Song VI: Takoja Ianikuinen, the Primeval Blacksmith
O great father of genesis, forger of the earth's bones and the tripled moons,
Let your wrath right that askew throne so that the beauty may submit.
On the first day, you forged a golden bow with lunar gleam, a weapon meant to strike down your foes.
Yet while you hunted, your bow was stolen, and now your enemy brandishes it as their own.
On the second day, you forged a great chariot, its moonlit glimmer meant to guard your home.
Yet while you hunted, your wain was purloined, and your enemy claimed it as their own.
On the third day, you forged a shuttle of moonlight, your heart set on the daughter of the stars.
Yet in your recklessness, you wandered into a fog-drenched swamp, and the forge of light was quenched.
You are the king spoken of yet unspeakable, O bloodthirsty, murderous blacksmith,
You are the master of misfortune, the lord of all evil, obsessed with the unjust deaths of the innocent and the ruinous fires of war.
O terrible and mighty Eternal Workman, lord of two natures,
So strong, hale, and heroic as the gods themselves. Even the stars look upon you in awe.
O indestructible Lord, please quiet this earth-shaking wrath.
Lift the torment that occupies my heart and cast out this pitch-black disaster.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Rerir and Gold kinda clap his checks ngl

You forgot your schizo pills bro

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Im changing that to
Neuvi = Og Sovereings Prime = Sinners >>>>> Moon Marrow Traveler = Skirk Post Quest

why is moon arrow equal to Skirk? lol...

Also why claim neuvi> Skirk when she doesnt consider that possibility herself?

 

[Puppet43]

You forgot your schizo pills bro

Nuh uh

why is moon arrow equal to Skirk? lol...

Because she seems not impressed by her current power even do she knows she grew up in power

Also why claim neuvi> Skirk when she doesnt consider that possibility herself?

Because fricking Neuvi, Sinners and Shades are equal, if they decided to fight 1v1 against character of the other teams it would just come out to who has most bursted abilities, and that would destroy the narrative of Skirk wanting to fight Surta but cant since she is weaker
Bassicly:

• Neuvi (and Prime Sovereings, except Nibelung) = Sinners
• Skirk wants to become stronger to defeat Surtalogi, a sinner
• Neuvi > Skirk

The only argument is that blud needed to hit its core, but remind you the narwhal litterally amped its durability with Primordial Sea Water and we don't know if Skirk could handle a durability amped narwhal (yeah its only a dura amp what made Neuvi struggle, the narwhal never increased its ap or anything)

 

[MSahla]

Notice how the Great War of Vengeance which is the war between Nibelung and the Heavenly Principles is equal to the Sky War, a war between the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades vs The Seven Dragon Sovereigns.

"The Funerary Year"
The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder. Our ancestors and their ancestral land fell into this place during that conflict.
The era of darkness had begun.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Because she seems not impressed by her current power even do she knows she grew up in power

dude what that doesn't prove anything

Because fricking Neuvi, Sinners and Shades are equal, if they decided to fight 1v1 against character of the other teams it would just come out to who has most bursted abilities, and that would destroy the narrative of Skirk wanting to fight Surta but cant since she is weaker
Bassicly:

• Neuvi (and Prime Sovereings, except Nibelung) = Sinners
• Skirk wants to become stronger to defeat Surtalogi, a sinner
• Neuvi > Skirk

But you also know that Surtalogi grew stronger than most sinners according to Skirk Character Story? Surtalogi as Transcendental sinner =/= Surtalogi as Cosmic Calamity.

And it also contradicts ''She was very strong. Few things could now pose a threat to her.'' statement. Can't have every character above her when it is stated only a few (should be less than 10 by definition) characters stronger than her.

 

[Puppet43]

Notice how the Great War of Vengeance which is the war between Nibelung and the Heavenly Principles is equal to the Sky War, a war between the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades vs The Seven Dragon Sovereigns.

Nibelung and the remaining Sovereings left equal the Prime Sovereings lmao

dude what that doesn't prove anything

It kinda does, it's in the annecdote

But you also know that Surtalogi grew stronger than most sinners according to Skirk Character Story? Surtalogi as Transcendental sinner =/= Surtalogi as Cosmic Calamity.

That is a english bad translation, in the CN skirk asks an hypothethical "if u were let's say a 1/6 to overthrown a planet why did you become stronger" so yeah no evidence of him being stronger rn than his description of Dain

''She was very strong. Few things could now pose a threat to her.'' statement.

Give context and evidence of that statment first

 

[MSahla]

I just need Esco and Columbina and my Skirk's team is complete.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Nibelung and the remaining Sovereings left equal the Prime Sovereings lmao

Nibelung is equal to the sovereign or stonger than them? he is their king and ruler not sure why you bring him up tho.

It kinda does, it's in the annecdote

It doesn't, I checked the anecdote myself. Nowhere she indicated she is weaker or equal to Traveler.

That is a english bad translation, in the CN skirk asks an hypothethical "if u were let's say a 1/6 to overthrown a planet why did you become stronger" so yeah no evidence of him being stronger rn than his description of Dain

Not even sure why you quote Skirk when Surtalogi within the same Character story confirms he grews stronger?
"Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in the rotten soil. Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer."

You know that Surtalogi and Skirk continually stated he became stronger? its in her story, in multiple character story of hers. Even her teapot statement said that Both skirk and Surtalogi have evolved. Narratively he grew stronger the moment he ;eft teyvat and traveled across universe, this is a timestamp after him becoming a sinner.

Give context and evidence of that statment first

literally the last paragraph of her character story 3.

 

[Furina003]

He would literally lose to a hungry Narwhal

Hungry narwhal is just a practice material for skirk and a surtalogi pet

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Hungry narwhal is just a practice material for skirk and a surtalogi pet

Surtalogi literally beat Narhwal with ease (i cant say the same for certain draconian characters)

 

[Furina003]

I am wondering, when Tarot cards will be officially added to game and genshin universe will be 94 billion ly wide and 14 billion years old will we scale shades to it? Considering Istaroth is the source of all that Time as she is called "Mother of 14 Billion Years"

all shades have the same age because the primordial one created them simultaneously, basically they are the ones who rule the universe, i found a text that the egg referred to in the book before sun and moon is an analogy for the universe

 

[Puppet43]

Nibelung is equal to the sovereign or stonger than them? he is their king and ruler not sure why you bring him up tho.

Because he wasnt present in the first fight against the heavens

It doesn't, I checked the anecdote myself. Nowhere she indicated she is weaker or equal to Traveler.

Never said she is weaker, i said equals and thats "At best" sittuation, Skirk not being impressed by Traveler's current powers means they are equals at best or Skirk is stronger (by a slighty margen since they both can hurt Skof)

Not even sure why you quote Skirk when Surtalogi within the same Character story confirms he grews stronger?

"Master, since you say that you and your group once divided up an abyssal power capable of overturning an entire world—let's say one-sixth of a world—why does your power now far surpass that of an entire world by so many times over?"

Again, hypotethical scenario
.
Last pharagraph of Skirk character story says

Sikork's limbs were finally completely replaced by an abyssal phantom body, never to feel pain again.
The pain receptors, long overloaded, had become utterly numb, no longer transmitting any signals of suffering.
Pain was a creature's instinctive defense mechanism. Sikok understood this was her body telling her:
She was already powerful enough now. It was unlikely she would face danger again.

She has no context of Teyvat, only about her world and the ones she visited with Surtalogi, so yeah unnaplicable to Teyvat stuff + a lot of characters get strong as we see game events take events, in the time that such statment is claimed neither Neuvi nor Ineffa had their full strength (And i think is most likely that is referring to the fact she would never face a tragedy like the one her kind faced)

(i cant say the same for certain draconian characters)

@Giannysmag this is why we should bring death penalty back

 

[MSahla]

So.. since Nibelung created the sun but we don't know how big is the sun, is it safe to assume that the sun he created is at least the same size as our sun irl? So that would be at least 136.066 Quettatons

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Never said she is weaker, i said equals and thats "At best" sittuation, Skirk not being impressed by Traveler's current powers means they are equals at best or Skirk is stronger (by a slighty margen since they both can hurt Skof)

you know this argument would backfire hard on you, cuz she also wasn't impressed by Neuvilette

Again, hypotethical scenario

Doesnt change the fact, even if she was speaking hypothetically. She’s referring to the strength that Surtalogi initially had in comparison with with Current Surtalogi lol. And the fact Surtalogi confirms her hypothesis as a fact.

@Giannysmag this is why we should bring death penalty back

 

[Furina003]

Ronova's statement in the original text, I think what Ronova means by "herself" here could refer to the Primordial One itself, as they are literally projections/shadows of Phanes itself.

“不要讲得好像是那么轻而易举的事”
“Don’t speak as if it’s something so easy to do.”

“我们是影子”
“We are shadows.”

“是天理自身的投射”
“It is the projection/shadow of Tianli itself.”

“要叛变的话…”
“If one wishes to rebel…”

“除非…”
“Unless…”

“她爱那位新的主人胜过爱自己…”
“She loves that new master more than she loves herself…”

According to the explanation in the book Before Sun and Moon

原初的那一位造出了自己发着光的影子。而影子的数量是四。
“The Primordial One created its own
radiant/shining shadow. And the number of shadows was four.”

 

[Puppet43]

you know this argument would backfire hard on you, cuz she also wasn't impressed by Neuvilette

This is why reading matters, in Fontaine arc she is impressed by the fact that we defeated the narwhal without using Abyssal energy, in Traveler case both made a GOD DAMN BOW TO HELP EACHOTHER DESTROY SURTALOGI, SO OFC SHE IS INTERESED IF TRAVELER GETS STRONGER

Doesnt change the fact, even if she was speaking hypothetically. She’s referring to the strength that Surtalogi initially had in comparison with with Current Surtalogi lol

So if i said

If Woomy or Gianny were a woman i would marry either of them

Does it mean i would marry them in this non hypothetically scenario? The fact that Skirk says "If, let's say" just debunks the entire argument

 

[Furina003]

Is this about Neuvillette and Skirk?
I'd vote for Skirk with a full vote , I wouldn't compare Neuvillette to Surtalogi, they're on different levels, Narwhal would be the basis for their power scaling.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

This is why reading matters, in Fontaine arc she is impressed by the fact that we defeated the narwhal without using Abyssal energy, in Traveler case both made a GOD DAMN BOW TO HELP EACHOTHER DESTROY SURTALOGI, SO OFC SHE IS INTERESED IF TRAVELER GETS STRONGER

So if i said

Does it mean i would marry them in this non hypothetically scenario? The fact that Skirk says "If, let's say" just debunks the entire argument

This is such a cope cuz surtalogi confirmed it as fact, narratively he is confirmed to be stronger than he was as a sinner and "let's say" doesn't necessarily mean hypotethical situation plus 就算 means “granted that”/“even if”

believe what ya want at this point.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Is this about Neuvillette and Skirk?
I'd vote for Skirk with a full vote , I wouldn't compare Neuvillette to Surtalogi, they're on different levels, Narwhal would be the basis for their power scaling.

Yeah it's abour Neuvilette and skirk. He trying to make skirk below Neuvilette so to make Surtalogi equal with Neuvilette which is narratively so incorrect and without substance.